Drago-Morph said:
Alaster Angelo said:
Kilroy17 said:
You could almost any DBZ character, especially the SSJs, and they would probably beat any other fictional characters but just because they are OP doesn't mean in their own universe they aren't interesting.
This is untrue. DBZ characters are laughably weak compared to several fictional characters. Though I do agree with you in the other point. Just because somebody can eat a galaxy or shake the universe doesn't mean they can't be interesting characters. Marvel's Journey Into Mystery has several powerful characters featured and it's easily one of the best pieces of fiction I've read in a long time.
Compared to
who? This is a group of people who can literally destroy galaxies with a flick of the wrist. I'm seriously wondering what characters they're weak compared to.
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Alaster Angelo said:
wulfy42 said:
Yeah, how many total wuss super heros in DC or Marvel have the ability to casually destroy a moon?
Well, if we're only counting Earth based heroes (and I'm assuming Avengers/Justice League not the more obscure stuff) then most Marvel heroes can casually destroy planets. Going a little higher up Thor can easily destroy a star, or a solar system if he wanted to. Even farther than that Dr. Strange can casually destroy galaxies, and even universes if he bothers with one of his more complex spells. This isn't even counting things like reality warping, matter manipulation, time travel, and other broken powers that don't rely on outright destruction that the Marvel heroes can use to beat the shit out of DBZ guys.
Thor can bust a planet. Strange I'm not really sure about, so I'll take your word. Hulk can throw a planet. And that's about all the big-name heroes off the top of my head who have any physical cosmic feats. So unless I've horribly missed something, it's not really true that most Marvel heroes can casually destroy planets. The absolute God-tier strongest guys can destroy
a planet if you push them, but that's about it.
Yeah, Thor maybe could...but he doesn't really fly, just moves with his hammer, and he's certainly not as fast as a DBZ guy. The hulk also can't fly, not exactly sure how he would throw a planet unless he was standing on a bigger planet already, maybe he has, but then again hulk is kinda confusing in how he works, his strength/powers etc.
There are quite a few villians and super heros between marvel and DC that could destroy a planet, but my point was that in DBZ Piccolo early on was able to do so while being considered to have a puny power level. Thats kinda like saying Toad could destroy a moon with his tongue or something.
Lets look at a few match ups.
Green lantern vs goku: GL has nearly infinite power and could probably hit Goku with a planet or something to seriously hurt him...but he's not fast enough (not even superhumanly fast...to ever catch goku..and he's not invulnerable to damage. Guku would MT up to GL and knock him out instantly.
Superman: If he knew who goku was and how powerful he is...he could possibly power up in the sun to reach something aproaching Goku's power levels. In alot of ways Goku and superman are similar (which makes them a good match up) aa both would need to power up. Superman though had to power up for many years in order to move a planet...while goku could do it fairly casually. Even fully powered up though superman has a few weaknesses (besides kryptonite which we are not factoring in). He's fast.....very very very fast....but he doesn't have teleportation abilities like goku. He also has a wearkness to magic attacks of any kind, while goku has no weaknesses at all. Also.....Superman is a battery of a sort, powered up by the yellow suns radiation...he can "run down" over time if he uses his powers too much. Goku has no such limitation as his powers are self contained and not reliant on an outside source. Many times in the DBZ series Goku did strenuous activities for many months etc. Also as I mentioned before, Goku has a much stronger and MUCH wider range, range attack. Goku can make a blast the size of a planet with a million times the power of Supermans eye beems.
To me a real battle between them would have to be done IN the sun. This would give Superman an unending supply of power at extremely high levels. Goku would still win on speed, but superman might just really be invulnerably at that point as long as goku did not destroy the sun itself (Which he could do).
That of course is the real tricky part here. In any battle between them the damage and attacks would have to be so overwhelmingly powerful they would destroy everything around them. Neither of them would want to destroy planets etc though, which means they would have to fight way out in space....and in such a case superman would not have the yellow sun to replenish himself with (let alone to actually fight in). Now if they were just transported to a empty galaxy with a large yellow sun in it, goku could just then destroy the sun and win the fight..and not even worry about fighting superman.
Without the sun superman loses.
With the sun superman and goku destroy everything in the solar system until there is nothing but debrees left...and eventually destroy the sun.....so superman loses.
I don't see how superman could possibly win.
