Poll: how do YOU feel about thunderf00t

[Keepitclean]

I absolutely adore him. He made a name for himself when he completely owned some [mentally deficient] creationist named VenomFangX, and he's been tearing into religion like Bill Maher at Jesus Camp ever since. I don't always agree with the things he says, but I've never gone "hey, that's dishonest/incorrect"; if he's speaking the truth, I don't even consider him a troll. Especially not when so patient, polite and courteous. I think he just takes it upon himself to be pedantic.

Thunderf00t <3

EDIT: Here. See for yourself.

I agree with you 100%. He is outspoken on touchy subjects, someone has to be. He has never been dishonest in his videos. He may have appeared bigoted in one of his videos about the Ground 0 mosque but that was because people didn't listen to the most important part of the video.

 

[ServebotFrank]

Isn't this the same guy who went apeshit on the muslims because of "Draw Muhammad day"? I recall he once said "THE Muslims have gone too far."

 

[Ampersand]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Quit being thick with me I know that people who live in different parts of the world are different. That's why i said that my point was more valid when made with reference to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
You seem to be claiming that some relgious groups are fine just because their members are less crazy then others, but i don't buy that.

 

[kickyourass]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Quit being thick with me I know that people who live in different parts of the world are different. That's why i said that my point was more valid when made with reference to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
You seem to be claiming that some relgious groups are fine just because their members are less crazy then others, but i don't buy that.

You're the one who asked "What difference does it make where they live," and I answered that question, YOU were the one being thick when you asked the question. And while there are certainly nutty people in Western Countries is NOT a valid statement if you say something to the effect of "This group of people is crazy" but show a completely different group of people to back that statement up, that's all I've been trying to say.

and while it isn't something I remember claiming, I certainly agree with that, people (Religious or otherwise) who DON'T strap bombs to themselves and others, are generally better for everyone then people who do. Would you not agree?

 

[Ampersand]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Quit being thick with me I know that people who live in different parts of the world are different. That's why i said that my point was more valid when made with reference to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
You seem to be claiming that some relgious groups are fine just because their members are less crazy then others, but i don't buy that.

You're the one who asked "What difference does it make where they live," and I answered that question, YOU were the one being thick when you asked the question. And while there are certainly nutty people in Western Countries is NOT a valid statement if you say something to the effect of "This group of people is crazy" but show a completely different group of people to back that statement up, that's all I've been trying to say.

and while it isn't something I remember claiming, I certainly agree with that, people (Religious or otherwise) who DON'T strap bombs to themselves and others, are generally better for everyone then people who do. Would you not agree?

We've been going back and forth for days now and you're still completely missing my point. Honestly if i have to explain what a rhetorical question is then i'm just wasting my time here.

You are grasping to a point that some theists are better then others, which is completely irrelevent. Some forms of cancer are better then others but that doesn't mean they should be ignored.
Do you think that someone should be aloud to spread as much hate and fear as they want as long as they don't try to blow up your house?

 

[Ampersand]

Errasing this one. I only posted it because i thought the first one failed.

 

[kickyourass]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Quit being thick with me I know that people who live in different parts of the world are different. That's why i said that my point was more valid when made with reference to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
You seem to be claiming that some relgious groups are fine just because their members are less crazy then others, but i don't buy that.

You're the one who asked "What difference does it make where they live," and I answered that question, YOU were the one being thick when you asked the question. And while there are certainly nutty people in Western Countries is NOT a valid statement if you say something to the effect of "This group of people is crazy" but show a completely different group of people to back that statement up, that's all I've been trying to say.

and while it isn't something I remember claiming, I certainly agree with that, people (Religious or otherwise) who DON'T strap bombs to themselves and others, are generally better for everyone then people who do. Would you not agree?

We've been going back and forth for days now and you're still completely missing my point. Honestly if i have to explain what a rhetorical question is then i'm just wasting my time here.

You are grasping to a point that some theists are better then others, which is completely irrelevent. Some forms of cancer are better then others but that doesn't mean they should be ignored.
Do you think that someone should be aloud to spread as much hate and fear as they want as long as they don't try to blow up your house?

I know what a rhetorical question is, and you seem to not even LISTEN to half of what my actual point is, so I agree there's little point to continuing this.

 

[Ampersand]

Of course I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you're trying to say that the Muslims in Western countries are irrational, you can't use Muslims in Middle Eastern countries to back that up. Not only because they aren't Western countries, but they are also the most extreme members of the religion, and you can't judge an entire group of people just from the craziest of the crazy within that group.

Oh and FYI: I'm not an idiot I know that there are Muslim creationists, at what point did I say anything to indicate otherwise?

What diffence does it make where they live? They all believe in magic,(not rational) and they all advocate the same religion regardless of how extreme they are. If anything my point is even more valid when refering to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
All religion is a problem(regardless of how "crazy" it's members are) and the only solution to that problem is education, that's true no matter who you are or where you are in the world.

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different cultures! Are you really saying that you see no difference between a man who lives in America, and a man who lives in Iraq? There are HUGE differences, just as there are differences between the WBC and the Church on England. The same with an Athiest in Poland and an Atheist in Japan, people raised on complete opposite sides of the world are going to be different because their cultures are different. Do you really not grasp that concept?

Quit being thick with me I know that people who live in different parts of the world are different. That's why i said that my point was more valid when made with reference to people in western countries because they don't have any excuse.
You seem to be claiming that some relgious groups are fine just because their members are less crazy then others, but i don't buy that.

You're the one who asked "What difference does it make where they live," and I answered that question, YOU were the one being thick when you asked the question. And while there are certainly nutty people in Western Countries is NOT a valid statement if you say something to the effect of "This group of people is crazy" but show a completely different group of people to back that statement up, that's all I've been trying to say.

and while it isn't something I remember claiming, I certainly agree with that, people (Religious or otherwise) who DON'T strap bombs to themselves and others, are generally better for everyone then people who do. Would you not agree?

We've been going back and forth for days now and you're still completely missing my point. Honestly if i have to explain what a rhetorical question is then i'm just wasting my time here.

You are grasping to a point that some theists are better then others, which is completely irrelevent. Some forms of cancer are better then others but that doesn't mean they should be ignored.
Do you think that someone should be aloud to spread as much hate and fear as they want as long as they don't try to blow up your house?

I know what a rhetorical question is, and you seem to not even LISTEN to half of what my actual point is, so I agree there's little point to continuing this.

Fine