Poll: How many people do you know who do *not* possess a mental disorder?

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When I was growing up, I thought mental disorders were something that a minority of people had, but now I doubt I could name ten people I speak to who I know not to have one. Maybe this is due to widening of the term with gradually greater understanding and less stigmatization, but I find it a little worrying. I wonder if most people have these and simply appear to cope well with life, or if it still a minority of people and I've just tended to drift into groups personally affected by them.

I was diagnosed with Asperger's, a mild form of autism, some time before the turn of the decade, but the classification criteria were since changed and I didn't seek a second opinion. I was told that people diagnosed with this disorder have one side of their brain more highly developed than the other, and that they typically find numbers easier to deal with than the nuances of communication. I wouldn't say I suffer from it or that it that handicaps daily life, and I don't know how much of my daily behaviour it actually affects. It may have been the reason for using unusually formal or archaic language when speaking to people over the years, because I couldn't point to one specific reason why I viewed spoken or written communication like reading from a manual rather than paying attention to the specific situation to determine what was most appropriate. I was inconsistent in picking up on social cues or reading facial/body language. It has led to much misunderstanding, some playground bullying, ridicule and the sense of shame that comes with it, continuing frustration and, at its worst, some deep-seated resentment of people in general, but all of life's a learning process and I've still probably been dealt a better hand than most people. Knowing that, I feel worse if using it as an excuse for lashing out. That feels like making it someone else's problem, like trying to make a bad mood better by spreading it around, and burdening nearby people who would probably help if they could but are at a bit of a loss for how to do so. That makes it worse.

What about you? Do you have one, or know someone with one, and how has it changed your life? How do you make the best of what you have?
 

Zhukov

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Without a mental disorder? Well, um... loads? Like, the vast majority of people I know.

My whole immediate family to start with.

It could be safely assumed that someone I know has something they're keeping a lid on. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if a workmate or two had depression of anxiety issues just by dint of statistical probability. (Are we counting those? They're mental health issues but I'm not sure they count as disorders.)
 

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I think the classification criteria has broadened to such an extent that everybody has something to some degree.
 

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The pencils tell me I got a good head on my shoulders. But the fucking crayons keep calling me dull, but fuck those guys! They're just waxing philosophical!
 

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I was lucky enough to get involved with a group for young adults with Asperger's, and made lots of friends in the group... to the point where most of the people I consider my best friends come from that group and other such support groups... not sure if that's sad or not.
 

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Well, most people I know have had some sort of physical ailment at some point in their lives. Why would we treat the body, but not the mind? It's important to keep both healthy. Most people just consider mental issues to be more rare and extreme. I think we're finding that that's not the case.
 

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If they do, I dont know about it. Maybe I took on all the issues from my family though. Mainly anxiety. Also Major Depression, but I think I can fix that issue by finding happiness. I think even if everything was perfect in my life though, Id still get anxious over things other people find trivial.

And ofcourse gender dysphoria. More so that I dont even fully identify either way. Sure, I wish I was just comfortable with the body I was born with, but I dont even super want a sex-change, though I had been on the path towards that at one point. I find I dont really identify well with men OR women, they both seem different than whatever I am.
 

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Not many on this forum.

Silentpony said:
The pencils tell me I got a good head on my shoulders. But the fucking crayons keep calling me dull, but fuck those guys! They're just waxing philosophical!
I'm not a psychologist, but I think it's obvious that you have a severe case of puns. You should seek help immediately. Don't worry though, these days there are many treatment options available and you can still learn to live a fulfilling life despite your disability.
 

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There has been a large spike in the number of people diagnosed with mental health issues due to an overall effort to lessen the stigma associated with them. People are more likely to seek treatment and more likely to make that fact known to their close friends. This creates a false impression that the number of mentally ill people is increasing, when in fact it's just becoming more apparent due to changing social attitudes.

Further, people with mental health issues are more likely to associate with other people who have mental health issues - they may be related to them, or going the other way, they may have met them through therapy. Conversely, sane people are probably more likely to avoid people who set off their crazy alarms.

So I'd say that anecdotal perceptions of the question are likely to be skewed one way or the other.
 

Phasmal

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I think when you don't have mental health issues, you won't know many people with them. (I'm not sure what you class as a disorder, so I'm just gonna say issues instead).
But when you do, and other people know about it, you'll be surprised how many other people will come to you and start talking about their mental health issues.

So, yeah, I know quite a few people with mental health issues. It's not a big deal.
I mean, how many people do you know who have never been physically ill? Mental health really isn't that different. We just don't talk about it.

Therapy's pretty great, though. I'd advise anyone who was worried about their mental health in any way to get therapy if they can.
 

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I actually do believe that most people have got something to some degree - like others have pointed out, there aren't a lot of people who have never suffered a physical illness. How many people do you know that are in perfect physical health? Eat a perfect diet, exercise every day, never do anything that could be construed as unhealthy. How many of them have to actively work to maintain that life style? Have to do research and keep regimens and watch what they eat? Not a lot of people in our culture just stumble into perfect physical health without trying. So I imagine that very few people stumble into perfect mental health without trying either, especially since healthy psyches aren't quite as trendy as healthy bodies.
 

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I would say almost everyone falls on hard times at least occasionally within their life. While these people might not have chronic, debilitating mental illnesses, they can turn into such or become worse should those issues not be treated. Think about it like the common cold branching into pneumonia, except in a world where going to the doctor is majorly frowned upon.

If the diagnosis criteria expanding to include everyone to just a tiny degree is what it takes to get rid of that stigma and get those people who could seriously benefit from treatment into the doctor, then so be it.

On the subject of Asperger's specifically, I have a very good friend who grew up in a toxic environment, with the internet as his only support network. He was diagnosed at a young age and his family gave up on him, treated him like a burden and never put in any effort to teach him how to function in society. We didn't know what to do for him, he wasn't a child, so no organization would help him, we just knew he needed to be out of his environment. When I was old enough to live on my own, we made up some lie to convince his family to let him move [footnote]to be honest it wasn't that hard[/footnote], he lived with me for four years, during which time his self confidence was shot, he had severe anxiety and nightmares nightly.

At one point, the nightmares got so bad that he became sleep deprived, lost grip on reality and started hallucinating. We took him to the hospital where they backer-acted him and he spent three days there, to which he says it was the best thing that's ever happened to him because he was able to finally get the help he so desperately needed. After that, he made a plan for himself, got a job, moved out on his own and is now living independently. I still speak to him fairly regularly, he is making his way. I am very proud of him, he is one of the strongest people I know.
 

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The vast majority of people get depression at some point in their lives. However the vast majority of people recover from it.

Sidenote: this is why I think jobs that bar your entry if you have ever suffered from depression before to be absolutely stupid.
 
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It's fun for me. I have depression that tends to manifest as mood swings and super-high anxiety, and a mild manifestation of Asperger's. As in, I've been diagnosed with it, and I definitely have a tougher time socially than most people who don't have it, but I don't find myself completely unable to socialize like the serious cases of Asperger's.
 

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Zhukov said:
Without a mental disorder? Well, um... loads? Like, the vast majority of people I know.

My whole immediate family to start with.

It could be safely assumed that someone I know has something they're keeping a lid on. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if a workmate or two had depression of anxiety issues just by dint of statistical probability. (Are we counting those? They're mental health issues but I'm not sure they count as disorders.)
My knowledge is pretty limited. I did a quick search just before writing the OP, but I got the impression anxiety disorders are included under the umbrella, if they've also been diagnosed by a doc.

Silentpony said:
The pencils tell me I got a good head on my shoulders. But the fucking crayons keep calling me dull, but fuck those guys! They're just waxing philosophical!
As one mariner to another, I'm not fond of these itchy trousers, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish.
 

Myria

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It all depends on how you care to define "mental disorder", no? I mean, it doesn't take much time reading the DSM-5 to realize that many of the diagnostic criteria are vague enough and malleable enough to be applicable to just about anyone. Any competent clinician is going to draw a distinction between "could fit under this diagnostic criteria" and "clinically significant manifestation", just as few would define occasional transient depression as a "mental disorder". Still, there's a lot of room for interpretation, not to mention bias. Mental health doesn't tend to lend itself to binary diagnosis in the sense that standard medicine in many cases does -- you either have a broken bone, or you don't -- and even in standard medicine there's a lot of room for interpretation (the definition of Diabetes has changed numerous times in the last few decades).

The question of what is meant by "healthy" is one I have to often deal with and it is a lot less simple to answer than most people seem to think. As a personal trainer one of the first things I ask a client is to talk about their goals. I need to have a decent idea of what they want to achieve if I'm to craft a training program for them that will help them reach their goals. Problem is, many people don't really know what their goals are, or just don't particularly have any, and a common answer you get is "to get healthy". When asked what they mean by that most will point to myself, another trainer, some "fitsperation" model, someone on the cover of a fitness mag, whatever. Problem is, most of those people aren't really healthy, at least in a number of measurable ways, and aren't examples I'd want a client following. Body dysmorphia, eating disorders, obsessive behavior, these traits are so common in the fitness and bodybuilding world, frankly they're near required if you're going to get to the insanely low bodyfat percentages and put your body through the kinds of stresses required to get anywhere. For women especially this creates some fairly serious medical issues, and that's before getting into the use and overuse of sups and gear.

Similarly I think a lot of people have things somewhat arse backwards when it comes to mental issues. Minor issues, things that by no means rise to the level of clinically significant, get blown out of proportion more than a tad, where major issues are often missed entirely. As with the fitness world, popular culture has resulted in behaviors that are by no means healthy to be the epitome of health while ignoring the complexity of even trying to define exactly what we mean by the term. Whether one is healthy or not is more than just a question of BP, a good lipoprotein profile, and acceptable BMI (god do I hate our reliance on the overly simplistic idiocy of BMI), just as mental health is more than a question of whether you have some social anxiety, occasional forgetfulness or inattention, or occasional transient depression.
 

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Lol Mental disorders run in my family. When the Doc was asking "does depression run in your family" my mum was all "uh oh." I think she's just about recovered so if I follow suit it means only 20 more years before I'm cured! :D

People I grew up with were fine, I think. I find online friends are more vocal about their problems, partly due to it being so easy to find someone else with one.
Phasmal said:
Therapy's pretty great, though. I'd advise anyone who was worried about their mental health in any way to get therapy if they can.
Therapy is great if you're the kind of person it works for, IMO.

I've tried like 3-5 Therapists/Councillors over the years and it's done nothing for me. Any kind of behavioral recognition or positive thought change plans just fall short on me.

I can see how they'd help others though, so I think it's still a good idea for people to at least try a few times first.
 

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sky14kemea said:
Phasmal said:
Therapy's pretty great, though. I'd advise anyone who was worried about their mental health in any way to get therapy if they can.
Therapy is great if you're the kind of person it works for, IMO.

I've tried like 3-5 Therapists/Councillors over the years and it's done nothing for me. Any kind of behavioral recognition or positive thought change plans just fall short on me.

I can see how they'd help others though, so I think it's still a good idea for people to at least try a few times first.
I tend to be very positive about therapy simply because I denied myself it for so long for really really stupid reasons, so if I can get someone else to try it who potentially needs it, I think that's a plus.

It is a shame that it doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth trying for most people I think.
The initial hurdle of just going to therapy was (for me at least) way bigger than it needed to be.
 

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I mean, it's not like I ask anyone to be sure they don't have one so it's hard to say. Suppose it would have to suffice to say that most people I know have never said they have one.