Poll: Has war changed?
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Main difference to war is the media and the unemployed housewives at home, the germans under world war one called this "The Silver Knife", meaning that the troops are all portraid as murderes, lest we forget that they are kinda there, trying to make things better. Soldiers that ship off have poor weaponry, no support from home, and no idea why they are even there (sans the american soldiers who actually belive the bs from their pea-brained leaders).
In short the biggest difference between war now and before is reason, it used to have one...
In short the biggest difference between war now and before is reason, it used to have one...
well yea theres this weapon called a nuke and unless their control stations are as poorly guarded as shown in tv and movies noones going to attack the other guys because 'OH SH*T incoming nuke!'
add that to the whole globalisation of the worlds trade markets (ie. why grow rice in australia (little water) when you can mass produce it in wet countries and in return we give them something they cant produce effectively. If China suddenly decided to attack america for example, their economy would bomb as its so interwoven with the us's and all americas allies and so on.
ps. this topic is silly lol
add that to the whole globalisation of the worlds trade markets (ie. why grow rice in australia (little water) when you can mass produce it in wet countries and in return we give them something they cant produce effectively. If China suddenly decided to attack america for example, their economy would bomb as its so interwoven with the us's and all americas allies and so on.
ps. this topic is silly lol
I think what they mean by the saying "War never changes". Is it boils down to the same reasons.
Yeah the way war is fought has changed but it stil boils down to utter violence and destruction.
Its same old thing in a new trendy look.
Yeah the way war is fought has changed but it stil boils down to utter violence and destruction.
Its same old thing in a new trendy look.
War in general hasn't changed. However, some aspects of it have changed - in many cases, combatants distance has increased. Shooting someone with a gun, or even aircraft, may still have a strong psychological impact, but its not the same as stabbing and cutting him/her down. Also, weapons have been developed that allow a single person to kill way more people then i.e. would be possible with a sword.
Most people here have said it far better than I can be bothered even attempting to. I just wanna post this video:
God damn I love Metal Gear Solid 4.
God damn I love Metal Gear Solid 4.
Sure you could read the part you bolded and feel superior with your response, or you could read the next five words. Your choice.RAKtheUndead said:
Battle of Cressy. Most histories agree that this was the beginning of the end of classic chivalry in war. Things like don't kill prisoners and don't kill officers were held to be "gentlemanly" and that sort of stopped with this battle.ZephrC said:
Yes I know people only stood in a line and shot at each other for a short period. The point wasn't for how long people did it. The point was people did it, and now they aren't.
Funny story, we actually have to out of our family to be far enough from human to not go to war. Chimpanzees actually go to war with each other.
The motives for war haven't really changed, in fact they've gone back to their roots for a while with Bush declaring war whenever some small country offended his prestige, but that's not the juicy bit.
The juicy bit is that war has gotten too bloody expensive for anyone to carry it out on a large scale. I know that this was up in the air around the 20ies but they didn't have nukes, guided bombs and lovely computers.
So yeah, war has changed, prices have gone up so we see less of them.
The juicy bit is that war has gotten too bloody expensive for anyone to carry it out on a large scale. I know that this was up in the air around the 20ies but they didn't have nukes, guided bombs and lovely computers.
So yeah, war has changed, prices have gone up so we see less of them.
It has become more civilian friendly. The U.S. has some pretty strict rules that are inplace to minimize civilian casulties. Unfortunately, these rules can make a war extremely hard to win, due to the fact that are enemies are dressed in civilian clothing. So, war has changed by becoming more complicated.
War hasn't changed, just the way it's carried out has changed. The concept is still largely the same.
Well, the Escapists have gone philisophical today huh?
Well, it depends on what you mean by "war".
If you mean the weapons, tactics, and motivations behind it, then certainly war has changed. We've gone from fighting as (Insert religion here) in holy cursades/jihads to fighting as great international alliances against great international alliances to individual or small groups of nations fighting religious or idealogical extremists in wars that cost billions of (Insert national currency here) and thousands lives without any real concrete achievments to show for it.
We've moved out of the age of beating each other over the head with sticks and rocks to lopping off heads wis swords and axes (and mounting them as grotesce trophys on spears and pointy sticks) to now where we pull a trigger from 100 or so meters and watch as the head of our target becomes an expanding cloud of blood, bone, flesh and brain matter.
We've evolved from calling in the cavelry to fireing batteries of cannon to calling in multi-billion dollar air craft to put a 500 pound bomb within 2 meters of our target.
But the more things change, the more they stay the same.
We have always looked upon soldiers with a kind of romantic fantasy. We shout words of patriatism from the highest peaks of the world and challenge any who would question our athority. And when the time comes that our nation should find it self upon the eve of battle with some distant, shadowy, and unquestionably evil enemy, we gather our courage, say goodbye to our friends and our families, and leave our homes to enlist and fight alongside our likeminded brothers.
Then we reach the field upon which the great and glorious battle shall be waged, our hearts filled with the fires of righousness of our cause, our backs bearing the load of our nations pride, and our arms hefting the weapons with which we have been trained to kill the enemy. Upon that field we charge into the waiting arm of the foe, confident in our ability to slay him in pitched combat.
And it is then and there that we come to have our first true taste of the nature or our grim business. All around us, we hear the roar of the battle and the sounds of our weapons upon those of the enemy. Amoungst the cacophany, starting softly at first but rising as time passes, can be heard the sounds of death and suffering. Men young and old, scream and cry as they are cast from the realm of mortals into the oblivion of death. We hear the wounded moans of those that await the sudden sting of the Reaper's blade. Suddenly it is clear that the souds of suffering and death have eclipsed those of battle, and that more now lie upon the ground, wounded and dead, than remain on their feet.
We see the broken and mutalated bodies of foe and friend alike strewn across the land now a quagmire of blood and gore. We see the shadows of the great flocks of black birds who did gather here as they fly upon the bloody winds above our heads. We see men on both sides, waging desperate battles, not for king and country, but for their very survival.
In this way, war has not changed.
Nor, I fear, shall it ever.
Well, it depends on what you mean by "war".
If you mean the weapons, tactics, and motivations behind it, then certainly war has changed. We've gone from fighting as (Insert religion here) in holy cursades/jihads to fighting as great international alliances against great international alliances to individual or small groups of nations fighting religious or idealogical extremists in wars that cost billions of (Insert national currency here) and thousands lives without any real concrete achievments to show for it.
We've moved out of the age of beating each other over the head with sticks and rocks to lopping off heads wis swords and axes (and mounting them as grotesce trophys on spears and pointy sticks) to now where we pull a trigger from 100 or so meters and watch as the head of our target becomes an expanding cloud of blood, bone, flesh and brain matter.
We've evolved from calling in the cavelry to fireing batteries of cannon to calling in multi-billion dollar air craft to put a 500 pound bomb within 2 meters of our target.
But the more things change, the more they stay the same.
We have always looked upon soldiers with a kind of romantic fantasy. We shout words of patriatism from the highest peaks of the world and challenge any who would question our athority. And when the time comes that our nation should find it self upon the eve of battle with some distant, shadowy, and unquestionably evil enemy, we gather our courage, say goodbye to our friends and our families, and leave our homes to enlist and fight alongside our likeminded brothers.
Then we reach the field upon which the great and glorious battle shall be waged, our hearts filled with the fires of righousness of our cause, our backs bearing the load of our nations pride, and our arms hefting the weapons with which we have been trained to kill the enemy. Upon that field we charge into the waiting arm of the foe, confident in our ability to slay him in pitched combat.
And it is then and there that we come to have our first true taste of the nature or our grim business. All around us, we hear the roar of the battle and the sounds of our weapons upon those of the enemy. Amoungst the cacophany, starting softly at first but rising as time passes, can be heard the sounds of death and suffering. Men young and old, scream and cry as they are cast from the realm of mortals into the oblivion of death. We hear the wounded moans of those that await the sudden sting of the Reaper's blade. Suddenly it is clear that the souds of suffering and death have eclipsed those of battle, and that more now lie upon the ground, wounded and dead, than remain on their feet.
We see the broken and mutalated bodies of foe and friend alike strewn across the land now a quagmire of blood and gore. We see the shadows of the great flocks of black birds who did gather here as they fly upon the bloody winds above our heads. We see men on both sides, waging desperate battles, not for king and country, but for their very survival.
In this way, war has not changed.
Nor, I fear, shall it ever.
Reason no, Tactics no(Well since Sun Tzu), Weapons yes. The one constant for the moment is style of tactics and reasons.
The motivations behind war haven't changed, and it's purpose/purposelessness remains intact, but what has changed is how it's handled. Back in ancient history, if you wanted to lead a nation to war, you better bloody be going with them. If you didn't, you weren't worth fighting for.
Now, you want to wage war, you throw some money down and wait for periodic reports on how many you've killed vs how many you've sent to their deaths.
I prefer the former. It's unfair for the people waging war to not be the ones involved in it.
Now, you want to wage war, you throw some money down and wait for periodic reports on how many you've killed vs how many you've sent to their deaths.
I prefer the former. It's unfair for the people waging war to not be the ones involved in it.
I would rather say that the principal behind war has not changed, but the way war is carried out has most certainly changed.
The way i like to view it war has become long distance, sure there are urban warfare but the rest of the time it is far away, Rodger Waters wrote a song and i have forgotten the name but he says a great thing, "The bravery of being out of range" These days a "real" war not the war against under equipped people but nation on nation, would be fought first of in the air with rockets and planes then with long distance weapon and then in the final end with some ground troops.
So in my eyes yes war has changed
Magnus
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The way i like to view it war has become long distance, sure there are urban warfare but the rest of the time it is far away, Rodger Waters wrote a song and i have forgotten the name but he says a great thing, "The bravery of being out of range" These days a "real" war not the war against under equipped people but nation on nation, would be fought first of in the air with rockets and planes then with long distance weapon and then in the final end with some ground troops.
So in my eyes yes war has changed
Magnus
Denmark
Chemistry