Poll: Games aren't gay enough.
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I don't think it matters, because sexuality is a spectrum. Also, to have a good homosexual character, you would need a good homosexual author. Short of affirmative action in video games, the situation will not change unless more homosexuals arbitrarily decide to become video game writers.
what about a game set in a futureistic christian theocracy where (obviously) Homosexuality is outlawed? and the consequences are awful (imprisonment/torture)kortin said:
what if your charachter is say...part of the "thourght police" but also a closeted homosexual who dances around it with mental logic (its just god testing me!...so what if your gay!? that doesnt mean you should give into headonistic pleasures! that makes you weak!) and then one of the "moral choices" you make in the game is weather or not to embrace or fight thst part, it could add somthing to the charachter and their motivations...
never say never is all I'm saying
uuuuhhh..noHavegun said:
because in an RPG the charachter is partly defined by you...think of it as the writers letting you flesh out the charachter
Neil Patrick Harris[footnote] A proud gay man[/footnote] and I have only one response to reading what you have typed.....Bhaalspawn said:I hate to be "this guy" but...
Sexual orientation only affects the gender/mix of genders you get sexually and romantically aroused by. The only way to include such characters in any meaningful sense would be in a game who's story revolves around romance or sexual relationships.
Most games aren't about such things. As a result, a character's sexuality is a tertiary trait. It's not really important enough to be worth exploring aside from a passing mention or an inclusion in a sub-story like what BioWare has been doing for 13 Years.
It is going to be difficult to represent a psychological trait that affects something so separated from what many games are about (conflict, battle, hero's journey, ect).
There are no personality traits associated with gay people. We've only fooled ourselves into thinking there are. Personality and Sexuality operate independently of eachother and have a hard time meshing in a character as far as solid character design goes.
Because if you try really hard to do it, your character ends up being a pandering, token stereotype.
Homosexuality doesn't define a character. If you describe your character with "She's gay" then congratulations: You've told your audience nothing about your character. We have to get off this mindset that homosexuality is some massive difference in human beings. I can understand why we have this mindset. Western Culture is largely defined by the United States. And the United States has quite a lot ofdumbfucksmisguided people who think that gay people are some kind of alien species.
They're not. They differ from straight people in the most minute way possible.
BioWare's handling of gay characters is about as close as you're going to get to an inclusive and non-stereotypical representation of homosexuality. It's there. That's it. It isn't used to define a character. It isn't shoehorned in as part of the main plot. And it pretty much stays in the only area it can fit: Romance Options.
Don't every be ashamed to be "that guy".
To be fair, we don't just have poorly written gay guys, we have poorly written everything right now. Hell, forget gay guys, we can't write good female characters. We can't even write good straight white males, it's that bad!
Anywho, I do agree there should be more representation of gay characters in games. Unfortunately, games have yet to even get into proper representation minorities and females. It has lots of work to do so I'm not expecting it to suddenly get fixed anytime soon.
Anywho, I do agree there should be more representation of gay characters in games. Unfortunately, games have yet to even get into proper representation minorities and females. It has lots of work to do so I'm not expecting it to suddenly get fixed anytime soon.
I think it is definitely something to be considered, as long as it's available to avoid all sexual scenarios in the game, i don't think it should be a problem with developers trying out different balances/blends of homo/bi/heterosexual combinations in games. I know i'd be open to playing the game.
is it really though?Twilight_guy said:
I mean I feel like I dont often have a grasp on "good" and "bad" writing but alot of female charachters and such come across to me as competantly written at least, just going on alot of the games I've been playing over the past year or so
and as peopel have aid..agyness only comes into question if theres roamnce involed (or the gae takes place in a christain theocracy and some of the charachters are gay/repressed)
To an extent...I think sexuality depends on...stuff
If you are playing Jim and have the choice of romancing all girls we can assume that Jim is heterosexual. If Jill can romance Mike, Mark, and Lola than we can assume Jill is bisexual. To me it depends on how the creators intend the game and characters to work. I am not personally for a "give everyone of all sexuality the option of romance" in terms of games where the main character is already premade. Sexuality is a very complex thing but can also be very simple. There are some characters who will never feel same sex or oppisite sex urges because that simply is not a trait given to them by their creators in their vision. If I make Carter a straight male PC and someone complains that while playing Carter they can't romance his male roommate, then to me that is simply because Carter is straight. The key is for creators to look at sexuality as a component of characterization.( some characters aren't thinking about flirting or sexual things and thus it becomes irrelevant to them and vice versa)
I'm not saying this isn't problematic, but in my eyes sexuality is heavily influencing a characters actions at times. At the same time I can name a few gay or bisexual characters but most all fall into a category of "stereotypes" of sexuality *shrug*.
If you are playing Jim and have the choice of romancing all girls we can assume that Jim is heterosexual. If Jill can romance Mike, Mark, and Lola than we can assume Jill is bisexual. To me it depends on how the creators intend the game and characters to work. I am not personally for a "give everyone of all sexuality the option of romance" in terms of games where the main character is already premade. Sexuality is a very complex thing but can also be very simple. There are some characters who will never feel same sex or oppisite sex urges because that simply is not a trait given to them by their creators in their vision. If I make Carter a straight male PC and someone complains that while playing Carter they can't romance his male roommate, then to me that is simply because Carter is straight. The key is for creators to look at sexuality as a component of characterization.( some characters aren't thinking about flirting or sexual things and thus it becomes irrelevant to them and vice versa)
I'm not saying this isn't problematic, but in my eyes sexuality is heavily influencing a characters actions at times. At the same time I can name a few gay or bisexual characters but most all fall into a category of "stereotypes" of sexuality *shrug*.
Yes, if it's relevant. I tried to say that in the rest of the snipped post. I think that got lost in trying to say that I don't see it being relevant in the majority of games.Vault101 said:
It could be pulled off if it was REALLY subtle, like Military Brown Shooter 2013 including a soldier that wraps his dog-tags in tiny pink ballet slippers, or keeps a teddy bear on his bunk, but has dialogue written just like everyone else. What I want avoided is the insulting stereotypes just for the sake of having gay people in their games. That's not a step forward at all, and I'm having a really hard time picturing it going down any other way.
erm....I cant imagine many people would do that...gay or otherwise...more like say if he kept a photo of another guy closeSigna said:
but yeah I see what you mean
[quote/]but has dialogue written just like everyone else. What I want avoided is the insulting stereotypes just for the sake of having gay people in their games. That's not a step forward at all, and I'm having a really hard time picturing it going down any other way.[/quote]
true, though I dont think thats what people are suggesting, more "if it can work..they why not?" mostly I think in cases Like Mass Effect (where it was intended for 1 but cut out)
much like female charachters as well...in the case of alien marines given the background of the scource material there is absolutely no reason females in multilayer can't work at all, where as somthing like assasins creed...(if there werent already) then I honestly wouldnt complain if there were no female assasins (at least ones in white hoods doing the stabbing)...I mean there are yes, but I could understand if there weren't...that kind of thing
true, though I dont think thats what people are suggesting, more "if it can work..they why not?" mostly I think in cases Like Mass Effect (where it was intended for 1 but cut out)Vault101 said:
much like female charachters as well...in the case of alien marines given the background of the scource material there is absolutely no reason females in multilayer can't work at all, where as somthing like assasins creed...(if there werent already) then I honestly wouldnt complain if there were no female assasins (at least ones in white hoods doing the stabbing)...I mean there are yes, but I could understand if there weren't...that kind of thing[/quote]
Yeah, I heard about those Aliens Marines not being female. I can understand the initial oversight, but it doesn't sound like they are going to bother hotfixing them in. That's retarded, because at that point, it's bordering on discrimination. After all, the fans are asking for it. Some of the best characters in Aliens were female, so the only excuse left is they are lazy and don't care.
Less bigotry more ignorance. As I said in my last argument here I mistook paedophillia for the term for any under age sex. Again with the 'you dare do this thing'. Who are you to talk to me like that? Anyshiz I resolved this a few pages ago and came off the better for it.Flutterfly said:
Lastly I don't look down on anyone for what they stick their dick in. We are differant, some are just unfortunate enough to be the 'wrong' differant.
I understand you need to hate Americans the way plants need to synthesize sunlight, but you are deluding yourself once again.Bhaalspawn said:
I agree with everything else though, and well said. Zevran from Dragon Age: Origins got me really worried because he seemed a very stereotypical, 'flamboyant' gay. But if I recall correctly there are other gay romance options that are not like that. I think it worked because Zevran's flamboyance acknowledges something that really does contribute to the shared homosexual 'culture', and not necessarily in a bad way as you know if you've ever seen a pride parade. At the same time, the other romance options enforce the understanding that not all gay people are a certain way.
i would love to see homosexuals more represented in games. not in a way thats pandering or in a way that makes a big deal out of it, but just so theres more of a balance of gay and straight characters. i would like to reach a point where having a gay character is no more big a deal than having a straight character