Poll: How Far do you Agree with Piracy?

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Hamster at Dawn

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In terms of games, I have never downloaded one. I have downloaded some TV shows in the past to see if they were any good but then bought the DVDs as a result and same goes for some music. That was quite a while ago too, I haven't pirated anything in the last year.
 

andrat

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I'm more of a console gamer, as my PC is too terrible to run most kick ass PC games.
I would think most of the games that are pirated are offline games, as online games like L4D and TF2 are, only playable if you've actually bought it.
Yes, I own these games
 

ohellynot

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apsham said:
I subscribe to the idea that most people pirate things that they would never buy in the first place.
That's how it is with me, also I asume that option C) also counts for if a game is unavailable in your country
In Europe you can't get .hack//G.U. or zenosaga parts 1 and 3. However you can get part 2 strangly enough (thought on that please)
 

fenrizz

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Personally I think that C is a given. If it is impossible, or unreasonably hard/expensive to aquire an old game, then I would download it.
On a side note of that, I think publishers should publish old games (let's just say 10+ years old) for free download on a website. Perhaps they could even work together on a site?
That would be very nice of them, and I think if any of them ever do, they would gain much "goodwill" from the gamer community.

Just my 2c.
 

Pantherman

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fenrizz said:
Personally I think that C is a given. If it is impossible, or unreasonably hard/expensive to aquire an old game, then I would download it.
On a side note of that, I think publishers should publish old games (let's just say 10+ years old) for free download on a website. Perhaps they could even work together on a site?
That would be very nice of them, and I think if any of them ever do, they would gain much "goodwill" from the gamer community.

Just my 2c.
That's the way it is with me and old music, I mean OLD 1920's-1940's old, there is NO outlet here in town that wants to sell anything serious from that age and as such torrents are the only way that I'm going to get it, would I pay for a REAL version of Benny Goodman's Tuxedo Junction (Bad example I know, I had it on a bought CD from BEst Buy, just can't come up with a more obscure song title) instead of a cheap knock off? Yes, is such a thing normally available? No.

As I have said before, Torrents have very little Black and White lines, with allot of gray in the middle.


One more thing, who here has taken a pencil from the office? a small notepad? or even one of those cheapo pens because you needed it? Well then you've stolen, you've pirated that item for yourself and have broken the law, but it's just a small thing, right?

Both sides of this issue are hypocritical, the non piraters for the most part act like they're a re-incarnation of god and have never stolen anything, the pirates want to steal everything. People themselves are a little of both, deal with it people, the world will continue to turn, items will continue to be taken irregardless of what they are and for the most part, the video game industry will continue to churn out games that aren't even worth pirating while crying about pirates.

Pantherman
 

Abedeus

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Usually C, then D, rarely E. B happened only twice, one time with Neverwinter Nights when I wanted English DVD version and I have all the games on Polish CDs (so I can't have the official 1.69 patch or install it in a short time), and the other was Diablo 2 as my LoD CD was busted and I couldn't install the expansion pack.
 

llamastorm.games

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Every game i have ever pirated from utorret i have either owned and lost it or it has been so long since the game came out it's actually impossible to find anymore.
Oh and anything usually by microsoft.
 

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ShotgunSmoke said:
If I say G, won't I get banned?
Don't worry, Im a G too.

I know it's technically theft, but I have barely £25-£35 a week at the moment to spend on myself every week and that includes my food budget. Not excusing myself, I'd probably do it anyway. I bought my PSP for the reason that I could get old games like FF7 running on it, which would have to be downloaded illegally.
 

alygishere

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You should also include I would buy them but I don't have the money and I don't have acces to new games
 

Desaari

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ShotgunSmoke said:
If I say G, won't I get banned?
As I understand it: It's alright to agree with the philosophy, but not to say you actually do it.

Personally I agree with E but not D, although I've never downloaded a game myself (internet is too crappy). Although if a demo is released you should use that instead. But yeah if you traded the game then surely you traded your "digital right" to play the game along with it?
 

D_987

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I agree with B - piracy is wrong, dead wrong, and the only justifiable reason for pirating is if your paid copy becomes unplayable.
 

Doomdiver

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I'm going to go with C. If it's not available, or if, even if you could pay for it the money wouldn't go to the developers but just end up in someone elses pocket then it is justifiable.
 

TheDoctor455

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I agree with A, because piracy is the reason that most of the video game industry treats PC players like dirt; and it's also why we ended up with SecuROM in the first place.
 

TikiShades

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C, but partially D.

If the game isn't being sold anymore, then who are you stealing from? Sure, Nintendo, you CAN release that game for the umpteenth time, but I don't feel like spending the money again.

It's not like I would pirate something NEW, or from any sort of professional pirater or something. Maybe I'd download an emulator version or something. Really only for GB games though, because console games on a computer are usually cruddy.
 
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The existing copyright system needs a radical overhaul. Intellectual property isn't a natural law; the concept of copyright has only been around in anything like its current form for a few hundred years. It was designed for a system of media distribution that doesn't exist any more, and it needs to be updated to suit the reality of the world today.

Before the invention of the printing press, the idea of restricting anyone from copying media would have seemed like madness, because every picture and drawing was at constant risk of perishing; every word copied was a victory against ignorance and the loss of information. After the printing press started to be used in Europe, the rules changed to suit the new media landscape: it cost a lot to set up a printing workshop, but once there it was relatively cheap and easy to make copies of a text, so the laws were formed to prevent publishers from stealing and totally monopolising the work of authors.

Now the media landscape has changed again. Copying media is trivial; there is virtually no cost in duplicating any form of media. Media no longer has the same scarcity value that it did. It's possible for exchanging and integrating media to be an easy, cheap, open practice, which the world would benefit greatly from. We could have a world in which both costs and prices radically decrease and creativity is allowed to flourish instead of monolithic businesses.

But lawmakers and publishing companies of all kinds are not interested in what the new creative world could be like; they're trying to hang on to the old model of copyright, that was designed for a very different media world.

The most basic business model for all industries is:

1) Produce a product that consumers can't get elsewhere as easily.
2) Sell the product at a price consumers will accept.

But the business model of games and music publishing is:

1) Take a product that consumers already can get elsewhere.
2) Stop them from getting it by making it illegal.
3) Sell it to them at the highest price they will tolerate.

This isn't a moral argument, by the way, so don't ask me how game developers will feed their families. I'm not advocating a change, I'm just pointing out the way things are. But we will all be better off ultimately if people accept the reality of modern communications instead of trying to turn back the clock.

P.S. I don't pirate games.