GW2 hands down. The shear amount of innovation, attention to detail, and good design sense put into the game so far already dwarfs WoW. If you haven't checked out their mountain of info you really should. The only problem is GW2's lack of a release date, but once it actually comes out, it will probably take a large share of the MMO market, though WoW will likely always exist and continue to be profitable for years to come.
Poll: GW2 vs WoW, who will win?
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While I'd love to believe GW2 could stop the crap spewing money maker that is WoW...
It just wont happen. I mean seriously. This is like putting a large wall in front of a tank. We might slow the bugger down, but we wont stop it til it runs out of gas.
It just wont happen. I mean seriously. This is like putting a large wall in front of a tank. We might slow the bugger down, but we wont stop it til it runs out of gas.
Wow doesn't use fun gameplay to get it's players addicted like guild wars 2 plans to, they use science to get players to do something they know they hate.Hectix777 said:
Link:http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html
That should answer all your questions as to why wow is so popular.
As for guild wars 2, well it will most certainly win the competition of being more fun (from what I can see) but I don't know so much about winning with most amount of subscribers as wow has been around for quite a while, giving the devs plenty of time to perfect their "science" of getting people addicted.
Also let's not forget that there are gonna be other mmos coming out this year which will also be a great alternative to wow but they are taking potential subscribers away from guild wars 2 just as much as they are taking away from wow. What i'm saying is that not all of the people looking for an alternative mmo are gonna go for guild wars 2 as terra online and starwars: the old republic seem to be just as enticing to purchase.
It took wow years to get where it is today, it is unlikely that a single mmo will instantly top what it took blizzard years to perfect, but luckily, blizzard will have some serious competition this year for once.
What if we have more than just one wall?Sovereignty said:
Never know? In a sense, WoW is like a dynasty. Started of well, built up players, I'm pretty sure it has hit the max players it can have, and i calculate a decline(not like rollercoaster, but more of a trickle that grows over time) somewhere in the near future. Because as you said, people put a lot of money and time into it to turn away, but than it comes to that $15 monthly subscription fee(I know that there are options to buy it for 2 months or a year for less than expected, i don't wanna do the math) but let me run this by you for a second.Carbo said:
Okay, November 2011: A fresh face to the MMO world walks into a Gamestop the day Guild Wars 2 comes out and WoW has capped on the player pop. For Guild Wars pay $49.99 and done, no subscriptions, but if he buys WoW it will cost him $49.99 plus $15 a month coming out to $214.99 for a year. Which one do you think he's gonna buy?
Guild Wars 2 will eventually win. Why? because they're not directly competing against each other anymore. GW2 offers a new and distinct experience compared to WoW. GW2 is B2P, meaning players now CAN play both at the same time without penalty (except lost time). GW2 is just now beginning its life cycle. Warcraft, on the other hand, is aging and will eventually retire (as all great games do at some point). At this point, WoW stepping down is an inevitability. The question is: to whom will it abdicate? I'd say GW2 is a front runner. (although Blizzard will want us to switch over to their new MMORPG when the time comes).
People will only press the buttons inside their Skinner Box [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2487-The-Skinner-Box] for so long...
People will only press the buttons inside their Skinner Box [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2487-The-Skinner-Box] for so long...
Probably won't be a tie, and GW2 probably won't get more players than WoW.
This does not mean one will "win" and the other will "lose", there's plenty of room for competition.
I don't see why people expect a new MMO to either kill or be killed by WoW, do you dismiss all shooters because "they won't outsell CoD"?.
[sub]I played WoW for a while, got tired of it. Rift and GW2 look interesting, but I'm not sure I want to get sucked into that whole thing again.[/sub]
This does not mean one will "win" and the other will "lose", there's plenty of room for competition.
I don't see why people expect a new MMO to either kill or be killed by WoW, do you dismiss all shooters because "they won't outsell CoD"?.
[sub]I played WoW for a while, got tired of it. Rift and GW2 look interesting, but I'm not sure I want to get sucked into that whole thing again.[/sub]
Becuse it is such a silly question i will ignore the "is it a wow killer" comment and instead ask this. If it was up to you, if you were in a position to be the ultimate decider, what would you WANT to happen if you could make it so? would you WANT guildwars 2 to be a wow killer?Hectix777 said:
There is a difference between grind and gameplay.Gxas said:
The grind in wow is only bad (to me) because they don't at least give the grind a significant point, like actual development in story or the environment around you which doesn't even have to be nearly on par with dragon age: origins but they could have at least tried to make it feel like you are working towards a goal other than just leveling for the heck of it. The grind just feels more empty and shallow without proper motive.
A better example of grind in my opinion, would be that you solve the puzzles in the puzzle game again and again to advance, but get nowhere.
But that's just what I think.
There wouldn't be any enemies left after the first ten players made their way through a zone if the environment changed. Though, they have added the phasing thing in which helps to see a change, it's still a bit noticeable, but it works.Anti Nudist Cupcake said:
Also, if you'd bother to read the quest text, you'd see that most of the "go here and kill these" aren't you slaughtering the entire pack of enemies. They NPC actually asks you to whittle their numbers down to keep the playing field even. So, you are impacting story, technically. Each player kills ten Kobolds to weaken their number and now look at Elwynn once Cata hit, there are no more Kobalds there because we eventually killed them all off, its just a fuckton of Orcs attacking.
Welcome to The Escapist, versus threads (especially about the whole WoW killer stigma) are extremely frowned upon.Hectix777 said:
That being said, nothing will kill WoW. It is a solid game with a huge fan base and I really had a lot of fun when I used to play it.
While I personally hated Guild Wars when I played it, I am sure GW2 will be a good game and the two will co-exist just fine.
I voted "tie," even though I don't think it will actually be 50/50. It will be a little more complicated than that. Here's what I think:
People keep saying that you can't play more than one MMO, but in the case of GW2, that really doesn't seem to be the case. The experience they're going for looks like more of a neverending offline game than a classic MMO, in that you're not going to be spending the whole time grinding for levels and raiding for gear. You're just supposed to have fun.
You can log in, chat with friends, do a couple dynamic events if they look fun, or progress your personal storyline, then log out and feel just as accomplished as if you had spent some time leveling in another MMO. Then you can choose to not go back to the game for a week if you don't want to, and you won't feel like you're falling behind like you would in another MMO.
This is mainly because levels work very differently. If you have a high-level friend, they can boost your level up close to theirs during certain events. Other events will scale down to your level. You can experience most of the game without needing to spend any time grinding.
And of course there's the very important fact that there is no subscription fee. This will definitely catch people's attention.
As a result, I think it's quite possible that a huge number of people, maybe even exceeding WoW's population, will buy the game and play it from time to time. But they could continue playing WoW or whatever other MMO they choose alongside it.
People keep saying that you can't play more than one MMO, but in the case of GW2, that really doesn't seem to be the case. The experience they're going for looks like more of a neverending offline game than a classic MMO, in that you're not going to be spending the whole time grinding for levels and raiding for gear. You're just supposed to have fun.
You can log in, chat with friends, do a couple dynamic events if they look fun, or progress your personal storyline, then log out and feel just as accomplished as if you had spent some time leveling in another MMO. Then you can choose to not go back to the game for a week if you don't want to, and you won't feel like you're falling behind like you would in another MMO.
This is mainly because levels work very differently. If you have a high-level friend, they can boost your level up close to theirs during certain events. Other events will scale down to your level. You can experience most of the game without needing to spend any time grinding.
And of course there's the very important fact that there is no subscription fee. This will definitely catch people's attention.
As a result, I think it's quite possible that a huge number of people, maybe even exceeding WoW's population, will buy the game and play it from time to time. But they could continue playing WoW or whatever other MMO they choose alongside it.
Bleh. Korean games!
No, I don't think GW2 has a chance against WoW. I myself got tired of WoW about a year after BC was released, but I still get lured back a few months at a time.
GW hardly kept me active for a month.
No, I don't think GW2 has a chance against WoW. I myself got tired of WoW about a year after BC was released, but I still get lured back a few months at a time.
GW hardly kept me active for a month.
It's not a Korean game. It's being developed by ArenaNet, which is based in Seattle. NCsoft is just the publisher.DanielBrown said:
Also, GW2 will be extremely different from GW1. It will be set in a persistent world, and most of the content is centered around the dynamic event system, the ridiculously in-depth and creative combat system, and your personal story. You should look into it.
As much as I think wow stagnates once you hit 85 and start doing heroics I dont think anything will ever "kill" it. Remember Warhammer? me either. Guild Wars and every MMO's problem is they are so deadset on killing wow and being a wow-type game only better that they ignore things like gameplay and story. So many games make that mistake that they dont try and do anything new and truly creative with their game, all they think about is "Herp Derp, we're not in Azeroth anymore!" I dont want a wow killer, I want something new that isnt wow 2.0.