That's what people said about TOR and every other new MMO that came out after WoW.ResonanceSD said:
Poll: Future of World of Warcraft
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Ok, the difference between you and me is that I've actually played those three games. Have you tried out ToR and GW2? No, you bloody well haven't. GW2 is objectively better than both ToR (which isn't that hard) and WoW.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I think GW2 looks amazing. But it won't kill WoW, so the Media will always compare every MMO to WoW.ResonanceSD said:
quite true GW2 wont kill wow, wow has already killed itself. its simple they puled the trigger with cata and have been slowly but surly dieing since then. Now GW2 is going to pretty much quicken the flow of blood,as it were, from wow since its a free to play game that looks better.TheLizardKing said:
It's pretty stupid, Mists of Pandaria that is. As someone who's been a fan of the Warcraft series since the start and indeed was introduced to rts through the very first game, I've long had a soft spot for the series and am pretty familiar with the games story and characters. With that in mind I know there are just so many more interesting places they could have gone with this expansion pack. So many ideas already pre-established in the games lore and backstory that were just begging to be mined and explored.
New settings that could have not only been amazing to see but even opportunity for boss and encounters that would have extremely memorable. The sort of stuff that would have made me and people like me who've since stopped playing at least pick up the expansion and play for the free month to see as a long time fan of the series.
Instead they went with a gag character from Warcraft 3. Seriously. What idiot decided that of all the possibility that was the best one to take? I can only presume that it was a decision made entirely by marketing with little to no impact from anyone actually connected to the original series or story. Some guy with a suit who said 'Hey, we need to reach a hip new crowd of kids. You know what's popular with them? Kung-Fu Panda's and Jack Black. Make it happen!'.
Eug. I know the cool thing is to say how much people hate WOW or give a sad little story about how miserable they were before they quit and miraculously found a life, as though the two were somehow exclusive. But dammit I liked WOW while I played it and it's sad to see just how goddamned dumb it's continued to get over time.
New settings that could have not only been amazing to see but even opportunity for boss and encounters that would have extremely memorable. The sort of stuff that would have made me and people like me who've since stopped playing at least pick up the expansion and play for the free month to see as a long time fan of the series.
Instead they went with a gag character from Warcraft 3. Seriously. What idiot decided that of all the possibility that was the best one to take? I can only presume that it was a decision made entirely by marketing with little to no impact from anyone actually connected to the original series or story. Some guy with a suit who said 'Hey, we need to reach a hip new crowd of kids. You know what's popular with them? Kung-Fu Panda's and Jack Black. Make it happen!'.
Eug. I know the cool thing is to say how much people hate WOW or give a sad little story about how miserable they were before they quit and miraculously found a life, as though the two were somehow exclusive. But dammit I liked WOW while I played it and it's sad to see just how goddamned dumb it's continued to get over time.
its not better, its the same hotkey gameplay we've been using since ultima and everquest.ResonanceSD said:
it ,thank fully, isn't depending on keeping subscribers, which is good cause it'd end up like all the other MMOs that banked on story and PvP to keep people's interest... dead or dying.
so far all GW2 is , is a online single-player game(which is what they call it) that you can play with other people.
in short its just like D3.
I have a story for you all. Once, there was this city named Rome. Rome was pretty damn awesome. It wasn't completely original, because it took a lot from the Etruscans and Greeks, but the things they took they seemingly did better. Many many people lived in Rome and her outlying provinces, and it lasted this way for hundreds of years. Life was good in the Roman Empire.ecoho said:
But over time, Rome lost its spark. No one knows for sure. Some say it overextended with expansionism. Others say there was a moral change and the lack of an old trustworthy core caused it to collapse. Yet more say it ran out of real enemies, and grew stagnant.
Outside of Rome, there were other kingdoms and empires. None were as old and grand though. A few thought they could take Rome, but were almost always crushed under its foot and turned into vestigial kingdoms. Over time, however, as Rome continued to collapse, smaller kingdoms took bits and pieces. Some land here, some more over there, slowly wearing down the empire as it lost land and citizens. Eventually, a couple of bigger Germanic and barbarian kingdoms were formed. They learned from the mistakes of Rome, and did some things better. Like pants. Over time, these larger kingdoms tore away at Rome, taking vast chunks. They didn't kill Rome, but a number of them all combined wounded her fatally. Eventually Rome, long since outdated and irrelevant, collapsed finally. The world was full of chaos for a while, as many small kingdoms fought over the remains of Rome. But eventually, new and better empires were founded.
Guild Wars 2 will not kill WoW. Instead, I posit that GW2 is the Visigoths.
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Have you played it? It actually does some things better. At its core its still a hotkey based game, but it has elements of movement and defense WoW never had in its dodge mechanic. Also, the structure of the game's events makes it so that groups are likely to spring up to take down large group oriented challenges. I've seen it happen in the Beta. I'll ask you actually play something before getting a basic mechanic completely and utterly wrong.Joseph Alexander said:
GW2 is not the Visigoths, no more then Tor was the Visigoths.Ftaghn To You Too said:
and how funny for you to assume i haven't played it, i have in fact and yes it improves but at its core it is still the same "stand in one spot spam buttons" that hotkey combat has always been.
i am waiting for someone to actually stop following WoW/EQ system of hotkey combat split factions and actually move the MMORPG genre forward, not another repeat of an overused over-copied formula.
I thought the motivation behind mist of pandaria is that now with pretty much every known threat averted and destroyed (other than burning legion/old gods i guess), the bigots and zealots within the horde and alliance are taking the time to screw everything up now that there is no more imminent threat to the world.
Also heard that Garrosh will feature as the villain...hell that is almost enough to make me want to go back. I couldnt stand the fact that he was the leader of the horde (as a horde player) especially when you compare him to Thrall.
Also heard that Garrosh will feature as the villain...hell that is almost enough to make me want to go back. I couldnt stand the fact that he was the leader of the horde (as a horde player) especially when you compare him to Thrall.
As a person who likes both Guild Wars and WoW I think its a pretty cool idea.
First of all EVERY GAME IS A HOTKEY GAME. If its not on the keyboard, its going to be on one of the controller buttons. Having it on the keyboard somehow makes it worse by default? :/
Now, people are hating it because its not as dark and brooding as the last expansions, but honestly, if you complain about the staleness so much, why NOT mix it up? And yes, there ARE enemies. There are the Sha, which are the physical manifestation of evil, and also a race of golden dragon dogs that created Pandaria, also Garosh Hellscream who has ulterior motives. So, while it isn't being shown to us all at once (surprises are nice sometimes) it still exists.
I like the idea of the pokemon battles and farming because it gives us something persistent to do besides dungeons and raids, which is a good thing right? I mean, all you people complain about end game content being the same right? I loved the betas of GW2 so far, but what persistent things are there besides pvp? :/
And the hard content is still THERE despite how childish it might look at first glance. And the new challenge modes they're adding with a ranking system for those masochists. I don't think you get to complain about the difficulty unless you've gotten all the heroic achievements and gold ranked the new challenge modes. Its more WoW, but its also freshening up some things. I think it adds more than Cata did to be honest.
WoW is losing subscribers yes, but its still at almost 8 times as much as TOR. And smaller mmos with only in the hundred thousand subscriber base are still going strong, so I don't see it going anywhere until Blizzard does something with it. (Titan is so vague at the moment that its still a possibility that nothing comes of it)
I don't see why I can't play it AND Guild Wars 2. Its 2 different styles of games, one not necessarily better than the other, just different. I've never had to reschedule my life around WoW, so its never been the time sink that people make it be and then blame the game.
Also, I recall gamers the nostalgic types who love old NES/SNES/N64/PS1/Dreamcast games with a passion over some recent brown shooters, yet WoW just because it is an mmo and the target of discussion gets hated for being old? Its a good game, I might not get MoP depending on the cash I have at the time, but its still a solid game and I wouldn't mind experiencing the new content.
First of all EVERY GAME IS A HOTKEY GAME. If its not on the keyboard, its going to be on one of the controller buttons. Having it on the keyboard somehow makes it worse by default? :/
Now, people are hating it because its not as dark and brooding as the last expansions, but honestly, if you complain about the staleness so much, why NOT mix it up? And yes, there ARE enemies. There are the Sha, which are the physical manifestation of evil, and also a race of golden dragon dogs that created Pandaria, also Garosh Hellscream who has ulterior motives. So, while it isn't being shown to us all at once (surprises are nice sometimes) it still exists.
I like the idea of the pokemon battles and farming because it gives us something persistent to do besides dungeons and raids, which is a good thing right? I mean, all you people complain about end game content being the same right? I loved the betas of GW2 so far, but what persistent things are there besides pvp? :/
And the hard content is still THERE despite how childish it might look at first glance. And the new challenge modes they're adding with a ranking system for those masochists. I don't think you get to complain about the difficulty unless you've gotten all the heroic achievements and gold ranked the new challenge modes. Its more WoW, but its also freshening up some things. I think it adds more than Cata did to be honest.
WoW is losing subscribers yes, but its still at almost 8 times as much as TOR. And smaller mmos with only in the hundred thousand subscriber base are still going strong, so I don't see it going anywhere until Blizzard does something with it. (Titan is so vague at the moment that its still a possibility that nothing comes of it)
I don't see why I can't play it AND Guild Wars 2. Its 2 different styles of games, one not necessarily better than the other, just different. I've never had to reschedule my life around WoW, so its never been the time sink that people make it be and then blame the game.
Also, I recall gamers the nostalgic types who love old NES/SNES/N64/PS1/Dreamcast games with a passion over some recent brown shooters, yet WoW just because it is an mmo and the target of discussion gets hated for being old? Its a good game, I might not get MoP depending on the cash I have at the time, but its still a solid game and I wouldn't mind experiencing the new content.
Eh. Some of the things MoP is bringing to the game I can get along with. Sure, a lot of the stuff is rather odd, removing totems from general play and instead making the a Sudo oh-shit button.
Pandaren Monks? Neat idea, knew the no-auto attack thing would die before any player even saw it because it would have been impossible to implement right without completely re-doing everything.
As I've always said though, Blizzard is going to have to completely overhaul their engine if they're going to want to innovate past what they've been doing. The Engine they use now is just too outdated to keep up with what they're trying to implement and what the players want to see.
I've been playing WoW since near end Vanilla and start of TBC and I just can't get excited about MoP, to the point where I just let my sub run out and don't care to restart it. Could be that I'm just tired of WoW after all these years but it also has to do with the repeated nerfing of content I enjoying having to actually think to get through. Ozruk pre-nerf patch? Hard, fun and unique.
Pandaren Monks? Neat idea, knew the no-auto attack thing would die before any player even saw it because it would have been impossible to implement right without completely re-doing everything.
As I've always said though, Blizzard is going to have to completely overhaul their engine if they're going to want to innovate past what they've been doing. The Engine they use now is just too outdated to keep up with what they're trying to implement and what the players want to see.
I've been playing WoW since near end Vanilla and start of TBC and I just can't get excited about MoP, to the point where I just let my sub run out and don't care to restart it. Could be that I'm just tired of WoW after all these years but it also has to do with the repeated nerfing of content I enjoying having to actually think to get through. Ozruk pre-nerf patch? Hard, fun and unique.
WoW lore died with the death of Arthas in my opinion. <3
Since then, I've given up on lore in the WoW universe, Cataclysm just threw it out the window. I left to play Old Republic and I've loved it.
Having said that, though, I do plan to return for Pandaria. Ignoring lore, it just looks beautiful, but then I'm kinda bias to love anything Asia-themed. The pandaren look like fun to play around with and Monk looks interesting. Warlock changes are pretty amazing as well.
Honestly, I'm all about setting (I kinda feel like I'm alone here). If the area I'm playing in looks good, I enjoy myself. And good lord, everything about Pandaria looks so gorgeous. I wanna go into that world, sit, and stare. That would make the money worth it. Wrath had a lot of that too. Dalaran was so beautiful, as was the Storm Peaks, Ulduar (Best raid everrrrr. <3333 Algalon), Icecrown Citadel (Putricide!), Dragonblight, and the Howling Fjord. I love Northend so much to this day.
I played for a week from a Scroll of Resurrection and did the Dragon Soul raid. Forgetting everything lore-wise, it wasn't bad. 'Whoa, we're riding a big ass dragon, smack it around!' was a line a friend yelled. We had fun.
And yeah, there are a lot of references and silly things. But, as my name and picture may hint, I'm kinda okay with that. :3
Since then, I've given up on lore in the WoW universe, Cataclysm just threw it out the window. I left to play Old Republic and I've loved it.
Having said that, though, I do plan to return for Pandaria. Ignoring lore, it just looks beautiful, but then I'm kinda bias to love anything Asia-themed. The pandaren look like fun to play around with and Monk looks interesting. Warlock changes are pretty amazing as well.
Honestly, I'm all about setting (I kinda feel like I'm alone here). If the area I'm playing in looks good, I enjoy myself. And good lord, everything about Pandaria looks so gorgeous. I wanna go into that world, sit, and stare. That would make the money worth it. Wrath had a lot of that too. Dalaran was so beautiful, as was the Storm Peaks, Ulduar (Best raid everrrrr. <3333 Algalon), Icecrown Citadel (Putricide!), Dragonblight, and the Howling Fjord. I love Northend so much to this day.
I played for a week from a Scroll of Resurrection and did the Dragon Soul raid. Forgetting everything lore-wise, it wasn't bad. 'Whoa, we're riding a big ass dragon, smack it around!' was a line a friend yelled. We had fun.
And yeah, there are a lot of references and silly things. But, as my name and picture may hint, I'm kinda okay with that. :3
I haven't even been keeping up with MoP. I quit playing about 10 months ago and while I do miss it from time to time, I don't foresee myself going back regardless of what they might do. I enjoyed vanilla, BC, and even WotLK but I noticed with WotLK that the difficulty dropped. It just wasn't challenging enough anymore. I almost quit back then but figured I'd give cata a shot. While I loved how they changed things up, it was still too easy and the grind finally got to me. I still have guildies that pester me to come back but it ain't going happen. The aesthetic look of MoP has my attention but that's it........and that's certainly not enough to get me to cough up 15 a month again.
If MoP is half as popular as Cataclysm then in 3 years WoW will have 5 million subscribers, which means it'll still be 5 times as popular as the next most popular subscription MMO. WoW isn't going anywhere just yet. I predict it'll be another 5 years before its subscriptions reach the level of an ordinary MMO, and even then it won't be dead.
Know im not the first one to hone in on this line,
To each their own, but after studying things like the Codex of War and the prophecy of trakanon, honestly WoWs lore feels like a reading of
As read by Ben Stein.
Anyway, the future for wow?
Simple. its going to get picked apart by dozens of new MMOs looking to take a slice of their pie until you see them limp along like a hollowed out shell of an MMO that it once was. Sure the game will linger on for quite some time. Just remember, Everquest is still getting expansions and that game has been effectively dead for the better part of a decade now. Big MMOs dont die, they just waste away as a shade of their former selves. Wow will be no different, it will simply take longer for that many people to get bored and finally give up on it. Just a matter of time.
But why would any "lore fanatic" even give wow a second look. Its lore is about as deep as an episode of Star trek TOS (and sadly, most of the wow story/lore is just repurposed ToS story arcs and other facelifted material)
To each their own, but after studying things like the Codex of War and the prophecy of trakanon, honestly WoWs lore feels like a reading of
As read by Ben Stein.
Anyway, the future for wow?
Simple. its going to get picked apart by dozens of new MMOs looking to take a slice of their pie until you see them limp along like a hollowed out shell of an MMO that it once was. Sure the game will linger on for quite some time. Just remember, Everquest is still getting expansions and that game has been effectively dead for the better part of a decade now. Big MMOs dont die, they just waste away as a shade of their former selves. Wow will be no different, it will simply take longer for that many people to get bored and finally give up on it. Just a matter of time.