Poll: Hate for Fox News

[Ldude893]

FOX News? What, that biased Right wing "News" Channel and home to some of the most idiotic conservatives in America? The only time I ever watch that channel is when I want to see the sheer stupidity of Bill O'Reilly and co, and the total time I ever did that was 13 minutes. I know about the trash in that channel from news clips from this webcast called The Young Turks.

If there's any news station I can put the most faith on, it's Al Jazeera.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Bias. Plain and simple. Fox doesn't set out to report the facts as they are. It sets out to portray stories in the way which reflects best upon their right wing and mostly Republican viewpoint.

Read my post. Name an American news network that doesn't have a bias.

Hate is a bit strong of a word. I'd say that I'm... immensely annoyed and emotionally disturbed by Fox News.

As to the reasons of why I "hate" Fox News, it mostly comes down to me not liking the sensationalism and over-exaggeration of just about EVERYTHING it reports on. It also completely f*cked up the approach of "fair and balanced". Most notably, there are some issues that just don't have two reasonable viewpoints. There's no need to be "balanced" to those things. In fact, in a lot of cases you have to give up fairness in order to achieve balance, and vice versa.

Now, one more thing to keep in mind is that I've not once said that any other American news channels are good (perhaps less awful, but none of them are good). My criticisms extend to just about every American news channel. They can learn a few things from the BBC.

Also, there is no defence for A NEWS CHANNEL presenting non-facts as facts. IT IS THEIR JOB TO PRESENT THE FACTS WHENEVER POSSIBLE! If they're not going to present facts as they are, they can move their shows onto Comedy Central. Oh wait; there's too much truthiness and actual news going on over there.

Lastly, I don't hate Glenn Beck or O'Reilly, but I don't like how the network handles them. This is Fox News, meaning that anything that's NOT news shouldn't be on there. Especially given how unrealistic and non-fact-based those two people can be sometimes. I would be perfectly happy if those two were moved to another channel that didn't have the word "News" plastered all over it.

Good points. But with your last point, Fox has a different model then say CNN. Fox is personality based. They get someone and build a show around them. CNN has the show and hires people for the show. That's why Fox gets better ratings. The people doing the shows are more like an average person instead of some robot just doing the news. Is this wrong for a news network, possibly but it makes Fox more money.

 

[likalaruku]

I hate all american news, I don't trust any of them, but I hate Fox the most. They're all out-of-touch ratings driven tabloid bastards who put emphasis on the wrong things, lie, embarass themselves, & take small things too far. I know the news in England sucks too, but our news is so bad, they make fun of Fox & the others too.

& then there's out commercials...They like, make up BS charts professionals scoff at, give terrible scripts to actors who pretend to be real people, they make obviously bogus before & after shots, & try to sell you shit that can kill you, like birth control piills that cause fatal bloodclots or cures that give you an illness you didn't have before.

::Blah blah, it's a conspiracy blah blah they want to keep us stupid blah blah::

 

[Billion Backs]

I watched a few things, and while they are funny enough, anyone who really supports the views and opinions shown on most fox programs must be pretty retarded.

And don't give me some "opinion" bullshit. There's a line one can draw when it comes to society. Sure, overall, nothing's right and wrong, but if we're going to pretend to have anything close to a successful society that doesn't try too hard to turn its members into slaves, there are a few groups that obviously should be kicked the fuck out.

Glenn Beck, for example. And probably much of his audience who aren't just doing it for the lulz.

But then again, I find much of the really left-biased information almost as annoying. Although they tend to rely less on religion and "traditional values", so it's not as bad.

And from my somewhat limited experience with Fox News, they are as much to the concept of news as "spiritual healers" are to the concept of, you know, actual health care and not bullshitting.

I don't know what bias I have. Probably individualistic/egotistic anarchist/libertarian with a bit of nihilism mixed in, pick and choose whichever. Much of the left pisses me off, although the right usually gets me with their "traditional values".

 

[likalaruku]

Bias. Plain and simple. Fox doesn't set out to report the facts as they are. It sets out to portray stories in the way which reflects best upon their right wing and mostly Republican viewpoint.

Read my post. Name an American news network that doesn't have a bias.

BBC World News America is possibly the closest thing.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

-"I hate Glenn Beck/O'Reilly because..."
Wow, just wow. These are opinion shows. They relate topics to their opinions and run a show off of them. Theses shows are not hard news shows that are meant to be taken as fact. So essentially the reason is they just disagree with them. Why single these guys out? Plenty of other shows on other networks are opinion based. Hell, the President states his opinion all the time, and I disagree most of the time. Does this make me hate him with a passion? No, I respect him just don't agree with him.

The fact that they're "opinion shows" might be legitimate except for one point, their target demographic DOES NOT REGARD THEM AS OPINION SHOWS. I have my beefs with O'Reilly, but he's not the worst, that award goes to Glen Beck (though I think Rush Limbaugh is just as bad as Beck [he's not on Fox, but he's from the same genre]). The problem is that ignorant violent hateful and all around societally destructive groups, case in point here would be the Tea Bagger movement, draw a lot from these shows. Now, don't get me wrong here, you do have some points that the left has some challengers, on more than one occasion I've felt that Keith Olbermann has crossed some lines, that said, even Olbermann does not stirr up the sort of dangerous hatred that Beck does.

My point is that the problem with these shows is that they are part of an increasingly dangerous (and by dangerous I mean militant) counter-culture, that on the whole they do a lot of damage, and that they stand very much in the way of making this world a better place.

The problem is that the difference between left and right is MASSIVE!!! Go back 40 years. Way less of a division. I really think that this is a very big problem in the country. The left is so far left and the right is so far right. No one listens to each other because of it. So when we have a President who is very far left, the very far right will get angry. Blaming Glenn Beck and the ilk wont help. It was going to happen anyway.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Good points. But with your last point, Fox has a different model then say CNN. Fox is personality based. They get someone and build a show around them. CNN has the show and hires people for the show. That's why Fox gets better ratings. The people doing the shows are more like an average person instead of some robot just doing the news. Is this wrong for a news network, possibly but it makes Fox more money.

Lol, "average person?" The average person in America certainly isn't some rich jackass with crazy conspiracy theories somehow linking Nazi Germany to Socialism and then back to Obama.

...

Well, the average person isn't rich, anyway.

Not the point. The point is the person is more "down to earth" and can be related to the viewer better.

 

[Nerdygamer89]

Fox News is just there to tell conservatives what they want to hear 24/7. Yes, I do watch it, and yes, I do hate it. The real problem, though? All news channels are just as bad. Just like every other form of media, news networks need viewers to survive, thus they become more about entertainment and political party ass-kissing than actual news. Fox News is biased, and they do spin their stories to the right because their target demographic is the hardcore conservative.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

It's horribly opinionated. When i watch the news, i want facts, not to be scared into obedience by Bill O'reilly's floppy face.

 

[Kaymish]

i have watched it a few times but it just wasn't as funny as the other comedy news channels that are out there and i just dont trust americans for anything so id rather watch the BBC or TVNZ or the couple of Australian channels that are out there for proper news

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is the bit that struck me.

Fox is personality based. They get someone and build a show around them. CNN has the show and hires people for the show. That's why Fox gets better ratings. The people doing the shows are more like an average person instead of some robot just doing the news. Is this wrong for a news network, possibly but it makes Fox more money.

So, Fox News is really just a reality show? A stand-up show? If it presented itself as that, I could quite happily watch it.

Well, apart from loathing reality shows, but at least I wouldn't get bothered by it.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Lots of people are talking about the opinion based stuff. But what about shows like Special Report or Fox Report? Bret Baier and Shepard Smith do hard news shows. These are the ones with the least spin. Key word "least".

 

[Good morning blues]

Fox News mixes reporting with commentary. It's one thing to be a right-wing news network; it is quite another to be a right-wing news network whose slogan is "fair and balanced." CNN may have pioneered the techniques that are destroying the fourth estate, but Fox is the network that perfected them.

 

[ENKC]

Bias. Plain and simple. Fox doesn't set out to report the facts as they are. It sets out to portray stories in the way which reflects best upon their right wing and mostly Republican viewpoint.

Read my post. Name an American news network that doesn't have a bias.

Oh I did read your post. The bias on Fox News is many orders of magnitude more pronounced than on other networks. Not least as a function of their 'different model' as you have discussed below. Building a network on personalities is good for entertainment, but not for news. Unfortunately, presenting facts in an objective manner requires a dispassionate and neutral delivery ('robotic' even), which is the style they're actively seeking to avoid. Especially with their O'Reilly's and so forth.

Hate is a bit strong of a word. I'd say that I'm... immensely annoyed and emotionally disturbed by Fox News.

As to the reasons of why I "hate" Fox News, it mostly comes down to me not liking the sensationalism and over-exaggeration of just about EVERYTHING it reports on. It also completely f*cked up the approach of "fair and balanced". Most notably, there are some issues that just don't have two reasonable viewpoints. There's no need to be "balanced" to those things. In fact, in a lot of cases you have to give up fairness in order to achieve balance, and vice versa.

Now, one more thing to keep in mind is that I've not once said that any other American news channels are good (perhaps less awful, but none of them are good). My criticisms extend to just about every American news channel. They can learn a few things from the BBC.

Also, there is no defence for A NEWS CHANNEL presenting non-facts as facts. IT IS THEIR JOB TO PRESENT THE FACTS WHENEVER POSSIBLE! If they're not going to present facts as they are, they can move their shows onto Comedy Central. Oh wait; there's too much truthiness and actual news going on over there.

Lastly, I don't hate Glenn Beck or O'Reilly, but I don't like how the network handles them. This is Fox News, meaning that anything that's NOT news shouldn't be on there. Especially given how unrealistic and non-fact-based those two people can be sometimes. I would be perfectly happy if those two were moved to another channel that didn't have the word "News" plastered all over it.

Good points. But with your last point, Fox has a different model then say CNN. Fox is personality based. They get someone and build a show around them. CNN has the show and hires people for the show. That's why Fox gets better ratings. The people doing the shows are more like an average person instead of some robot just doing the news. Is this wrong for a news network, possibly but it makes Fox more money.

 

[Toriver]

The media, as a whole, annoys me. There honestly is not an unbiased news outlet remaining in this country. Although, I can't blame Fox News for going after the right wing viewers when everyone else plays to the left wing ones. But being somewhere in between, I can't help but feel a bit neglected. At least I would, if I actually cared.

Republican, Democrats, Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal. It's all a big, fat waste of time. And anyone who deludes themselves into thinking that any politician or media outlet actually cares about the people should seriously help themselves to a dose of common sense.

Walter Cronkite, we miss you sir. No newsman will ever match your trustworthyness.

P.S. Threads like these belong in Religion and Politics.

QFT. And with most young people being generally left-wing, it comes as no surprise then that most of them would find something against Fox News. If most young people were right-wing, they would probably be bashing the hell out of MSNBC, the Fox News of the left. Most people will probably respond to this saying that MSNBC is better because "they don't hide the facts or mis-inform", which is true, if you have a left-wing worldview and get most of your information from left-wing news sources. It would be nice to have a truly un-biased news source, but they don't exist and will never exist. So we put up with the Foxes and the MSNBCs of the world and either do our best to weed through the spin and find the real information, or sit back and enjoy the spin we agree with. I don't really "hate" any news source; I just live with them.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

The media, as a whole, annoys me. There honestly is not an unbiased news outlet remaining in this country. Although, I can't blame Fox News for going after the right wing viewers when everyone else plays to the left wing ones. But being somewhere in between, I can't help but feel a bit neglected. At least I would, if I actually cared.

Republican, Democrats, Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal. It's all a big, fat waste of time. And anyone who deludes themselves into thinking that any politician or media outlet actually cares about the people should seriously help themselves to a dose of common sense.

Walter Cronkite, we miss you sir. No newsman will ever match your trustworthyness.

P.S. Threads like these belong in Religion and Politics.

QFT. And with most young people being generally left-wing, it comes as no surprise then that most of them would find something against Fox News. If most young people were right-wing, they would probably be bashing the hell out of MSNBC, the Fox News of the left. Most people will probably respond to this saying that MSNBC is better because "they don't hide the facts or mis-inform", which is true, if you have a left-wing worldview and get most of your information from left-wing news sources. It would be nice to have a truly un-biased news source, but they don't exist and will never exist. So we put up with the Foxes and the MSNBCs of the world and either do our best to weed through the spin and find the real information, or sit back and enjoy the spin we agree with. I don't really "hate" any news source; I just live with them.

This is exactly what I think. I just don't think that the animosity towards Fox is fully justified when other networks do the same stuff but have a different view. It's incredibly stupid to be so divided that every piece of news we hear is skewed and distorted just because we want Obama to look good/bad. Bleh. I just watch Fox because it's generally more entertaining and yes, I like hearing what I agree with, but I do check the facts from time to time. If I checked everything they said, that would be a full time job.

 

[Popadomus Ohio]

i despise their right wing neo-con garbage from the very bottom of my soul.