Poll: Federation or Galactic Empire?

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I don't know. It really depends on what you use as a method of communication and how fast inter-planetary travel is.

If the real world is anything to go by, governments are only as effective as those two elements allow. If communication and travel time are relatively slow, then a local autonomous system would be better functioning. If they are both relatively quick, a more centralized system can function.

If I had to go with personal preferences, I'd go with the Star Trek Federation. But even then, that's more cultural preference since I rather like the idea of a society that encourages its members to strive for excellence, regardless of the field the individual seeks to pursue.
 

Nickolai77

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Given the distances of a galatic polity and the differences that are inevitably going to emerge as humans settle on different planets a federal system is the obvious choice.... Unless I get to emperor of a galatic empire that is!
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
Let's play a hypothetical game here guys:

Suppose the private sector really advances quickly (let's say 2 1/2 years) and not only manages to fly ships back and forth from the earth to the moon/mars but also manages to find a way to quickly colonize and create permanent stable cities. Now suppose someone asks you to create a government of sorts for these new colonies. What do you go with, a Federation or Galactic Empire? (as if i really have to explain where these are from)
Well, there really isn't a practical difference here at the stage your talking about. "The Federation" is what it is because it's an alliance between different races which had long standing histories and pre-existing governments to begin with. What your describing is pretty much a period of colonization taking place once a rapid period of time, nothing has existed long enough to really develop it's own government and culture and the colonies are probably going to be very closely tied to earth and it's tech base.

I'd probably set up something closer to your "empire" suggestion because that would make something akin to the federation practical later. The issue of colonial independence isn't likely to come up until a LONG time down the road if you start seeing some of those settlements individually becoming as central and capable of earth and running into dispute with the central government. What's more trying to get anything done with dozens or hundreds of micro colonies all entirely self governing is going to be impossible, making any kind of "federation" type alliance with any other races I meet being difficult if relations ever became that friendly... I mean if nobody can actually speak for the unified humanity, then humanity can't really enter into alliances. What's more if we're not coordinated we're all going to probably wind up being conquered or weeded out due to various disasters anyway.

That said I'm not too keen on the idea of "Emperors", and a single hereditary leader with absolute authority. That kind of system DOES solve a lot of problems simply by having one particular guy everyone knows is in charge, and a clear order of succession within the government (which counts for a lot more than people give it credit for), but it comes with a lot of problems by also giving enemies a clear target to decapitate the government, and of course there is no guarantee that even the most well groomed family line is going to be able to consistently provide quality leadership.

Given that no system is perfect and all of them could go wildly wrong, I'd probably try and establish a government based on American principles, but not the exact American government (Representitive Republic) as it stands now. I'd probably want to establish leadership by a series of elected councils, with high standards being present to hold positions within the government. Before even allowing someone to be considered for a position of substantial government power I'd require so much time present in public service either in the police, military, or intelligence communities, and probably also require at least one scientific degree. I'd pretty much put the different aspects of the government under different councils in order to achieve something similar to the US's systems of checks and balances. I would also probably have the military operating far more under it's own aegis, with provisions for leadership to fall under the highest ranking military personell under a time of crisis or warfare. Whether this leads to something like "Star Fleet" or an inevitable military coup is one for the history books, but at the end of the day as nice as councils are for leadership during peacetime, when the chips are down you need someone capable of making large scale decisions rapidly and without interference from politics.... balancing regular and crisis management is always the hardest part of government and ultimately seems to lead to the downfall of those civilizations that do fall.

That said all my comments about the need to unify humanity in other threads aside, I feel no real pressing urge to try and pursue an era of space travel from the position of a conqueror. Ideally I'd hope any dealings with other species and civilizations would lead to something as relatively idealistic as Trek's "Federation". As entertaining as stories about things like the "Warhammer 40k Imperium" are, no sane person would likely want to intentionally build something like that, never mind live in it, especially when you consider the odds of you ever being anything "cool" at the top of the pile are minimal compared to say being some piece of human reactor shielding that gets to die a slow death slaving in the bowels of a hive city.... no thanks.
 

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Other than being a Fanboy who can't answer objectively, who really picks Empire? Who wants to live in such an oppressive and racist civilization?
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Yeah I'd probably go with the Federation. History has shown that Empires aren't sustainable.
Hey?

Yeah, long term Empires don't last, but then nothing does. Empires historically have made a fair few centuries.
 

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BoogieManFL said:
Other than being a Fanboy who can't answer objectively, who really picks Empire? Who wants to live in such an oppressive and racist civilization?
My Empire won't be oppressive and racist. : <

Well, possibly against space goblins, but I'll put the effort in to make it relatively nice.
 

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BoogieManFL said:
Other than being a Fanboy who can't answer objectively, who really picks Empire? Who wants to live in such an oppressive and racist civilization?
Why would it be oppressive and racist?!?

I'm thinking the Roman Empire where "oppression" was usually followed by sanitation, protection, good infrastructure and orgies.

Sounds like a win-win to me.
 

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thaluikhain said:
canadamus_prime said:
Yeah I'd probably go with the Federation. History has shown that Empires aren't sustainable.
Hey?

Yeah, long term Empires don't last, but then nothing does. Empires historically have made a fair few centuries.
True. However usually after all the conquering and expansion is done and there are no more external enemies that's when the Empire begins to stagnate and the collapse in on itself.
 

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Therumancer said:
Now THAT is some impressive detail! My personal choice would be for an empire of course because living in america my entire life and seeing "presidents" as leaders, i don't know something about it doesn't say "leader". I think a leader should not only look the part, but act the part, BE the part, be both respected AND feared. We'll use a bear for example. You know it's a bear cause it looks the part, acts the part, and you certainly wouldn't piss one off.
 

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Empire.

Eh, it's my damn Empire. If I want to run it so it operates very much akin to a Federation, but I still can do what I deem is the best.
 

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Hail emperor Palpatine and the galactic empire. Yes I actually am an imperial who will gun down any of you possible rebels if you so much as hint at fighting Lord Vader or the emperor.

captcha: hit the hay.

Really captcha how do I know you aren't a rebel spy hmmm?


OT I would say that the federation would probably work better but I am one of those people who loves the idea of being part of an empire.
 

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skywolfblue said:
A moneyless communist state, rather ruthlessly enforced by a federation "exploration" warship showing up at your door if anything is out of line. Where everyone wears the same style of jumpsuit and behave more like drones then individuals. And a Prime Directive that says "fuck the helpless, we don't want to stain our fingers".
You've been watching Cracker: After Hours, I take it?
 

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I'd do a confederation, simply because I'm a total governmental hipster.

No, really. As long as the central government has the power to declare war and collect taxes, that's good enough for me. That way, people from different planets with radically different cultures wouldn't have to be too bonded to each other, but could still rely on others for protection.
It seems that the last thing you'd want would be an empire, considering what tore apart the Ottomans and Austrians was ethnic competition, which is sure to amplified in the isolated worlds of outer space.
 

Barbas

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The Federation of Planets sounds like a better deal for more people, which in turn means more cooperation between diverse parties toward a universal greater good, rather than dissatisfaction gradually boiling over into rebellion and war.