Poll: Homeopathy - Is it Bollocks?

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Snotnarok

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The mind is a very powerful thing, and with enough thought, focus and time you can think a lot of things away.

You think those magnetic bracelets actually work? Of course they do, you MAKE them work by thinking and hoping they will. Without that though, no they're useless, unless you want to hang something on your fridge.
 

TheIronRuler

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Snotnarok said:
The mind is a very powerful thing, and with enough thought, focus and time you can think a lot of things away.

You think those magnetic bracelets actually work? Of course they do, you MAKE them work by thinking and hoping they will. Without that though, no they're useless, unless you want to hang something on your fridge.
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Magnetic Bracelets? You do understand what we are talking about, right?
If you want to bring other topics to light be my guest.
 

Zen Toombs

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J-meMalone said:
The number of people disagreeing with homeopathy is diluting the argument of those who agree, thereby making it stronger!




Cavan said:
I really do hope the person that voted no was trolling, for their sake.
Problem?
 

Evil Smurf

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my brother does homoeopathy once a week.....wait, I meant he goes swimming. It is all the same thing right?
 

Evil Smurf

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I found this image on 9GAG
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4101579_460s.jpg
 

TehCookie

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Daystar Clarion said:
It is utter bollocks.

Any claim that it works can, at best, be attributed to a placebo effect.
Does that mean it works though? Even if it is just an object used to trigger self hypnosis/an illusion (I'm getting better, I need to relax, etc) wouldn't that be working?
 

ablac

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Homeopathy is so stupid im impressed people are able to con others out of money for it. Hell the bloke who invented it said that it was best as a placebo. Peddling it really should be a crime since it stops people seeking real treatment and I wouldnt be too surprised had someone died because of it. People cite anecdotes and whilst it may seem convincing there is no evidence or even sense in Homeopathy and you can explain each one with the placebo effect. Leave it to doctors to do the doctoring not the ejit with a my first chemistry kid.
 

ablac

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TehCookie said:
Daystar Clarion said:
It is utter bollocks.

Any claim that it works can, at best, be attributed to a placebo effect.
Does that mean it works though? Even if it is just an object used to trigger self hypnosis/an illusion (I'm getting better, I need to relax, etc) wouldn't that be working?
It may well work however that simply means the patient is easily convinced by anything since homeopathy itself does nothing and makes no sense to anyone (it has no religious or scientific background so I cant understnad why people believe in it. If a sugar pill was released tommorow claiming to cure any disease or ailment you cant be sure some people would be cured by the placebo effect. The persons mind cures them not the treatment. It would be fine if the people who sold it didnt make a bucket load for it and the treatment didnt stop people seeking help when they needed it and would be better of with it. You can bet some people have died out of choosing homeopathy over real treatment.
 

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TehCookie said:
Daystar Clarion said:
It is utter bollocks.

Any claim that it works can, at best, be attributed to a placebo effect.
Does that mean it works though? Even if it is just an object used to trigger self hypnosis/an illusion (I'm getting better, I need to relax, etc) wouldn't that be working?
By that logic, anything that won't make you worse is a cure. If a friend has a cold, or a headache, or a toothache or whatever, and I give him sugar pills (there's your placebo) and tell him they're Neurofen (ibuprofen tablets here in Australia) and he feels better, did the sugar cure him? Should sugar be prescribed by doctors for cluster headaches? Fuck no. The idea or "knowledge" that he was taking a cure can, in itself, be a cure thanks to a few different psychological phenomena, and occasionally even our bodies do get healthier. That doesn't mean the trigger for this trick, the placebo itself, is medically viable, or even relevant.
I'm also going to leave this site here. I'm surprised it hasn't been posted yet.
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
 

EmperorSubcutaneous

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I had one experience with it.

I'd had TMJ (temporomandibular joint disorder--partially dislocated lower jaw leading to painful cracking) for several years. At one point I went to a singing workshop at a doctor's office (long story) and I happened to tell him about my problem. He gave me a free bottle of homeopathic TMJ remedy, so I sprayed it on my jaw because I figured "What's the harm?" My TMJ was gone instantly, and I haven't had it for 6 years.

I still think it's almost certainly nonsense, but even if it was just a placebo effect, I'm glad my TMJ was cured for free.
 

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Personally I don't believe in it but I also don't believe in most forms of medication.

Your body develops things that can fight disease and infection called anti-bodies or something (I dunno and don't care if I'm wrong...I'm not a doctor). I am rarely sick and whenever I am sick I mostly avoid medication (unless it is completely necessary, like its too painful without it).

I have friends who take medication at the slightest cough or headache and they are constantly sick. I have a friend who practices homeopathy and she is rarely sick. I don't do either and I am rarely sick. So I would rank them like this...

1. Let your body do its own thing (it'll make you better)
2. Homeopathy
3. Over-use of medication (not overdose, just like taking a Panadol cos you have a slight headache)

In theory Homeopathy makes sense...vaccines to snake/spider bites, mad cow disease etc. all contain a trace amount of the venom/virus. Your body remembers what is 'bad' (cos it knows what made you sick) and destroys all future 'bad stuff' before it makes you sick again.

People who take medication all the time get sick more often cos they aren't letting their body do its job. Thus makes them weaker and more reliant on medication.
 

khiliani

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yay! reason seems to be winning, at least over this.

Homeopathy is well documented to be bullshit when it comes to medicine, but what i find most concerning is that there are people who have phds in administering homeopathy treatments...
 

smithy_2045

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It is complete and utter bollocks. No better than a placebo.


Although, if I recall correctly, placebos often cause a statistically significant improvement themselves, which is just weird.
 

Yopaz

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WolfThomas said:
This sums up how I feel about homeopathy
Homeopathy is an ancient healing science invented in the late 18th century. Homeopaths understand the law of similars and and the law of infinitesimals. If a substance can create a symptom, the same substance given in very dilute solution has an opposite, therapeutic effect. For instance, homeopathic preparations of coffee are used as a treatment for insomnia. Homeopathic remedies are often diluted to such a degree that not a single molecule of the active ingredient remains, however, the memory of the original substance alters the energetic field of the solvent, enhancing the therapeutic effect.

It has recently been discovered that the principles of homeopathy can be applied to firefighting. Sodium is an alkali metal. In its elemental form it is highly reactive, and will spontaneously burst into flame when exposed to moisture. A homeopathic preparation of sodium (200C or 1 part sodium in 100²ºº parts water) is an excellent remedy for combustion. In accordance with the law of infinitesimals, higher dilutions are even more effective. In a recent study, fires treated with homeopathic sodium were extinguished much faster, and caused significantly less structural damage than untreated fire
Daystar Clarion said:
Any claim that it works can, at best, be attributed to a placebo effect.
Plus the principle of "regression to the mean". Basically that most of the time, if you do feel sick you will end up getting better of your own accord. So taking it and getting better is correlation not causation.
That quoted part there. Simply brilliant, may I ask where you found that?


pearcinator said:
In theory Homeopathy makes sense...vaccines to snake/spider bites, mad cow disease etc. all contain a trace amount of the venom/virus. Your body remembers what is 'bad' (cos it knows what made you sick) and destroys all future 'bad stuff' before it makes you sick again.

People who take medication all the time get sick more often cos they aren't letting their body do its job. Thus makes them weaker and more reliant on medication.
Decent post for someone who doesn't have complete understanding in molecular biology, but allow me to give you a few pointers.

Mad cow disease can not be treated as far as I know and it's not caused by a virus, but rather by a group of defective proteins called prions. These prions will in turn transform working proteins to prions while the immune system is trying to break down all of the prions thus the immune system will start breaking down the central nerve system.

Vaccines do not carry small traces of "the bad stuff" they carry inactive pathogens which presents the anti-gen so that the B-cells will create anti-bodies and memory cells so the real pathogen can be taken care of more quickly in the case of future exposure.

The medicines you are talking about aren't taking over the immune system's job and making it weaker. The immune system doesn't need exercise. The reason why people who overuse medications often get sick more often is because most non-prescription medicines repress the immune system. If you cough, have a runny nose, a rash and/or a fever you feel pretty sick. That's not because you got an infection, that is the result of the immune system fighting an infection. If you find the feeling too unpleasant you might take an ibuprofen to lower the fever and get some relief, but at the cost of your immune system working to a lower degree.

As for the rest, I think 90% of what's wrong with you will pass by itself. However if what's wrong with you is within those 10% then it can be very dangerous not to treat it. You might not trust medicine, but because of it small pox is extinct, tuberculosis is a low risk disease (if you live in the wealthy part of the world) and gonorrhea is now nearing extinction. The idea behind homeopathy might be good, but apart from the fact that all you're getting out of it is water and a placebo effect it fails to account for that some chemicals are dangerous even in untraceable fractions.

Edit: Sorry for the wall of text. No need to read all of it unless you are interested
 

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ablac said:
brunothepig said:
I didn't even mention a cure/curing, I said if something does what you were told it was suppose to do does that mean it worked? When I typed self hypnosis/an illusion I meant I know it doesn't do shit physically, it's all in the person's head. So taking out the object does the power of suggestion work? Of course it's not going to cure cancer, but what about little headaches brune mentioned and silly things like that.
 

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Yopaz said:
That quoted part there. Simply brilliant, may I ask where you found that?
Pretty funny april fools day article from Science-based medicine.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/integrative-fire-fighting/
 

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Vuliev said:
Daystar Clarion said:
It is utter bollocks.

Any claim that it works can, at best, be attributed to a placebo effect.
This, straight and true.

The concept that consuming very, very, very dilute solutions of anything could in any way help fight disease is completely preposterous.
Indeed. Homeopaths should actually object to cleaning anything, since removing most of the dirt makes things actually more dirty, according to their own reasoning.

Also, water treatment plants. If anything in low concentration is more potent than in high concentrations, I would not want to drink tap water. Any water, actually.
 

Yopaz

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WolfThomas said:
Yopaz said:
That quoted part there. Simply brilliant, may I ask where you found that?
Pretty funny april fools day article from Science-based medicine.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/integrative-fire-fighting/
Thank you very much. I can't wait to read this article when I get the time for it. This really made my day, I appreciate it.