Poll: how do YOU feel about thunderf00t

[crudus]

I agree with his points just not necessarily his presentation.

I dont get the "troll" thing, this seems perfectly reasonable for dealing with idiots to me

I think they refer to his lack of tact for either effect or comedic effect.

 

[Ampersand]

The reason it's less ok when he makes those statements about say Islam then when he makes them about creationists, is because, creationists are a sub group within the religions, and Islam is an entire religion. Similarly, the Muslims who go ape shit in the Middle East or Indonesia (places that aren't exactly wellsprings of rationality) when to comes to their faith DO NOT represent the Muslims in the West, but TF is constantly taking the actions of people in THOSE places, and he tries to apply them to the Muslims HERE. You can say that Creationists aren't rational when they live in scientifically advanced places like the UK or whatever, but still they refuse to believe a word of it, but you cannot say that all Muslims are irrational if the only example you're going to use are people who live in a country where fanaticism is practically required by law. Now if he had pointed to some kind of mass protest in America or Western Europe that is similar to those found in the Middle East, then he might have a better position, but he didn't, so he doesn't.

No offence but that's a cop-out and you know it. Are you trying to say that Muslim countries are some kind of lost cause and if they threaten our right to free speech then it's fine because they don't know any better?(Not to mention the violations of human rights that the muslim faith inflicts upon it's own members)No one is immune to criticism.

FYI: Muslims are chreationists, even in western countries. Which is irrelevant because faith by it's nature is irrational so claiming that one religious group is more rational then another is a moot point.

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

 

[Ampersand]

He's the poster child for why I tolerate religious zealots more than I tolerate atheists. I'd rather have someone yelling at me why their god is better than my gods than someone who suggests I have an intellectual deficiency for being a man of strong faith.

Take a quick look through history and then ask yourself which group you'd rather tolerate.
I'd like to think it would be the one that yells about education and the betterment of man kind, rather then the one that yells about genocide and eternal damnation.

 

[kickyourass]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

 

[DanielDeFig]

never heard of him. i looked into a video or two of his for this post, and he seems like an intelligent, rational, logical guy when making his argument. No angry tantrums about why he's right and you're wrong, etc. Thank you, im gonna have A LOT of fun checking out his videos (starting with the Ray Comfort discussion).

BTW: i dont know this guy, which videos are his most famous ones? which ones come to mind when you think of him? Just so i can be on the same page.

 

[Skorpyo]

I dont get the "troll" thing, this seems perfectly reasonable for dealing with idiots to me

Wow. I'm a creationist (Christian, of course), and I do believe that the man he disproves in that video is incredibly retarded as well.

It's not just because he is creationist. He's just an idiot.

 

[Jkudo]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Believe it or not a lot of the things attributed to islam, were created after the Quran was written.
eh this guy bores me. I'm watching his video on burning the Quran, too many holes. He says that the reaction from the president of Indonesia suggests that simply muslims feel that they have the right to push laws on people, which is why the president said it was a threat to world peace. He doesn't take into account that the effect on the U.S's image would have an affect on world relations. Saying that it's a threat to world peace, isn't saying that muslims are going to attack you, it implies a lot. Hamper diplomacy, encourage real extremists, etc. There are lots of reasons why its a bad idea, not just because the Islamic world says its against the law. Islam is a large religion and the followers of it would not look kindly upon Americans. They probably won't try to punish us, but it would be wrong to say it wouldn't have an affect.

I'm sick of atheist anyway, too many guys who think they know it all. Agnostic is the way to go .
Oh and religion isn't as irrational as many people try to treat it. The base is logical, people have questions that logic can't answer so they look for answers beyond that. It makes sense for people to be religious, otherwise there would be less of them. Humans are rational by nature and although i'm not religious myself i've seen people who are in terrible positions cling to religion, and i couldn't imagine for a second trying to force them to believe that there is no God. It would just be wrong, no matter what you believe in, if i see a person like that, many times God is all they have why would i attempt to take it away from them?

 

[Jkudo]

He's the poster child for why I tolerate religious zealots more than I tolerate atheists. I'd rather have someone yelling at me why their god is better than my gods than someone who suggests I have an intellectual deficiency for being a man of strong faith.

Exactly. I really don't want to hear about how stupid the rest of the world is for believing in religion. How you are a more evolved being(paraphrasing)lol.

 

[Worgen]

I just watched a few of his videos expecting a troll but he actually seems like a very intelligent guy.

It's common for Christians to see Atheistic videos as "attacks" on your beliefs but you have to get used to the fact that they're usually being perfectly reasonable.

seems like they understand how weak the beliefs are on their own so they counter attack as soon as any type of questioning goes on, lest their flimsy, yet comfortable beliefs are laid bare and forced aside

 

[Dexiro]

I just watched a few of his videos expecting a troll but he actually seems like a very intelligent guy.

It's common for Christians to see Atheistic videos as "attacks" on your beliefs but you have to get used to the fact that they're usually being perfectly reasonable.

seems like they understand how weak the beliefs are on their own so they counter attack as soon as any type of questioning goes on, lest their flimsy, yet comfortable beliefs are laid bare and forced aside

You don't tell them that though, it just makes them more angry!

They'll never face the facts upfront, not that i blame them, so better to just plant a few doubts in their mind and hope it grows.

Arguments on the Atheist side of things are actually quite enjoyable, religious people avoid convincing arguments like the plague!
Know what happens every time i post in a religious argument? No-one quotes... ever x3

 

[Worgen]

I just watched a few of his videos expecting a troll but he actually seems like a very intelligent guy.

It's common for Christians to see Atheistic videos as "attacks" on your beliefs but you have to get used to the fact that they're usually being perfectly reasonable.

seems like they understand how weak the beliefs are on their own so they counter attack as soon as any type of questioning goes on, lest their flimsy, yet comfortable beliefs are laid bare and forced aside

You don't tell them that though, it just makes them more angry!

They'll never face the facts upfront, not that i blame them, so better to just plant a few doubts in their mind and hope it grows.

Arguments on the Atheist side of things are actually quite enjoyable, religious people avoid convincing arguments like the plague!
Know what happens every time i post in a religious argument? No-one quotes... ever x3

they seem to really know how loose their side of it is so they tend to get angry fast, I mean look at this thread, seems like more then a few ppl are calling him a troll despite the fact I cant really find any vids of him doing anything troll like (granted I only watched a few) but for the most part hes pretty low key compared to someone like theamazingatheist on youtube

 

[Allevil]

I think he's pretty awesome. The only time I've ever really disagreed with his was on "Draw Mohammed Day". The point was to draw something so inoffensive that a reaction to it would rightfully be seen as absurd. Sadly, he went way overboard, and entirely missed the point.

 

[DaisukeVulgar]

I personally like him. Far more than TheAmazingAtheist, who should be considered the troll of the YouTube Atheist community.

TF raises good points and doesn't just talk about one religion or sect, he speaks about them in general. I've seen a lot of his recent videos have complaints because they're about Muslims. Is it a taboo subject? It would be more biased to not include all religions.

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

never heard of him....so i don't care.

 

[Dexiro]

I just watched a few of his videos expecting a troll but he actually seems like a very intelligent guy.

It's common for Christians to see Atheistic videos as "attacks" on your beliefs but you have to get used to the fact that they're usually being perfectly reasonable.

seems like they understand how weak the beliefs are on their own so they counter attack as soon as any type of questioning goes on, lest their flimsy, yet comfortable beliefs are laid bare and forced aside

You don't tell them that though, it just makes them more angry!

They'll never face the facts upfront, not that i blame them, so better to just plant a few doubts in their mind and hope it grows.

Arguments on the Atheist side of things are actually quite enjoyable, religious people avoid convincing arguments like the plague!
Know what happens every time i post in a religious argument? No-one quotes... ever x3

they seem to really know how loose their side of it is so they tend to get angry fast, I mean look at this thread, seems like more then a few ppl are calling him a troll despite the fact I cant really find any vids of him doing anything troll like (granted I only watched a few) but for the most part hes pretty low key compared to someone like theamazingatheist on youtube

If you take a step back you can see it from a mile off in every argument. The arguments against Christianity are pretty solid; i'd be pretty pissed too if i heard the beliefs I'd dedicated my life too were being thrown away, but like i first said people have to learn to accept it.

These days the arguments against religion are so strong religious people are commonly resorting to childish insults. The only times they get an argument in edge-ways is when the Atheist on the receiving end wasn't quite up to scratch.

You should of seen the comment box for the article saying that Stephen Hawking had proved that God wasn't needed for the creation of the universe. Every single comment was just insults towards poor Stephen Hawking, they didn't even address what was in the article.

 

[Worgen]

I just watched a few of his videos expecting a troll but he actually seems like a very intelligent guy.

It's common for Christians to see Atheistic videos as "attacks" on your beliefs but you have to get used to the fact that they're usually being perfectly reasonable.

seems like they understand how weak the beliefs are on their own so they counter attack as soon as any type of questioning goes on, lest their flimsy, yet comfortable beliefs are laid bare and forced aside

You don't tell them that though, it just makes them more angry!

They'll never face the facts upfront, not that i blame them, so better to just plant a few doubts in their mind and hope it grows.

Arguments on the Atheist side of things are actually quite enjoyable, religious people avoid convincing arguments like the plague!
Know what happens every time i post in a religious argument? No-one quotes... ever x3

they seem to really know how loose their side of it is so they tend to get angry fast, I mean look at this thread, seems like more then a few ppl are calling him a troll despite the fact I cant really find any vids of him doing anything troll like (granted I only watched a few) but for the most part hes pretty low key compared to someone like theamazingatheist on youtube

If you take a step back you can see it from a mile off in every argument. The arguments against Christianity are pretty solid; i'd be pretty pissed too if i heard the beliefs I'd dedicated my life too were being thrown away, but like i first said people have to learn to accept it.

These days the arguments against religion are so strong religious people are commonly resorting to childish insults. The only times they get an argument in edge-ways is when the Atheist on the receiving end wasn't quite up to scratch.

You should of seen the comment box for the article saying that Stephen Hawking had proved that God wasn't needed for the creation of the universe. Every single comment was just insults towards poor Stephen Hawking, they didn't even address what was in the article.

thats the thing, if someone manages to prove god, your no longer an atheist, your in denial, altho that goes for allot of religions, and really is probably the best proof of the fabricated nature of religion, that there have been so many

 

[Dexiro]

thats the thing, if someone manages to prove god, your no longer an atheist, your in denial, altho that goes for allot of religions, and really is probably the best proof of the fabricated nature of religion, that there have been so many

I think for pretty much all Atheists accepting God wouldn't be a big deal, we just need solid evidence, which is something everyone should need.
I mean if i followed the Jedi religion you'd call me an idiot, there's 0 evidence for it and a ton against it, but really is that any different with Christianity?

I'd say more about their being different religions but Christianity is the only one i know stuff about
It does seem pretty glaring that there's been like 100 different religions through history and they all thought their was the only true way.

 

[Worgen]

thats the thing, if someone manages to prove god, your no longer an atheist, your in denial, altho that goes for allot of religions, and really is probably the best proof of the fabricated nature of religion, that there have been so many

I think for pretty much all Atheists accepting God wouldn't be a big deal, we just need solid evidence, which is something everyone should need.
I mean if i followed the Jedi religion you'd call me an idiot, there's 0 evidence for it and a ton against it, but really is that any different with Christianity?

I'd say more about their being different religions but Christianity is the only one i know stuff about
It does seem pretty glaring that there's been like 100 different religions through history and they all thought their was the only true way.

there has been alot more then that, I mean hell christianity is to fractured that different sects of it could be called different religions, really the only common thread with alot of them is that they all seem to believe in some guy named jesus despite a lack of historical evidence for him