Poll: Flood (Halo), Replicators (Stargate), or the Borg (Star Trek)?

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I'm not sure whether to put this in Gaming Discussion or Off-Topic Discussion as it's half of each. If a mod feels this thread is misplaced, they should move it.

Who do you like more, the Flood or the Replicators?

For those that have no idea what I'm talking about:

The Flood

The Flood are a parasitic race whose only goal is to assimilate all biomass in the known verse. They operate as a hive mind, controlled by a network of telepathically linked, massive, hyper-intelligent conglomerates of different Flood organisms called Graveminds. Basically, once there are enough Flood in a region, a number of them form together into this one massive Gravemind that coordinates all their efforts so that they may be more effective. These Graveminds are bestowed with the knowledge of all Graveminds and all flood that existed before them and their intelligence is second to none, literally, in the entire galaxy. If measured, their IQ's would exceed 400.

Without other species' biomass, the Flood can only grow so much and can only create a few organisms, referred to as "pure" forms, as they consist purely of repurposed biomass instead of being infected hosts. There are only 4 confirmed pure forms, there are another 3 featured in "The Art of Halo 3," but they are only briefly mentioned and were left out of the game itself. The 4 pure forms are:

Stalker forms are fast, agile, and powerful, but not very resistant to attack. Stalker Forms can also climb on walls and ceilings, although their size makes them fairly easy to hit even when they're trying to evade fire.

Stalker forms can mutate into:
Tank forms are named quite accurately, as they are nearly invulnerable to all forms of attack. The only attacks that seem to work are energy based weapons. It would take upwards of 6 clips from a standard assault rifle firing 7.62x51 or 5.56x45 rounds just to bring one down. Also, all of the rounds must hit the somewhat vulnerable face or stomach to do any damage at all, as all other parts of the body are protected by very thick calcium armor.

Stalker forms can also mutate into:
Ranged forms are also aptly named, as they are the only Flood forms capable of long ranged attacks without some sort of weapon. They fire organic crystaline needles that they grow very rapidly in a launcher of sorts. The needles shatter and fly apart once they have hit their target. This is especially harmful to organisms, as the many tiny shards of the needle can shred the internal organs. The Ranged Forms can hit any target with a few hundred yards as they can fire all their needles at once, one needle usually hits a far away target. Ranged Forms cannot move, but they can mutate back into Stalker Forms at will. The Stalker Forms can mutate into Ranged Forms while on walls and ceilings, making them perfect for cutting off choke points like small hallways and corridors.

Infection forms do exactly what you probably think they would. They infect hosts. They are extremely agile (even more so than head crabs) and they can crawl on walls and ceilings as well. They can jump as high as 20 feet. Infection forms infect hosts by attaching themselves to the head, inserting a few needles into the host body, and using them to inject neurotoxins into the hosts' body that paralyze the host. The infection form then inserts a number of tentacles into the hosts neck and cuts the brain off from the rest of the body. From that point on, the infection form IS the host's body's brain. Then it injects a number of mutagens into the hosts bloodstream, and, by controlling which chemicals it injects and when, it can directly control the mutations the host body undergoes. The only mutation that always happens is the host body's head is bushed back or removed entirely to make room for the Infection Form and its own sensory organs (the red tentacles). Also, infection forms can reanimate dead corpses, even if their bodies have started to decay.

While the look of combat forms varies based on the host's species, the basic concept remains the same. Combat Forms are infected hosts designed to use whatever weapon they had in their hands at the time. The infection form locks the hands closed while it infects the host so that flesh may grow around the weapon and it may become a part of the host itself. Combat forms, while not able to withstand as much attack as pure forms, are still very deadly due to their sheer numbers and their ability to use the weapon the host was using.

Carrier forms, as you can see from the image, are Flood forms used to incubate, transport, and release Infection Forms. They are basically suicide bombers. Once the Infection Forms inside are mature enough, the Carrier Forms head to the enemy and burst open once in proximity, sending Infection Forms flying through the air.

The flood juggernaut is the largest and most powerful Flood form on this list (there is one Flood form featured in Halo Wars called the Flood Thrasher Form, which is bigger and more powerful than the juggernaut, but there aren't any pics of any of the new Flood forms in Halo Wars, nor are there enough details on them to warrant being included in the list. I'm not even sure they're canon). The Flood Juggernaut was excluded from the final version of Halo 2, but was left on the disc itself. Might have been either careless or intention on Bungie's part, but whatever the reason, it's there and it's real. While it has not been confirmed, Flood Juggernauts appear to be pure forms. They are extremely tall, probably 12-16 feet, given that the Master Chief is 7 feet tall and Flood forms can vary in size. The Juggernaut has two long and powerful tentacles with what appear to be pincers that form very sharp weapons when closed, possibly hard enough to pierce through a tank's armor.

The last, and in my opinion, most dangerous Flood "form" is also the smallest. The spore.
Flood Spores can suffocate and infect other organisms, as well as create flood hives. Now, I don't mean they can mutate an organism and control it like an infection form, I mean it can kill the organism and mutate it into a Flood Gestation (also called growth pod, but I prefer the more accurate term) Pod. And if a spore lands in a suitable area, it will start to grow and it will create a flood hive. Essentially, all the flood need to create an entire massive hive is for one spore to get lucky.

An in-depth taxonomic analysis of The Flood [http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/jman571_flood_taxonomy/]Ignore his two theories as to the purpose of the Flood. They have been shown to be incorrect. The Flood were around long before the Forerunners and, in fact, had destroyed another, even more race that came before the Forerunners. When they discovered the Forerunners, they declared war on the "inferior" species. With the help of the Forerunner AI construct Mendicant Bias, who was in control of the Forerunner shield worlds (the hidden worlds designed to shield the Forerunners from the Halos when they were activated). He closed the portals to the shield worlds (two have been confirmed, Onyx and the shield world that is destroyed in Halo Wars), thus preventing the Forerunners from being able to escape once the Halos were activated. Without the help of Mendicant Bias, the Gravemind and the Flood would have been destroyed when the Halo system fired.

The Replicators

The Replicators are a race of extremely advanced machines that was first created by the ancients. The standard replicators are composed of a series of blocks held together and manipulated by the magnetic fields that each block can produce.

They can also form large "queens" that produce more blocks. They can also form intricate machines and they can take over existing technology using nanites. Replicators can also take control of people, as shown in these pictures:


The other form of replicators are the nanite colonies. Advanced forms of the original nanites that can look like and act like any human being. They're like the liquid terminators, except they can read the mind of whoever's form they take without having to kill the person. This lets them act just like real humans. They can inherit memories and even have feelings, although they're easy to differentiate from humans as metal detectors and advanced imaging devices like x-rays and MRI's can spot them easily.

The Replicators became such a threat in Stargate that Stargate SG-1 and the Asgard had to align themselves with Ba'al, their biggest enemy, in order to unlock a weapon capable of destroying them once and for all.

EDIT: For clarification: The Flood wiped out the Precursors and the Forerunners that came after them. The Flood was such a great threat that the Forerunners had to design a network of 7 massive, planet sized rings called Halos. These superweapons are designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. Since the flood is a fungi and can reproduce asexually through spores, there is no way to eliminate it completely. The only way to destroy the Flood is to starve it to death by killing off its food. The Forerunners had constructed a number of "shield worlds" that were only accessible through special portals at the "Ark." The Forerunner AI, Mendicant Bias, who was in charge of the Shield Worlds, betrayed the Forerunners for the Flood. He was convinced by the Gravemind that the Forerunners were selfish and inferior and that they halted progress, they halted the evolution of the Flood, the ultimate species. Mendicant Bias closed the portals and prevented the Forerunners from escaping. They died when the Halos fired and their entire civilization was destroyed. All that remained was their technology. The Replicators, on the other hand, had almost taken control of a galaxy populated by races not nearly as advanced as the Forerunners.

The Borg
EVERYONE should know who they are. If you don't, just watch Star Trek: The Next Generation and enjoy.
 

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First off to clarify, the original replicators, the first ones to ever exist were made by the Alterans (Ancients) as a means to fight the Wraith....which went horribly wrong. Although you are right about the first replicators to exist in the milky way.

Anywho I voted replicators as they are a near unstoppable technology that can only be beaten by conventional means, well only for the simple "bugs". The Nanite ones are pretty much invincible and their weakness is pretty much the reverse of their less advanced counterparts.

The were so dangerous that they had the power to wipe out the Asgard who are comparable to the Ancients even the Forerunners. The flood would lose by all accounts in any fight with the replicators and the replicators have one HUGE advantage the flood dont. The flood need sufficient biomatter to keep their numbers up and to survive. The Replicators evolved to a point where they simple need matter in general to exist, they converted a whole planet into one giant replicator. They are pretty much only as weak as the materials they are comprised of and their ability to reassemble themselves is another advantage to flood dont have. Their ability to manipulate technology gives them more versatility as well. They dont need to build ships themselves sometimes, they can just take one by simply hacking it.

The flood are dangerous by all means but I just see replicators as far more powerful by all means, especially if we are talking about who would win in a battle.
 

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-Seraph- said:
First off to clarify, the original replicators, the first ones to ever exist were made by the Alterans (Ancients) as a means to fight the Wraith....which went horribly wrong. Although you are right about the first replicators to exist in the milky way.

Anywho I voted replicators as they are a near unstoppable technology that can only be beaten by conventional means, well only for the simple "bugs". The Nanite ones are pretty much invincible and their weakness is pretty much the reverse of their less advanced counterparts.

The were so dangerous that they had the power to wipe out the Asgard who are comparable to the Ancients even the Forerunners. The flood would lose by all accounts in any fight with the replicators and the replicators have one HUGE advantage the flood dont. The flood need sufficient biomatter to keep their numbers up and to survive. The Replicators evolved to a point where they simple need matter in general to exist, they converted a whole planet into one giant replicator. They are pretty much only as weak as the materials they are comprised of and their ability to reassemble themselves is another advantage to flood dont have. Their ability to manipulate technology gives them more versatility as well. They dont need to build ships themselves sometimes, they can just take one by simply hacking it.

The flood are dangerous by all means but I just see replicators as far more powerful by all means, especially if we are talking about who would win in a battle.
Well, this isn't a "who would win." This is a "who would win against Humans, Asgard, Ancients, Goa'uld, and Wraith." And I think that would go to the Flood since none of the civilizations in Halo can beat them and the civilizations in Stargate have weapons to demolecularize and kick the asses of replicators, but not the flood. They wouldn't be able to just send a wave through every Stargate and demolecularize the Flood because they'd kill all live in the Galaxy as well. So yea, while the replicators would beat the flood in a battle since the replicators are metal and they just need matter of any kind whereas the flood need organic biomass, the Flood would win against the Stargate universe.

And oh, I didn't know the Replicators were made by the Ancients to defeat the Wraith. I guess I forgot that bit. Hm, then what happened to Pelop's nanites? Did they evolve or were they just forgotten about after the first season?
 

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Eipok Kruden said:
And oh, I didn't know the Replicators were made by the Ancients to defeat the Wraith. I guess I forgot that bit. Hm, then what happened to Pelop's nanites? Did they evolve or were they just forgotten about after the first season?
Wait pelops!? oops that slipped my mind, he DID NOT create the milky way replicators. Those nanites are a completely different thing compared to replicators. Replicators were actually created by an android named Reese that was created by a race of humans. She created them as "toys" which she used to protect her when her creators saw her as a threat. Unfortunately they ended up wiping out the entire civilization and escaped through the gate.

Yea the whole "who is better" is kinda hard to determine as the repliactors could dominate halos universe and the flood dominate stargates universe. But I don't believe the flood are invincible. There most likely is a way to kill them off and all the spores, but the creators didn't wanna make something with such obvious weakness and I found it to be poor design to create what has been implied to be literally unkillable. Hell even in stargate they made the ORI killable. So thats why I prefer replicators, they aren't invincible, and I found to be more cleverly designed.

EDIT: to clarify further on Pelops' nanites, they were shut down so the people could now live longer lives instead of the 100 days that they had. He created those to experiment with the humans in giving them 100 day lifespans as a means to speed up human evolution to see what would become of humans and part of a means to create the perfect host. Similar to Nirrti and her goals of creating a "perfect host".
 

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You forgot to add the Borg to this poll.
Also the replicators are machines therefore superior to the average biological mutant without the anti-replicator gun.
 

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The Borg from Star Trek:The Next Generation.

You will be assimilated.
Flood>Borg hands down. I mean, if it's set in Star Trek's universe, it wouldn't even be a contest. One spore on one planet somewhere in the galaxy and the entire Star Trek galaxy is dead. Yea, it's got a lot of awesome stuff in it, it's got planet killers and all kinds of weapons, but it would fall. There's so much life in it, so many resources, so many planets, that the Flood would grow hundreds of times faster than in Halo's universe and they would have access to much faster, sleeker technology. They could use teleporters to teleport tens of carriers directly on board starships. Twenty or so carriers would easily take over an entire Starship unless it's a Borg Ship. The Flood would simply keep growing and growing and growing until they have enough force to fight the Borg. From then, an seemingly endless battle would ensue for thousands of years until the last Borg has been killed. Since the Borg cannot create new Borg, they must convert other life. Yes, I know of what happened with Voyager, but the Borg aren't that advanced yet. They don't have Borg gestation chambers yet, they can't just grow more Borg.

Hm... Should I start a Flood vs Borg thread? That seems a little easier to determine than this one since, as Seraph pointed out, the Flood could take over both galaxies in the Stargate universe and the Replicators could take over the entire galaxy in the Halo universe, but it would be an endless battle if they chose to fight each other as the Replicators wouldn't be able to permanently eradicate the Flood.
 

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Eipok Kruden said:
oliveira8 said:
The Borg from Star Trek:The Next Generation.

You will be assimilated.
Flood>Borg hands down. I mean, if it's set in Star Trek's universe, it wouldn't even be a contest. One spore on one planet somewhere in the galaxy and the entire Star Trek galaxy is dead. Yea, it's got a lot of awesome stuff in it, it's got planet killers and all kinds of weapons, but it would fall. There's so much life in it, so many resources, so many planets, that the Flood would grow hundreds of times faster than in Halo's universe and they would have access to much faster, sleeker technology. They could use teleporters to teleport tens of carriers directly on board starships. Twenty or so carriers would easily take over an entire Starship unless it's a Borg Ship. The Flood would simply keep growing and growing and growing until they have enough force to fight the Borg. From then, an seemingly endless battle would ensue for thousands of years until the last Borg has been killed. Since the Borg cannot create new Borg, they must convert other life. Yes, I know of what happened with Voyager, but the Borg aren't that advanced yet. They don't have Borg gestation chambers yet, they can't just grow more Borg.

Hm... Should I start a Flood vs Borg thread? That seems a little easier to determine than this one since, as Seraph pointed out, the Flood could take over both galaxies in the Stargate universe and the Replicators could take over the entire galaxy in the Halo universe, but it would be an endless battle if they chose to fight each other as the Replicators wouldn't be able to permanently eradicate the Flood.
What about the Zerg versus The Flood? The Zerg evolve according to what they fight and find.

Or Cyberman vs The Flood. (or are Cyberman to similar to the Borg?)

Or Space Marines vs The Flood..oh wait thats not fair Space Marines owns all even grannys.

Edit: Boy I'm impressed at your deep knowledge of 3 races in 3 entirely dferent universes. Have some +2 nerd point!
 

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Deadarm said:
You forgot to add the Borg to this poll.
Also the replicators are machines therefore superior to the average biological mutant without the anti-replicator gun.
The Flood are hardly the average biological mutant. They're a fungi. As long as one spore survives, the Flood survives. One spore can give birth to an entire Flood colony. They are impossible to permanently eradicate.
 

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I don't think Borg Vs Flood is good. Flood Vs Replicators seems to be a more comparable poll as both are the same, except one is technological and one if organic. They are the same an all respects. Although you can say that about the borg, but I find it to be a little more iffy in that comparison as I see them as an entirely different entity. The flood and replicators are both parasites and have the same nature and are more primal in nature than the borg which are more sentient.
 

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Eipok Kruden said:
oliveira8 said:
The Borg from Star Trek:The Next Generation.

You will be assimilated.
Flood>Borg hands down. I mean, if it's set in Star Trek's universe, it wouldn't even be a contest. One spore on one planet somewhere in the galaxy and the entire Star Trek galaxy is dead. Yea, it's got a lot of awesome stuff in it, it's got planet killers and all kinds of weapons, but it would fall. There's so much life in it, so many resources, so many planets, that the Flood would grow hundreds of times faster than in Halo's universe and they would have access to much faster, sleeker technology. They could use teleporters to teleport tens of carriers directly on board starships. Twenty or so carriers would easily take over an entire Starship unless it's a Borg Ship. The Flood would simply keep growing and growing and growing until they have enough force to fight the Borg. From then, an seemingly endless battle would ensue for thousands of years until the last Borg has been killed. Since the Borg cannot create new Borg, they must convert other life. Yes, I know of what happened with Voyager, but the Borg aren't that advanced yet. They don't have Borg gestation chambers yet, they can't just grow more Borg.

Hm... Should I start a Flood vs Borg thread? That seems a little easier to determine than this one since, as Seraph pointed out, the Flood could take over both galaxies in the Stargate universe and the Replicators could take over the entire galaxy in the Halo universe, but it would be an endless battle if they chose to fight each other as the Replicators wouldn't be able to permanently eradicate the Flood.
The Borg would assimilate the Flood or more specifically become immune to the spores after one or two infections and then assimilate them, then the Replicators would assimilate the Borg.
 

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oliveira8 said:
What about the Zerg versus The Flood? The Zerg evolve according to what they fight and find.

Or Cyberman vs The Flood. (or are Cyberman to similar to the Borg?)

Or Space Marines vs The Flood..oh wait thats not fair Space Marines owns all even grannys.
The Zerg are great and all, but as I've pointed out, the Flood are a fungi. As long as one spore survives, the entire Flood species survives. And a spore can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely.
 

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Eipok Kruden said:
oliveira8 said:
What about the Zerg versus The Flood? The Zerg evolve according to what they fight and find.

Or Cyberman vs The Flood. (or are Cyberman to similar to the Borg?)

Or Space Marines vs The Flood..oh wait thats not fair Space Marines owns all even grannys.
The Zerg are great and all, but as I've pointed out, the Flood are a fungi. As long as one spore survives, the entire Flood species survives. And a spore can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely.
Ah! I think I found the match agaisnt the Flood...GALLACTUS!
 

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Deadarm said:
The Borg would assimilate the Flood or more specifically become immune to the spores after one or two infections and then assimilate them, then the Replicators would assimilate the Borg.
I never said the Flood would infect the Borg. Because they wouldn't. They'd infect EVERYTHING else other than the Borg and then they'd attack the Borg or strike a treaty with the Borg. The Borg have made one treaty before. If the Borg realize they'll never defeat the Flood and the Flood will never defeat them, which I'm sure they will since they're pretty smart, they would want to stop the war so they could go about their business.
 

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Eipok Kruden said:
Deadarm said:
The Borg would assimilate the Flood or more specifically become immune to the spores after one or two infections and then assimilate them, then the Replicators would assimilate the Borg.
I never said the Flood would infect the Borg. Because they wouldn't. They'd infect EVERYTHING else other than the Borg and then they'd attack the Borg or strike a treaty with the Borg. The Borg have made one treaty before. If the Borg realize they'll never defeat the Flood and the Flood will never defeat them, which I'm sure they will since they're pretty smart, they would want to stop the war so they could go about their business.
And then species 8472 and come in and fuck them both up :p or how bout the Ori, god like beings :p

Oh and I just remembered something from the stargate universe that would beat the flood completely. The same means that was used to destroy the replicators which was the ancient device of Dakara. A device can can be calibrated to single out and destroy anything it's told to un the galaxy. So it's sorta like a halo but smaller and WAY more powerful. Sorry I couldn't help it lol, too bad the Dakaran device was blown up :( but still it trumps all argument lol.
 

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-Seraph- said:
Eipok Kruden said:
Deadarm said:
The Borg would assimilate the Flood or more specifically become immune to the spores after one or two infections and then assimilate them, then the Replicators would assimilate the Borg.
I never said the Flood would infect the Borg. Because they wouldn't. They'd infect EVERYTHING else other than the Borg and then they'd attack the Borg or strike a treaty with the Borg. The Borg have made one treaty before. If the Borg realize they'll never defeat the Flood and the Flood will never defeat them, which I'm sure they will since they're pretty smart, they would want to stop the war so they could go about their business.
And then species 8472 and come in and fuck them both up :p or how bout the Ori, god like beings :p
All hail the Ori.
 

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Replicators, the flood will have no easy means of wiping them out, the borg could be a good match for them but I think the replicators intelligence will beat them or they could just eat away at the borg cube
 

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-Seraph- said:
First off to clarify, the original replicators, the first ones to ever exist were made by the Alterans (Ancients) as a means to fight the Wraith....which went horribly wrong. Although you are right about the first replicators to exist in the milky way.

Anywho I voted replicators as they are a near unstoppable technology that can only be beaten by conventional means, well only for the simple "bugs". The Nanite ones are pretty much invincible and their weakness is pretty much the reverse of their less advanced counterparts.

The were so dangerous that they had the power to wipe out the Asgard who are comparable to the Ancients even the Forerunners. The flood would lose by all accounts in any fight with the replicators and the replicators have one HUGE advantage the flood dont. The flood need sufficient biomatter to keep their numbers up and to survive. The Replicators evolved to a point where they simple need matter in general to exist, they converted a whole planet into one giant replicator. They are pretty much only as weak as the materials they are comprised of and their ability to reassemble themselves is another advantage to flood dont have. Their ability to manipulate technology gives them more versatility as well. They dont need to build ships themselves sometimes, they can just take one by simply hacking it.

The flood are dangerous by all means but I just see replicators as far more powerful by all means, especially if we are talking about who would win in a battle.
Exactly.

In any fight, Replicators would win, simply because they can make anything into another replicator. Borg and Flood included.