What a terrible example. Prohibition was about getting your brains figuratively smashed with organic compounds, gun laws are about getting your brains literally smashed with metallic compounds.ravenshrike said:
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Koroviev said:If your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, think harder.L-J-F said:Gah couldn't help myself:
Someone breaks into my house, I don't really see me grabbing my shotgun, taking it out of its case, loading it, and maneuvering it through my house. As opposed to grabbing a hand gun out of your nightstand.Slimshad said:
I'm not a handgun owner, but I see the reasoning behind it. I suppose I could leave my shotgun loaded by my bed, but explain that to some girl you bring home. Plus, its just a silly notion.
Interestingly enough, in my three years living in Germany (where the only common civilians who can own firearms are hunters... of which there can only be a limited number per state... they can only own hunting rifles and shotguns, and they have a yearly quota of animal husbandry kills to keep their gun licenses), I witnessed plenty of firearms in the hands of criminals, yet very few in the hands of police... but, as a balance, plenty in the hands of private security contractors.Cingal said:
I was shot at as a gate guard twice, though I was in full body armor and in no danger of actually being hit, so I just radioed it in with a license plate number both times. Strict gun laws do not prevent gun trade anywhere I've ever been, they just make sure only criminals and law enforcement agents are armed, leaving the common citizen wholly dependent on their beleaguered law enforcement officials for defense. I was glad to be part of the US armed forces over there, honestly. There may have been less gun-related crime, but there was every bit as much violent crime overall. Criminals are bolder when they can count on not being shot.
No, I don't think all of that would fit on a bumper sticker. I thought about that, though. I mean, you could do it, but it'd be a rather peculiar looking bumper sticker.lacktheknack said:Koroviev said:If your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, think harder.L-J-F said:Gah couldn't help myself:
Who's advocating sound bites? There's a distinct difference between repeating sound bites and being succinct. How to you say hello? Does it take you fifteen paragraphs everytime you meet someone? Some things can be said quickly and with minimal effort, /\ for example. I'm not gonna write an essay when an image with six words can effectively sum up what I'm trying to get across. See what I just wrote? Most poeople have probably skipped over that and not bothered, and that is why that picture works and this doesn't. Succinct - because life's too short to waste writing more than a sentence at a time on the internet, especially when they probably ignore and skim everything you write when they disagree.Koroviev said:Who's advocating such unnecessary obfuscation? There's a distinct difference between being succinct and repeating sound bites.L-J-F said:If you complicate your beliefs so much people can't understand you just so you look "deeper" and "smartererer" then you're a pretentious .... yeah you get the picture. Nothing wrong with being succinct.Koroviev said:If your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, think harder.L-J-F said:Gah couldn't help myself:
I believe in stronger regulation on who can own a gun (we all know that there are too many gun wound deaths everyday) but I don't necessarily believe a total ban on guns is wise. (Although a world without guns would be nice, I don't see it happening).
It is a bumper sticker, which is why he's laughing I'd imagine.Koroviev said:No, I don't think all of that would fit on a bumper sticker. I thought about that, though. I mean, you could do it, but it'd be a rather peculiar looking bumper sticker.lacktheknack said:Koroviev said:If your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, think harder.L-J-F said:Gah couldn't help myself:
Well, you see, you shouldn't have a loaded handgun in sitting around your house at all, but that is beside the point. Firing a handgun (and trust me, I have tried it before) is extremely inaccurate unless you are trained in using one or have time to prepare. Loading a revolver pistol takes longer than loading a shotgun, and with a shotgun you should never miss.tawmus said:
We sign on our draft card when we are 18, or we are the militia if America is ever overrunned. so in a nutshell we are soldiers, go america.annoyinglizardvoice said:I'm always a little against guns because I find them a somewhat lazy and inresponsible way for a non-soldier to fight.
I do however think that self-defence is an important right, so would be willing to accept them as a compromise if we can't go back to everyone carrying a sword
Second Amendment: The right to bare arms.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3VTxWvJBiic/TMFf4zGRPRI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/O1JLk-pkE08/s1600/bumper-sticker.jpgKoroviev said:
If that exists, then a self-referential bumper sticker isn't too hard to believe.
My shotgun is currently loaded with slugs, I don't want to have to fix my wall just because some tweaker asshole decided my place looked good to rob.Slimshad said:
That's not a very good analogy. You are not stating much of an arguable position when you say hello to someone. However, when you put forth your opinion on gun laws, you are stating a belief that many people will probably disagree with. It is for this reason that you should support your position with reasoning, facts, examples, etc. Doing so will increase the chances of people taking your position seriously. An unsupported opinion is comparable to a table without legs. Supporting your opinion does not mean that you have to forsake being succinct.L-J-F said:
Well, you see, I'm assuming its at least the 20th century and you have a semi-automatic pistol.Slimshad said:
Like I said I keep my shotgun in a case, and I'd be lucky to have some shells nearby. If I was concerned that I needed a gun to protect my household, I can see why a handgun would be an appealing option.
The bumper sticker he included a photo of is the wordiest bumper sticker I've ever seen.UltraParanoia said:It is a bumper sticker, which is why he's laughing I'd imagine.Koroviev said:No, I don't think all of that would fit on a bumper sticker. I thought about that, though. I mean, you could do it, but it'd be a rather peculiar looking bumper sticker.lacktheknack said:Koroviev said:If your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, think harder.L-J-F said:Gah couldn't help myself:
Off the top of my head, more typical bumper stickers include:
Obama
Biden
Time for
Another
Tea Party
McCain
Palin
Drill
Baby
Drill
No H8
No on 8
(For the record, I live in a fairly conservative town in California.)
How many of those gun enforcements laws would work in the states? When you got Bloods, Crips, MS-13, Latin Kings, Hells angels, Chosen Few, so on and so forth. These guys are not gonna follow the rules, they already do not care, they want guns they will get guns. I have a feeling that people forget the criminals ho don't follow the laws are gonna see no guns and say "well i guess we cant use firearms anymore boys."
Look at all te pro fire arms quotes from our founding fathers, must have been pretty important to make it the 2nd thing on the bill of rights.
i also suggest penn and tellers bullshit on gun control http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE
Look at all te pro fire arms quotes from our founding fathers, must have been pretty important to make it the 2nd thing on the bill of rights.
i also suggest penn and tellers bullshit on gun control http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE
Oh, there's plenty of wordy ones, I generally have to supress the urge to key peoples cars if they have a lot of bumper stickers though.Koroviev said:
One of my favorites:
"If you can read this, I'm unimpressed, a lot of people can read"
(For the record, I live in a fairly conservative town in Maryland) And I'd be happy about it if all the assholes coming here from Pennsylvania, Delaware and Balmer didn't raise the goddamn prices and taxes and make it impossible to get around in town.
I am a gun nut, and I think the way most of the states of the US go about gun control. For the most part anyone can own a firearm aside from class III weapons, and each purchase has at the minimum a background check.
Criminals, crazies and those who are just out for vengeance will obtain means of performing their acts without it being legal to obtain or not. And like others said, gun control laws only affect those who obey laws altogether. People will also find ways to abuse ANYTHING, regardless of the legality; the car didn't chose to hit someone, the knife didn't choose to stab someone, the gun didn't chose to shoot someone. The person in control of each decided that for himself. Granted, guns are solely meant to do harm, but that doesn't mean no one can have one. Drugs are meant to alter something within your body, doesn't mean they should be outlawed too because its possible to take it too far.
I believe even without owning a firearm a citizen is protected by the right to own one. An everyday criminal out to perform a mugging won't know for sure if his intended victim is armed or not. A criminal in a country with strict gun laws has a pretty good chance of committing his act unresisted whether it be a simple mugging, or the robbing of a bank.
Criminals, crazies and those who are just out for vengeance will obtain means of performing their acts without it being legal to obtain or not. And like others said, gun control laws only affect those who obey laws altogether. People will also find ways to abuse ANYTHING, regardless of the legality; the car didn't chose to hit someone, the knife didn't choose to stab someone, the gun didn't chose to shoot someone. The person in control of each decided that for himself. Granted, guns are solely meant to do harm, but that doesn't mean no one can have one. Drugs are meant to alter something within your body, doesn't mean they should be outlawed too because its possible to take it too far.
I believe even without owning a firearm a citizen is protected by the right to own one. An everyday criminal out to perform a mugging won't know for sure if his intended victim is armed or not. A criminal in a country with strict gun laws has a pretty good chance of committing his act unresisted whether it be a simple mugging, or the robbing of a bank.