Poll: EVE-Online, first actual serious trouble signs or business as usual ?

[Spartan448]

See, this is why I never post in the EVE forums.

If the problem is just in the forums, than the actual game should be unaffected.

There was no need to switch to a new type of forum, so that was really a stupid move.

But as long as the actual game is unaffected, people won't care all that much.

And my guess is that with a switch back to the old forum type, and the Incarna release this summer, everything will go back to normal.

At least this isn't as bad as that one time when a player was taking advantage of the fact that ISK (interstellar credits) and ISK (Islandic Krona) used the same abbreviation to convert game money into real money.

 

[Lunar Templar]

if i said i was surprised EvE was still around, would you hold it against me XD

If you tell me how to physically hold a surprise against you, I will

hehe, now i'm trying to picture it XD

if i said i was surprised EvE was still around, would you hold it against me XD

not at all but is has the most dedicated fanbase ever

well, good, i guess >.> i never heard anything about Eve that made me wanna play it, >.>

 

[Tibike77]

well, good, i guess >.> i never heard anything about Eve that made me wanna play it, >.>

I guess you must not be a psychopatic spreadsheet-loving corrupt corporate executive like the rest of us

 

[Lunar Templar]

well, good, i guess >.> i never heard anything about Eve that made me wanna play it, >.>

I guess you must not be a psychopatic spreadsheet-loving corrupt corporate executive like the rest of us

nope XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELLEkbl7Ohg
this works for me
(case the account name didn't give it away yeah, its me playing)

 

[Zakarath]

Hey, at least their fuckups aren't killing your PC's boot sector this time
(And if that didn't stop EVE, I doubt this will.)

Honestly, It's just the forums. I doubt the game will be affected by this in a measurable way.

 

[Catalyst6]

I really don't understand what you're trying to do by posting here, Tib.

If you feel like EVE is going to shit, then stop playing it. Remove your subscription from their accounts. In other words, protest with your wallet.

Or is it that you still like the game that CCP has made? Perhaps you're ignoring 99% of the game, the parts that you love, and instead latch on to the 1% that is a bit flawed?

EVE isn't dying, not at all. It might not be as big as some of the other MMOs, but it's certainly not circling the drain.

 

[Tibike77]

Or is it that you still like the game that CCP has made? Perhaps you're ignoring 99% of the game, the parts that you love, and instead latch on to the 1% that is a bit flawed?

More like 60%:40% than 99%:1% now, after it has been as high as 90%:10% in the past... and now getting even lower.

 

[Sidrat]

It's the usual CCP at work. I think for the last 18 months or so they've had their sights set on their plans and no matter what they're not going to change. Integrating the forums so people has to use EveGate either means less forum posts or people sucking it up and getting on with it.

Then there's the single minded devotion and focus on Incarna which of course is necessary to bring about the greatest total Sci-fi experience to a shared world but it appears it's at the expense of "excellence".

Sometimes I think it would be easier to create Eve 2.0 and start from scratch knowing what they know today and including all they're working on and have done with it.

 

[Tibike77]

It's the usual CCP at work. [...]

I wouldn't say "the usual", more like, "the usual in the past 2-3 years".
They used to do things differently before they took a big capital infusion when they expanded their share volume.
I would suspect the money people are putting serious pressure on them to make cash fast, and it shows, quantity became more important than quality.

 

[Tacitus]

This still doesn't take the cake.

I think it was the revelations patch, right after it went live --

The installer deleted the c:/boot.ini from your machine.
Not the boot.ini within the EVE folder, deleted straight from the root of c:\

And this did not get caught by in house testing.
It was caught after the initial wave of people installing the expansion. Oh damn.


After rebooting your machine, it would not recognize your installed OS. Few lawsuits, eventually CCP covered claims (or at least from what I heard) of people who legititmately had their computers broken by the patch, and paid a third party to repair their hard disc.

Not surprised at all that this happened. EVE is a great game, don't get me wrong -- just some of CCP's doings are a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[Ranorak]

This still doesn't take the cake.

I think it was the revelations patch, right after it went live --

The installer deleted the c:/boot.ini from your machine.
Not the boot.ini within the EVE folder, deleted straight from the root of c:\

And this did not get caught by in house testing.
It was caught after the initial wave of people installing the expansion. Oh damn.


After rebooting your machine, it would not recognize your installed OS. Few lawsuits, eventually CCP covered claims (or at least from what I heard) of people who legititmately had their computers broken by the patch, and paid a third party to repair their hard disc.

Not surprised at all that this happened. EVE is a great game, don't get me wrong -- just some of CCP's doings are a bit tongue in cheek.

Same here, lucky I could still boot, and had a friend who created a new boot.ini file for me.

 

[Tibike77]

This still doesn't take the cake.
The installer deleted the c:/boot.ini from your machine.
And this did not get caught by in house testing.

Yeah, and back then, they apologized profusely and "promised" they'll take all possible measure something like that could never ever happen again...

While not quite as bad, this failure to properly test was quite typical, not only had nothing changed for the better, but it got potentially worse. This is not the only "blindingly obvious lack of QA" incident they had since then either, merely the latest.

Oh, and I hear they lost a lot of their QA staff over some labor disputes (paperwork, salary, don't recall the exact details), and now they're exclusively hiring TEMPS to do a lot of the QA. Seriously, temps ?

 

[Keava]

And even despite that they still have the only 'different' MMO on the market, which means, unless someone manages to do better, EVE won't die due to such things.

If you look at the market currently only big titles in production are same old post-EQ variations, while the few niche productions are being released in such bad state they can't manage to keep their player base for even 1 month (Earthrise).

EVE on the other hand is slowly (very slowly) but expanding. Last update brought revamp to character creator showing off what CCP was working on for last years deep in their basements

Spoiler

Summer is supposed to bring first actual implementation of said avatar interaction in form of very limited Captian's Quarters.

Yes, Incarna has been promised for ages now, but at this point they actually managed to build a framework for it. If you think that's a 5 minutes job then you have no idea about how complex it i's to implement such features to a game that went live 8 years ago.

Im not playing EVE now, but CCP is a company i'm looking closely at because they at least try to do something more than just repeat the old scheme. Every company makes mistakes, sure they lately had a streak of really bad ones, but they also are actually only lately transforming for a rather small studio into a big player on the market.

 

[Tibike77]

CCP is a company i'm looking closely at because they at least try to do something more than just repeat the old scheme. Every company makes mistakes, sure they lately had a streak of really bad ones, but they also are actually only lately transforming for a rather small studio into a big player on the market.

I suppose you do have a good point, they have indeed grown from a mostly one-trick pony to a powerhouse with 3 heavy-duty games on the line, and they're still the developers of the first MMO that seriously broke some molds (heck, Perpetuum Online is basically copypasta-ing their early years, not yet very successfully though).
Still, the streak of "bad mistakes" didn't start yesterday, and confidence levels that it won't continue is not very high.

 

[Custard_Angel]

Wow... Just fucking wow...

I hope the programmers responsible for this will get fired... It's just lazy, incompetent and outright dangerous.

72,000 man hours yielded an insecure, ripped off website. Jesus...

 

[Tibike77]

Well, they probably meant 72k manhours on the entire web frontend, but still... damn.