Poll: Equality vs Freedom
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What we're looking for is the piece of paper that shows what USA aims for, which is the constitution of the USA. I believe at this point that any semblance of racism is now unconstitutional. "States" hating minorities is incredibly loaded, you can't account for ignorant fucks not following the rules, and you can't the same rule yourself to mitigate the other guy breaking the rules. Two categorical wrongs.. are still wrong to me.Worgen said:
The state has a looong way to go on how they run things, I think they are going the wrong way and pushing for greater intrusions, when all they need to do is enforce personal liberties, make sure contracts are held, do their duty in protecting country and its people from harm and direct persecution which enfringes on their rights as a person (Note that forcing private companies to hire on quotas is an enfringement). Obama's direction is to increase the presence of Govt in people's personal lives, which feels so bad to me. They're fucking forcing privately owned TV stations to normalise the volume of adverts (CALM act) - Whereas all it takes is for people to say "If you turn up the volume when your ad is up on TV, we pledge to not buy any of your shit" -
Anarchy isn't viable, and that's absolute freedom, Communism isn't viable either, which is Equality, but a minimal approach seems to be, most certainly so.
How much minimalism is required is different altogether, most minimalists don't want a public healthcare system, but I think it's equally important as the police and judicial system, which is the majority of what a minimalist wants the State to be.
Actually i've looked over the most famous "communistic" governments in history, and they have more in common with fascism. That being said i actuall would vote for freedom as well.Wierdguy said:
We cannot be truely free until we can look at our neighbors of another colour without hatred of any kind, and see them only as human and not of another ethnicity. That is Freedom, that is Equality, that is what humanity as a whole should strive for. To seek only one or the other is unwise, and when done so in the past has caused war on a massive scale, even with good intentions.
The only man who believed the same as I was Gandhi, and he had the British Empire scared using freedom, equality, and non-violence as his weapons (Though he did believe in violence, yet only if it had purpose and was not mindless. He did not fight against the british because he did not want to show that he was as mindless as his former masters).
I believe that answers your question OP. To be an extreme is possibly the worst thing you could do, even with good intentions.
The only man who believed the same as I was Gandhi, and he had the British Empire scared using freedom, equality, and non-violence as his weapons (Though he did believe in violence, yet only if it had purpose and was not mindless. He did not fight against the british because he did not want to show that he was as mindless as his former masters).
I believe that answers your question OP. To be an extreme is possibly the worst thing you could do, even with good intentions.
You know how there's a left wing and a right wing yeah?signingupforgames said:
Imagine it went full circuit, with people further on the left-thought being further along the left side and vice versa.
Communism and Fascism are extreme views from these wings, as extreme as they get
So think, they actually end up in the same place! Just, the route they took was different.
The beauty of middle winging is that you're not employing this, thus, you are immune to being reductio-ad-absurdum/Hitlerum/Stalinum < (BS latin btw) into the extreme. Neither fascism nor communism put value to freedom, thus, it's in the neutral middle, and 0 times a million is zero, so you'll never end at that danger place.
That's the model I've been shown plenty of times on how ideals work with wings
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ok, the calm act is to stop advertisements from blasting really loud which is a tactic they like since it once forces you to notice them and 2 can get you to hear them in the other room, funny how you place that all at obama's feet when it passed the senate unanimously, its almost like you forgot we have 3 branches of govtBaneat said:
also the constitution is an ideal, one that we are trying to live up to which is why we still have it, similar to how we still have affirmative action, if people didnt suck we wouldnt need either but people do suck so we need protections, just because its against the law doesnt mean it doesnt happen, thats why we have the judiciary, to keep an eye on things and prevent them from going badly, if we didnt need affirmative action anymore then we probably would have tossed it out when it was reviwed in 2000 something.
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you sound like my racist uncle, he thinks slavery was a myth and jim crow was in the movie the crow (ok that last one is probably fake but I wouldn't put it past him)Berethond said:
Communism didn't work because it quickly dissolved into Fascism - there has been no true Communist nations in historyWierdguy said:
Equality. I believe no one is worth any more, or any less, than anyone else - we all hold the same worth. With equality, we do not have to worry about the expectations forced upon us by those above us - we have the freedom to choose, thus, freedom. When people are not equal, true freedom is only ever offered to those who are 'worth more' - the rich, the powerful, the famous, etc. The freedom of those higher in the social hierarchy takes priority over the freedoms of the middle class or lower people, leading the higher-class people to exploit those below - disintegrating into an economic state of capitalism and a social state of fascism, and the freedom we fought for is dead.
I believe in freedom, but it can only be exercised in a state with true equality - when no one person is above another. When a person is above another, their freedoms become more important than the freedoms of those below, so the freedoms of the lower-class people are sacrificed. When all people are equal the freedoms are balanced - hence, we have true freedom and true equality.
Equality doesn't necessarily mean conformity - it's not as if we would all be forced to be the same; rather, we all have equal rights, equal worth, equal opportunities, and an equal place alongside our fellow man. We still have freedom to choose in our life; we still have our individuality - except in this ideal world, no one is worth more or less than any other person.
Wouldn't true equality imply that all men and women are equal? Doesn't this mean that this tyrant is equal to all men and women? Doesn't this mean the tyrant has no greater worth than any man or woman, and thus is no longer a tyrant?Ultratwinkie said:
how aboot a mix between the two? because communism and anarchy both sound pretty shitty right now.