Poll: Favourite Total War game.`
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Well, the only three I have played are both Medieval games and Rome, so my opinion might not be completely enlightened. Out of those, Rome is by far my favourite. The historical period is more interesting to me and the gameplay itself is far superior to that terrible, god-forsaken crap that was Medieval II (the first game was alright though, if a little dated). The modding for Rome is also excellent. Currently playing the Rise of Persia mod and having a blast.
This is exactly why I didn't use the stainless steel mod despite it being really expansive and attentive to details. I ran tests in custom battles a basic light cavalry unit (Tier 2) could beat a unit of knights (barely available at Tier 3) simply because the charge values are so high. Even fighting units that it clearly says "bonus versus cavalry" they could mow down half a unit and break them with just a charge.WouldYouKindly said:
On topic though, I'd vote for Rome (even though I find it so slow paced now) followed by Medieval 2. Everything really took steps back from Empire onward with units really being generalised across all factions and a lot of mechanics that I just can't stand. Prime example of this is the trade blockading, factions can just cut off like half your income by parking a boat miles away from your territories since trade routes get forced through the same areas.
Ladders, I send feudal knights against a wooden wall on ladders defended by spear militia. The militia won. Sorry but that's a step too far for meBloatedGuppy said:
Steam rolling, Sorry but I have never accomplished it when I send hundreds of troops at a single target they push at first but then space out and wait for their turn rather that pushing up and it being 4 against one in close
Pace, Realism is a good thing but there is a point where there is too much of it and it gets really boring really quickly.
Archers, Even the late archers had shockingly poor accuracy compared to any other total war game. Even late game you are lucky to hit one man in ten.
Cavalry, I'll give you that then
Pope, I just hate the pope there are no two ways around this, for example the french fucking invaded me so I retaliated and when I was one city from finishing them off he called me off, next turn the french attack and took a city back and he told me to stop again before I could even get the city back, so no under no circumstances will I agree the pope is good.
Were the militia well armored? Did the defenders have a high level general, and your attackers did not? Were your attackers subjected to withering arrow fire during the approach, lowering their morale? How thick were the defenders? Was it a single unit of 60 dismounted knights against 300 spears?Subscriptism said:
1 for 1, Knights will destroy spears on a wall, even coming up a ladder, unless their morale is already shot by the time they get there. Ladders alone are insufficient against a heavily defended/entrenched position. You need towers and/or a breach.
That's just an AI quirk. And I agree it's annoying. You can actually force a more high impact battle with your infantry by charging through/into the enemy instead of just clicking on them.Subscriptism said:
We have different experiences there, then. Higher level and/or experienced archers can be absolutely deadly, especially against the lightly armored rabble they're meant to be effective against.Subscriptism said:
In that situation France would eventually be excommunicated. At which point you could petition for a crusade against them, if you'd been a good Catholic. Frankly the frequency with which Western and Central European factions annoy the Pope and get excommunicated is a bit silly. You can very easily wage war practically from the beginning of the game without ever violating a papal decree if you just pick on excommunicated factions. The HRE in particular gets excommunicated like clockwork.Subscriptism said:
The Original Shogun. I may have only been 10 and not very good at it, but that was one of the games that really got me into strategy. Then getting a LAN cable and playing with my dad... Good times.
I really can't decide on Rome or Shogun 1 (I haven't played 2 yet as I need a new GFX card to enjoy it properly)
I think Japan is a more interesting place for the over world map and the fact it's small makes the games shorter.
Rome however is more interesting in the RTS section, commanding a Roman or Greek army never gets old.
I think Japan is a more interesting place for the over world map and the fact it's small makes the games shorter.
Rome however is more interesting in the RTS section, commanding a Roman or Greek army never gets old.
My vote goes to Medieval II. I've really been playing the shit out of that - I like the setting, I like the factions and I like the game as a whole. Denmark, the Byzantines and Scotland for the win!
I do have to admit, I do love Rome as well though. I mean, it's an awesome era, but I guess I'm just not quite as in love with it as much as I am with Medieval II. It's a fine line though.
I do have to admit, I do love Rome as well though. I mean, it's an awesome era, but I guess I'm just not quite as in love with it as much as I am with Medieval II. It's a fine line though.
Rome for me, but the first Medieval as well I have a soft spot for (Viking Invasion was a cool expansion, and it let me pilot the rise of Aragon, because world domination is twice as amusing when your foot-soldiers are fabulously Pink), which is a pity because I've not been able to play the damn thing in years for whatever reason. Rome has its irritating moments (Specially as I always like to play as the Greeks, although playing as anyone with Romans starting nearby was a big problem as the legions were definitely OP, even before-Marius) Medieval 2 was cool, especially once you get fed up of listening to the Pope and you can picture the guy just getting wound up as you do the logical thing and Invade France, but Rome gets it as its my favourite period in history.
on the base game rome total war
shogun 2 has the best installment of darthmod tho and i find darthmod shogun more fun than darthmod rome
shogun 2 has the best installment of darthmod tho and i find darthmod shogun more fun than darthmod rome
It was a tough choice between Medieval 2 and Empire. Empire loses only because of its less diverse gameplay in terms of units and tactics. Almost every force depends on walls of line infantry, which inevitably encourages the same approach to every battle - that gets tiresome, especially as the pace is much much slower than Medieval 2. I appreciated every other aspect of Empire over Medieval 2, including diplomacy, trade routes, naval warfare, towns and research.
In my experience, it was Milan that was always, always in trouble. Probably for similar reasons as HRE (both are close to the Vatican, so the pope will always come hard on them whenever they pick on one of the Pope's other neighbours (Sicily, Venice etc.)BloatedGuppy said:
The pope is a bugger though; Always getting in the way of my sieges with cease and desist orders.
Artillery as defensive weapons are goddamn murderous. I always keep a catapult or ballista or two in every town, just for defense. Just park them in the main street, facing straight towards your own gates. As soon as the enemy break it down, you can kill literally scores of enemies with each flaming missile, as they clusterfuck their way through the gates.Fat_Hippo said:
Good... Scipio Junior is looking for a city to clobber! XDBlazeRaider said:
Don't forget Greeks... depending on source, Hannibal used Macedonian mercenaries as well. And the heavy Celtic cavalry as well... -_-BlazeRaider said:
Anyway, that throws up a bit of a debate regarding the relative strengths and weaknesses of different military systems. Rome had a citizen army with a common language and a common goal (at first, that is, to defend Latium), while there was a very large number of questions regarding the organisation of the typical Carthaginian army which was multi-lingual and multi-cultural. There is a reason why Hamilcar and Hannibal succeeded to a far greater degree than most other Punic commanders, insomuch that while they were indeed good at their jobs, others were not. It takes a great deal of skill, charisma and Machiavellianism to hold such an army together because it'll fall apart at the slightest display of either weakness or frailty. If Hannibal was any less of a personality, the Second Punic War would never have started, or failed before he even left Iberia. Still, props to the man for taking it as far as he did (and I say this is as an unashamed pro-Africanus partisan).
Good grief how?! N:TW was a piece of cake... no thanks to the restrictive building variety. Everything was pretty much: spend money to upgrade, and that was it. Still, Napoleon is awesome just for the naval battles. The land battles... uh... outflank & curbstomp. The strategy side is a little too much on the easy side, even VH-VH, but I still enjoyed it. Went to mid-game with the Prussians god only knows how many times. Collecting my corps commanders was so much *glee* ^_^ Thing is, though, because I know about the period, I play it more for the 'story' (what little of it there is), than the gameplay... *shrug*adam352 said:
Other than that... R:TW for the mods. These days, I start up a game, complete a short campaign then go through a library of mods and pick one. Then I'll be incommunicado for about a week.
Gotta be Medieval 2.
It was an interesting period in history, with a great aesthetic and some fun mechanics and factions. I liked how units became hard to control once they were ordered into battle, unlike Rome where they were obedient robots.
Funny enough, I think the one thing that really puts it a tier above Rome is the Religion/Culture system, including Mr. Pope and his army of bullshit 10 piety Inquisitors.
I LOVED manipulating the Church by bumping off Cardinals and getting my own man to the top of the food chain. Weakening your enemies with religious strife and confusion was boss.
I wish the Islamic and Orthodox religious system had been a little more developed like the Catholic one.
It lost the way with Empire sadly. The game was rushed and it felt over-world map was just way to "busy" and not much fun to play on.
Still enjoyed it, but it just didn't grip me like the others. I still play those at least once every year.
Only played a bit of Shogun 2 because my toaster can't run it. Seems fun, looks wonderful. I really don't like how they've murdered mod support in order to help boost DLC sales.
And speaking of that, I hate how they're just cutting content and selling it as bloody DLC now. Rome 2 has no chance if they keep this up.
It was an interesting period in history, with a great aesthetic and some fun mechanics and factions. I liked how units became hard to control once they were ordered into battle, unlike Rome where they were obedient robots.
Funny enough, I think the one thing that really puts it a tier above Rome is the Religion/Culture system, including Mr. Pope and his army of bullshit 10 piety Inquisitors.
I LOVED manipulating the Church by bumping off Cardinals and getting my own man to the top of the food chain. Weakening your enemies with religious strife and confusion was boss.
I wish the Islamic and Orthodox religious system had been a little more developed like the Catholic one.
It lost the way with Empire sadly. The game was rushed and it felt over-world map was just way to "busy" and not much fun to play on.
Still enjoyed it, but it just didn't grip me like the others. I still play those at least once every year.
Only played a bit of Shogun 2 because my toaster can't run it. Seems fun, looks wonderful. I really don't like how they've murdered mod support in order to help boost DLC sales.
And speaking of that, I hate how they're just cutting content and selling it as bloody DLC now. Rome 2 has no chance if they keep this up.
Definitely Rome. It was fantastic. Spent hundreds of hours playing it and actually bought the game three times because the first two times my brother broke the disc. Currently in the middle of a Germania campaign where the Julii just betrayed and invaded. Lost one city and am on the verge of taking it back before pushing South.
After that I would have to say Medieval II. Only problem I have with it is that I wish that the Vikings were available as a Pagan culture. Still, kind of got bored with MII until I found a fantastic mod for the Britannia Kingdoms campaign called "Rule Britannia." I played that one a ton.
Never really got into the later games. Played the America intro and then tried to do an India campaign only to get about 10 turns away from victory before the game crashes every time. I have won the campaign. All that I need to do is wait the turns out and I win and it always crashes. Pisses me off so much. Played the intro for Napoleon and turned it off. Can't remember why.
As for Shogun II, I would have loved to play it. I have the game and almost all the DLC downloaded from Steam. Only problem is that my laptop is not nearly good enough to run it well. Which makes me terrified for Rome II, because I want to play it so badly but there is absolutely no way that my laptop will be able to run it.
After that I would have to say Medieval II. Only problem I have with it is that I wish that the Vikings were available as a Pagan culture. Still, kind of got bored with MII until I found a fantastic mod for the Britannia Kingdoms campaign called "Rule Britannia." I played that one a ton.
Never really got into the later games. Played the America intro and then tried to do an India campaign only to get about 10 turns away from victory before the game crashes every time. I have won the campaign. All that I need to do is wait the turns out and I win and it always crashes. Pisses me off so much. Played the intro for Napoleon and turned it off. Can't remember why.
As for Shogun II, I would have loved to play it. I have the game and almost all the DLC downloaded from Steam. Only problem is that my laptop is not nearly good enough to run it well. Which makes me terrified for Rome II, because I want to play it so badly but there is absolutely no way that my laptop will be able to run it.