Poll: Hardcore Mode: Skyrim?

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Are you Bear Grylls? Did you enjoy Hardcore Mode in New Vegas? Do you want to have to eat, drink, sleep, and possible preform other bodily functions in Skyrim?

Well then, lets talk about it! What would you want to hope for in a Hardcore Skyrim? Potion sickness, a frostbite bar? Or do you have a reason that this is a bad idea?
 

Valagetti

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When in doubt drink your own piss.
In all seriousness I did like Hardcore in Vegas, at least obsidian actually used their imagination for once and came out better for it. Skyrim + hardcore... I dunno its seems like a good idea, but so did jumping on a rack before I did so.
 

Miles000

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I would love to have a hardcore option.

Even if it sucks, if it is there, the modding community will be able to epic-a-fy it.
 

Javarock

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Never tried it in new vegas plan to once I play through again. That said my first play probably won't have it my second probably will.
 

Hero in a half shell

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Will Skyrim have proper days and nights? and if so how long will a day last before it gets dark?

I would like it if it wasn't too invasive, just maybe based around making sure you had a meal once every... lets say 6 hours of gameplay, and have something like a skin water flask that you had to fill up and would last 2 or 3 days until you needed to refill it, you could jazz it up by having certain sources of water be unsuitable for drinking from (Eg stangnant pools of water) and they would make your character lose energy points when drank, and poison him if consumed over a long period of time. You could even make certain water sources give your character a temporary lifepoint boost.

Sleeping sounds like it would be quite invasive to the flow of gameplay if it were implemented, but I don't really have any experience with previous hardcore modes, so I'm not sure. These are just my take on it.
 

Captain Hat

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Hardcore mode? Bring it on. Still need to buy New Vegas, but I'd be willing to try anything on the hardest difficulty available. IE: First run through of Dead Space 2 on Zealot mode. 'Twas awesome and frustrating and possibly more satisfying than just doing it on a lower difficulty.

Skyrim could be the same experience if a Hardcore mode was offered. Sure, it'd more than likely translate to having another 10 bars you'd have to monitor... but it's all about being absorbed in the experience, right? It's one thing to have a health bar, but having to worry about your health based on what you have/haven't eaten or drank...I think I'd enjoy the challenge.

Once again; Bring it on.
 

SquirePB

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Be cool if the sort of foods you ate had an effect on your character's performance. Like if you're eating too many cakes and pies (I've not played an elder scrolls game yet so I don't know the game's cusine) your character would get fatter and start to slow down, maybe energy points could be used up faster, but these foods have a short term benefit like they give you bonus energy points for a short period of time but decrease your energy pool in the long run. Though it'd probably end up just being like Fable where it was shit and all it did was made you fat and had no tangible effect on the gameplay.
 

King of the Sandbox

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I think this would be a great option. I think it would work well with having to cook your food and such.

Also, Potion Sickness is totally my new bandname.
 

Shoggoth2588

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It would be cool for that to be an option but I probably wouldn't use it. I got through hardcore in New Vegas but it was a speed-run.

As for Hardcore in Skyrim...I like the Potion Sickness idea and think Potion Overdose would be a good follow-up. There should also be a sickness for eating raw food (you can cook in skyrim, right?) and the frostbite meter sounds good too (especially considering ice magic)
 

Azure-Supernova

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There was a pretty cool mod for Oblivion that actually makes fatigue restoration worth your time. Don't pay attention to your fatigue and you'll notice that as it drains your movement speed slows and if it hits zero you collapse.

Instead of implementing a hunger or hydration bar, I'd personally like Hardcore mode to simplify the HUD and provide a more involving approach. With Hunger and Thirst being invisible stats and directly tied to your Health and Fatigue. When you're fatigued you'd get thirstier and hungrier and when you're thirsty and hungry your health and fatigue don't regenerate as quickly.

With my ideal Hardcore Mode you'd have no health or fatigue bar, you'd instead have idle animations and tells for different conditions:

Hunger
When you're hungry you'd hear your character's stomach and occasionally hear them groan or grumble when it gets more intense.

Thirst
When you're thirsty you'd hear your character smacking their lips, struggling to swallow or trying to clear their throat.

Fatigue
When you're fatigued your character wouldn't run as fast and as you get even more fatigued begin breathing heavily and eventually rasping for breath.

Health
When your health is low your character might initially just groan every now and then in pain, with more serious injuries resulting in laboured breathing and coughing up blood.

To stop yourself just dropping in the middle of combat you'd have another hidden stat: Adrenaline. Your adrenaline would build up quickly in combat or dangerous situations and slowly decrease when in a calm environment. It's basically a failsafe to make sure your hunger, thirst and fatigue don't drop to zero in the middle of combat and get you slaughtered.

Restoring your hunger and thirst would be a matter of simply carrying food and drink in your inventory. You could either eat/drink through a mapped key/inventory or your character would eat automatically when idle.

All of this being said, it's probably too convoluted out there. I'd also like to see a body temperature stat that affected performance as well, so you'd have to choose your armour according to the climate. It'd also give Frost and Fire resistance another use.
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

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Odgical said:
Hardcore was an option for New Vegas because you're playing in a post-apocalyptic future wasteland with radioactive creepy crawlies hunting you while you rummage in ghoul-infested sewers for clean water.

Hardcore should not be an option for Skyrim, a fantasy setting in what appears to be a rich forest filled with deer and fresh, clear streams. With dragons.
But skyrims a snow filled land with great mountains and such. Survival is an issue on snowy mountaintops.

Besides a guys still gotta eat no matter where he is, and you start out as a poor vagrant in elder scrolls games. I think itd be great. imagine having to stop amid your wanderings to go to a camp for a bit of sleep, then pull out your bow and go hunting for a deer so you can cook it and eat it. Id love it for the immersion benefit.

edit: id love to see limb injurys too.
 

Collins254

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Yes this is all well and good and when you become a vampire? what hardcore mode? vampires have no need to eat bar to feast on flesh but can do days if not weeks without feasting, they have no need for drink, or sleep, can not get sick, and ye are basically a middle finger to survival mode, and i would definatly be a very unhappy bunny if i couldnt be a vampire in skyrim.
so yes if there is a hardcore mode, then il do my best to vampire myself up asap, but i have a funny feeling theyre may not be for a simple reason
FO:NV New skill=survival
Skyrim skills=no survival and i think skill lists are confirmed are they not?
 

Evil Top Hat

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Valagetti said:
In all seriousness I did like Hardcore in Vegas, at least obsidian actually used their imagination for once and came out better for it.
Obsidian didn't really come up with hardcore mode. Everything that hardcore mode added for NV was pretty much a copy of what popular fallout 3 mods did before NV even began development, namely Fallout 3 wanderers edition.

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2761
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

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Collins254 said:
Yes this is all well and good and when you become a vampire? what hardcore mode? vampires have no need to eat bar to feast on flesh but can do days if not weeks without feasting, they have no need for drink, or sleep, can not get sick, and ye are basically a middle finger to survival mode, and i would definatly be a very unhappy bunny if i couldnt be a vampire in skyrim.
so yes if there is a hardcore mode, then il do my best to vampire myself up asap, but i have a funny feeling theyre may not be for a simple reason
FO:NV New skill=survival
Skyrim skills=no survival and i think skill lists are confirmed are they not?
so what, hard core modes voluntary anyway, make it turn off if you go vampire.
 

Azure-Supernova

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Collins254 said:
Yes this is all well and good and when you become a vampire? what hardcore mode? vampires have no need to eat bar to feast on flesh but can do days if not weeks without feasting, they have no need for drink, or sleep, can not get sick, and ye are basically a middle finger to survival mode, and i would definatly be a very unhappy bunny if i couldnt be a vampire in skyrim.
so yes if there is a hardcore mode, then il do my best to vampire myself up asap, but i have a funny feeling theyre may not be for a simple reason
FO:NV New skill=survival
Skyrim skills=no survival and i think skill lists are confirmed are they not?
They could always increase the frequency that the hunger arises, as well as the fact that you'll be dealing with the occasional encounter with Vampire Hunters who are trying to kill you. Also throwing risks into the feeding, such as the victim potentially waking up and calling for the guards.
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Collins254 said:
Yes this is all well and good and when you become a vampire? what hardcore mode? vampires have no need to eat bar to feast on flesh but can do days if not weeks without feasting, they have no need for drink, or sleep, can not get sick, and ye are basically a middle finger to survival mode, and i would definatly be a very unhappy bunny if i couldnt be a vampire in skyrim.
so yes if there is a hardcore mode, then il do my best to vampire myself up asap, but i have a funny feeling theyre may not be for a simple reason
FO:NV New skill=survival
Skyrim skills=no survival and i think skill lists are confirmed are they not?
They could always increase the frequency that the hunger arises, as well as the fact that you'll be dealing with the occasional encounter with Vampire Hunters who are trying to kill you. Also throwing risks into the feeding, such as the victim potentially waking up and calling for the guards.
Sun Damage.

In Oblivion you received no sun damage if you were a level 1 vampire (which I thought was stupid), maybe in hardcore mode this could be removed (or in casual) and the damage could be increased.

Also maybe they could introduce a system in hardcore that is similar to the werewolves in Bloodmoon where you have to kill a certain amount of people or you will lose a lot of health. Maybe they could make a vampire version of this where you have to feast on someone every so often or you will suffer consequences.
 

ultrachicken

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I'm not a fan of hardcore mode in New Vegas, but it doesn't intrude on my playing the game, and since other people do enjoy it, who am I to say they shouldn't be given hardcore mode?