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UnloadedDevice said:
But you never know how many people who may actually take an active role might also be off put by certain behaviors so calm and reasonable is the best option for gaining support. Not everybody is going to go out of their way to support you, but people are more likely to care about nice people. For the record, I still think you're doing a good job.
To add to what others have said, that's the tone argument, and there's all sorts of things wrong with it, notably that it doesn't work.

Now, sure, it makes a certain sort of logical sense in theory, it looks like it should work, but in practice it does not. Anyone who is going to support trans rights as long as trans people speak and behave exactly the way they want them to...they aren't going to support trans rights.
 

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I always feel like I have some things to say in threads on this topic but honestly, after reading through this one and like all the others, words fail me. I want to add something to the thread, I want to say my piece, I want to discuss but this thread has become so esoteric that I feel that there is no appreciable way to put any of my thoughts to words and that I would quickly be overwhelmed by what other people have to say, lose track of it all, and that is not a normal feeling for me. I really need to have a discussion with someone in real life over this topic before I feel comfortable talking about this.

Now, one might argue that I have done worse than add nothing to the discussion by admitting, in an excessively long way, that I know not enough to bother but I feel that this is incorrect as it only reinforces the idea that this is a very complex topic that you cannot rush headlong into.
 

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snippa-dee doo
Very well put, Saulkar.

I am not qualified enough to weigh in in any reasonable capacity as regards the transgender community- all of my transgender friends left my immediate circle quite some time ago (they just moved, nothing directly bad happened, at least as I recall), but I am compassionate enough to be concerned at how we treat others.

For what it's worth I am not bothered by the term cis. I don't feel like it takes anything away from me to have a designation like that, in fact it only makes sense. Normal never felt quite right, but I never reflected on why until these threads- it doesn't feel fair.
 

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It is, but in recent years push back has become stronger than ever.
Stronger than ever is still a relative term.

Right wing views have been losing ground quite quickly in the last number of decades. Just to name a few, they've had to accept interracial marriage, gay marriage, evolution being taught in schools, forced sex in marriage being considered rape, sex with someone who's passed out drunk being considered rape, and most recently, the mere existence of transexuals.
I woke up this morning to news projecting Trump as the GOP nominee. But I'll get back to that in a moment, let's run that list for a moment:

-interracial/gay marriage. If you want to go there, keep in mind what the gay marriage debate signifies in this. There was a time where court rulings were made ahead of popular opinion, like only 40 years ago. Now we can't deal with issues until they're no longer minority opinions.

Anti-miscegnation laws were still being fought over the year I was born, by the way. Still, this is a slowing of progress, not an acceleration of one. And part of why gay rights is such an issue now is because in the 90s, when it looked like we were actually going to see this stuff happen, we took a massive step back. Even liberals were signing Defense of Marriage Acts and Billy J instituted Don't Ask, Don't Tell. We were firing Arabic intel translators after 9-11 because they were gay. Oh, and they'd ask even if you didn't tell.

That we've had victories undoing this sort of damage isn't really progress.

-Evolution being taught in schools. Great, a piece of science that's been validated for over a hundred years finally got recognition after over 150 years of controversy. Meanwhile, Texas is one of the largest school book purchasers in the US, and are using that position to dismantle evolution, take out our Founding Fathers (or the ones they don't like) and insert Jesus and Moses. Since the books other students in other states read are based on that....

-rape laws. Fair enough, though I'd point out that we're still not exactly enforcing these things. Do you remember Steubenville, where nobody did anything until shamed by anonymous, and the media lamented that these poor boys had their lives ruined? There seems to be more inertia on reporting rape than 20 or 30 years ago because the victim will be attacked, berated, accused of lying...and they're pushing for more criminal charges when a rape can't be proved. Because what other reason could there be that someone doesn't go to jail? The only outcomes are conviction for rape, or the person was innocent. After all, we live in a guilty until proven innocent society.

...well, if you're an actual rape victim, that is true.

-merely acknowledging that transsexuals exist.

Hooboy. This is another case where you're looking at something almost a hundred years old (the public awareness). This has been a slow sift over the last 50-60 years, not some sudden sea change. Recent victories have been the culmination of years or even decades of work.

Meanwhile, let's be realistic. I'm at a point in my life where I can now say there are trans individuals 20 years younger than me facing largely the same challenges. There's the occasional heartening news story and whatnot, but the numbers and the reality hasn't changed much in a practical sense. Hell, I know transwomen who have lost access to hormones under the new laws that have been passed specifically to keep women from not having babies. Speaking of, with abortion clinics being shut down and new gamed rulings, what used to be a certainty in bodily autonomy is now in question, as well. Progress.

But I digress. Murder, suicide, poverty, these things are pressing real-world issues for trans people. So are a bunch of other things. And the environment there hasn't changed much. A lot of us don't survive our teen years.

It's been a really rough period for the poor guys, and I'm getting the impression a lot of people are tired of "losing" and feeling in the wrong. Support for Trump, a guy who'll basically say everything that is offensive to the groups people have pushed for better rights and feel vindicated, is probably at least partially due to this.
I would imagine it's likely mostly due to the fact that they have these beliefs in the first place. Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia are all pretty common in the US. The GOP has been dogwhistling these things for years. In fact, I suspect the only reason they don't like Trump is because he out-bigoted them.

Yeah, maybe they would also like to back a winner. But these people are pissed because their ass-backward, dated, hateful views are being called into question. And the thing is, they're still widely-held views. This isn't a loss, it's the fear of persecution. They feel infringed upon because they're no longer 100% of the people speaking.

Just think about it, being white is at least only explicitly associated with negative things (While totally different for implicit and passive associations). Being unable to dance and being racist are really the only two explicit stereotypes of white people.
The irony here being that the reason this is an issue is because white, like straight and cisgender, are treated as "default." Us white folk are like humans in the bulk of fantasy stories, defined as the averaged without many specific defining traits (if any at all). The entirety of American culture, and a good chunk of other Western nations, revolves around this. That we are the normal. That US culture is our culture. And we still own it. It is awesome to be white in America. And the worst "losses" we face are things like "no longer being able to deny black people jobs and housing." Oh, and some jokes are made about us.

No, the awful truth is that we're not the center of the world, and the reaction is to that very end. This is why there's so much hostility when we are even so much as asked to consider that other people exist.

But take it from someone who's on the short end of the stick in so many other areas, it is freaking awesome to be white in America. And if more of us acknowledged it, instead of scoffing at "privilege" and pretending that we're somehow put upon, there wouldn't be a stigma to "white." or "cis." Or "male."

Believe it or not, most trans folk don't hate cisfolk. Assuming any do, since I haven't met someone. Most women don't hate men. Most people of colour don't hate white people.

But these pervasive stereotypes lead to this sense of persecution against the straight or white or cisgender or whatever. Because these folks have been the center of the universe for so long they don't understand that not everything is about them.

I just want to live my life in peace, but it's usually the straight, white, cisgender guys who threaten that. Usually, because who I am is somehow threatening to THEM. It's about THEM. Not me.

And pre-emptively, if this doesn't describe you, then there's no need to think I'm talking about you specifically. But I see stuff like this:

9tailedflame said:
just saying that i don't think you should get a free pass simply for being trans, or for any aspect of sexuality/gender/race/sex/ect.
And I really just want to give up.

There's a saying, glib though it may be, that a man's greatest fear is that a woman will laugh at him, and a woman's greatest fear is that a man will murder her. You can pretty much change this to gender identity.

I really wish the worst thing I had to worry about was the thought that cisfolk might get a "free pass" on comments I didn't like on the internet. But it's been less than six months since someone last threatened me online alone, so I don't even have that luxury here.
 

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Hilarious how someone linked the follow short comic in the thread:


Try going on your computer and writing things like "I really don't like black people today" and see if you'll be construed as a racist. Writing "I really don't like gays today" as see if it looks like homophobia. Etc.

The total lack of awareness is staggering, frankly.
 

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On the other hand, if you read that comic and the thing that leaped out at you as the great crime against humanity was some hypocrisy on social media...
What? The point about the comic itself is quite clearly the hypocrisy on social media. That is the punchline.

Sure paint me some kind of villian because I don't point out the evil of some innocent women being assaulted. Of course I sympathise with her struggle and that of all other transsexual people, but that wasn't my fucking point, nor was it the point of the comic.

The creator doesn't understand that making blanket statements such as "I hate x(sex/race/creed/whatever)" will always be harmful and that their family and friends are very right in calling them out on it. Being accosted by two assholes suck, but what if they had been black? Would she have been in her right to write "I hate black people today"? How do you think that would have gone?
 

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Im Lang said:
I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.
I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.
In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.
 

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In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.
Yes. The punchline of the comic is the social networking, i.e. "not even here can I vent my frustrations".
I didn't know it was based upon real events and that really fucking sucks, but that still doesn't change the fact that the punchline of the comic displays such a colossal lack of awareness.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.
What? Where and how did I do that? Stop making up these god damn arguments all the time.

You and I have had this exact discussion before, albeit in slightly other words. I have tried explaining to you how extremely harmful it is to reinforce the divide between "cis" and "trans" by creating a "us and them" atmosphere. This comic does that exact fucking thing, by thinking it should be alright to write inane bullshit such as "I hate all cis people today" and not having to deal with blowback.

"Cis" is the opposite of what? Gay? Trans?

"I hate all gay people today" or "I hate all trans people today" just look at those two statements. They are mindblowingly asinine and should never be written by anyone. I'm sure they are, and those people who write them are useless fucktards and need to be educated asap, but that doesn't make it right for you, or anyone, to engage in similar rhetoric and simply turning it around on them... ESPECIALLY NOT when you are the far minority, as it will only HARM your case and strive for acceptance and normalcy.

EDIT: It is very simple. What if I was on your facebook and wrote a status message that said "I hate all trans people today". Would your first reaction be to call me out for being a transphobic idiot or to ask me "Oh really dear? Whatever could those nasty transpeeps have done to you this time??" What if it was something I wrote every other day?

It isn't about the authors social circle being self-centered and uncaring, it is about the author not realising that they are spewing idiotic bile and expecting it to be taken seriously.

"I was assaulted by two assholes today" what do you think the response would be?
"Two dickheads pushed me randomly today, thanks for acceptance zz" what response?

Hey maybe you could be a member of the KKK.
Let's say you're white and you get assaulted by three black dudes. You write on facebook:

1) "I was assaulted by three black dudes today"
2) "Three fucktards stole my wallet+phone today, just FYI. Thankfully I got insurance"
or
3) "I hate all black people".

Fucking think about it.
 

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s0denone said:
Being accosted by two assholes suck, but what if they had been black? Would she have been in her right to write "I hate black people today"? How do you think that would have gone?
I must've missed the part of the comic where it was made clear that she held bigoted feelings towards cisgender people based on their gender identity. You see, my interpretation of it is that two assholes mistreated her and her friend because of their gender identity and she went to vent about them and other such people committing such abuses. I don't see where she's angry at cisgender people for existing.
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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today". While you and I know the context of the protagonist (which I understand is based on real events) then we can extrapolate and realise that "Ah, she is hating cis people TODAY because TODAY they were fucking with her, AGAIN. She also probably didn't really mean "all" cis people, but was just really frustrated about what happened and needed to vent some frustration" but if you're just some Joe Dickhead on facebook you don't have that backstory, you just see some idiotic rambling about hating "cis" people, a demographic you're probably a part of. You've likely supported the protagonist before and she should know you stand by her, yet she keeps making these status updates about how people with the same circumstance as you are bad and generalizing about them. You feel personally hurt and it drives a divide in between your friendship or family bond. Of course you react like her friends or family reacts in the last panel.

If the assaulting party was black and attacked the other party because they weren't they said "I really hate black people today" it'd look bad, no doubt, but if viewed within the context of the events - being assaulted by people on the basis of their race, being on the receiving end of extreme institutional and cultural racism every day, half of their family hating and disowning them for being a certain race, etc, and whenever they talked about their experiences of being victimized on the basis of their race that everybody else collectively ignored it or dismissed it entirely as inconsequential, non-existant or deserved, well, you'd probably cut them some slack. Context is key, always.
But that is the point. The context isn't fucking given.

If the protagonist doesn't actually "hate all cis people" then maybe she shouldn't write that without any further context. I can't say "I hate all black people today" and expect it to go over well, with no explanation... And even with explanation and context that shit would look hella fucking shady.

"I hate all trans people today" - looks great right? Clearly.

Don't you understand that blanket statements like those are, even with context, ALWAYS bad? Isn't the PC police always up in arms about "Not all muslims are x", "Not all black people are x", where the "cisgender" police? Of course not all cis people are bad, so theres no reason to make blanket statements as if they are.

If someone on my facebook feed made remarks like those ("I hate all cis people") I would immediately inform them that I would delete them as a result and then go ahead and do it. Unless they were a close family member, in which case I would first be extremely disappointed and then proceed to call them and talk until they saw the error of their actions. Posting inane bullshit like that serves no positive function, ever.
 

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
s0denone said:
Im Lang said:
I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.
I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.
In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.
Without context I wouldn't blame the friends/family for just caring about their own feelings, all they see is a person being an asshole.

Sure she's venting, but she's doing it in about the dumbest way possible, no context and just exclaiming her hate of everyone who's a certain type of gender, if they said that after reading the complete story then yes it's have a point about only caring about themselves, as it stands it's just a normal reaction to a slight slam, not very poignant.
 

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.
Yes. The punchline of the comic is the social networking, i.e. "not even here can I vent my frustrations".
I didn't know it was based upon real events and that really fucking sucks, but that still doesn't change the fact that the punchline of the comic displays such a colossal lack of awareness.
No the punch line is: "I'm obviously upset and the first thing they do is get all pissed off about is my being unhappy with cis people? Fucking seriously?!"

The lack of awareness is one from cis people, sometimes I feel this response is intentional when it comes up too... Because it's literally ignoring a physical assault against a trans person, and Jessica U. is a US citizen where what happened was legally battery... Though going to the police she just risks further mistreatment because she is trans, her only option is to vent. The fact is when she vented she got shat on for venting against cis people, rather than getting any basic sympathy. That's the whole point of the comic, failing to see that isn't a lack of awareness, it's a dishonest attempt to conflate someone's harmless venting with real bigotry that leads to people being assaulted, raped and killed.

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.
What? Where and how did I do that? Stop making up these god damn arguments all the time.

You and I have had this exact discussion before, albeit in slightly other words. I have tried explaining to you how extremely harmful it is to reinforce the divide between "cis" and "trans" by creating a "us and them" atmosphere. This comic does that exact fucking thing, by thinking it should be alright to write inane bullshit such as "I hate all cis people today" and not having to deal with blowback.

"Cis" is the opposite of what? Gay? Trans?

"I hate all gay people today" or "I hate all trans people today" just look at those two statements. They are mindblowingly asinine and should never be written by anymore. I'm sure they are, and those people who write them are useless fucktards and need to be educated asap, but that doesn't make it right for you, or anyone, to engage in similar rhetoric and simply turning it around on them... ESPECIALLY NOT when you are the far minority, as it will only HARM your case and strive for acceptance and normalcy.
I didn't "make up" a "god damn argument", I presented you with the fact that you ignored the context to take a swing at a person's reasonable venting. When cis, hetero, and white people say these same sorts of things they automatically get the benefit of the doubt... Well unless they're a celebrity, then it's used to rip them to shreds in the public eye, because everyone loves a celebrity controversy, even if it destroys someone's career in the process. Still my point stands.

Further more, you're making a false argument with the accusation of trans people reinforcing an "us versus them" mentality. The reason for that is that cisgender people do not get specifically targeted to be assaulted, raped, and/or murdered just because they're cisgender. Cisgender people are allowed to exist and live their lives totally unchallenged due to their gender identities, trans people are not, laying the blame for the friction here on trans people is really intellectually dishonest.

Cis as in cisgender, which is the opposite of transgender, like how Transalpine Gaul is the on the far side of the Alpine mountains of Cisalpine Gaul from Rome.

When a cis person says "I hate all trans people today", or a straight person says "I hate all gay people today", they generally get the benefit of the doubt, even from trans and gay folk. Generally because most people read a whole statement like that as in the context and see the word today and realize it's a statement of temporary frustration. You claiming that this harms our normality is just another hand-wave of the very real issues trans people face, dismissing the far greater issues and greater challenges we face just to live our daily lives. Along with the fact that we're supposed to take every ounce of the horror we face daily with a smile and kindness, when the same standards are not applied to the majority, that's a real double standard we face. You're still flat ignoring that issue, putting your own personal sensibilities ahead of the issues that a group, which you're refusing to offer any real understanding to, faces.

Not to mention that you started this exchange by trying to make a joke out of "the lack of awareness" trans folk show, how you find that to be funny. The fact that the comic exists and highlights the situation and the lack of empathy we get when we're upset, shows the self-awareness of the comic. It actively shows how cis folk will get all outraged at the tiniest thing because a trans person is upset, while showing how trans folk are always supposed to put the feelings of cis people first, then when we fail at that, we catch all of the flack for it.
 

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NiPah said:
KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
s0denone said:
Im Lang said:
I didn't paint you as anything, I just pointed out something about selective outrage that you apparently aren't enjoying the sound of.
I reported your post for moderation as it seems pretty clear you're not here for discussion or debate, but merely to troll and incite a response.

In case it isn't so, I am very curious about this apparent "selective outrage" and how it wasn't covered in my reply to you. Thanks.
In this case, this is a comic that actually depicts an event that happened to the artist, it's a pretty common event, though the physical confrontation is usually worse than being pushed down. You're conflating a marginalized person venting about being abused, with the people who actually did the abuse. That's where the selective outrage comes in. In fact the whole punch-line of the comic is the people who are only caring about their own feelings about how the character is being "mean to cis people", not why their family member/friend is upset.

You went and accused trans people of a lack of self-awareness, without using any of your own here. No offense intended, but you're literally taking a perceived offense against you and conflating it with deeply held attitudes. Attitudes that get real people assaulted, raped, and murdered for daring offend another's sensibilities.
Without context I wouldn't blame the friends/family for just caring about their own feelings, all they see is a person being an asshole.

Sure she's venting, but she's doing it in about the dumbest way possible, no context and just exclaiming her hate of everyone who's a certain type of gender, if they said that after reading the complete story then yes it's have a point about only caring about themselves, as it stands it's just a normal reaction to a slight slam, not very poignant.
The fact is I see the opposite all the time from the other side, and the cisgender, or heterosexual people who say "I hate gay/trans people today" always get sympathy, even from trans and gay folk. The worst blow back they get generally is: "I understand how you feel, but you could have worded your first post better." The kneejerk reactionary blowing back like in the comic is generally exclusively directed at trans and gay folk, mostly because cis-het folk tend to feel threatened by our very existence.
 

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Here's my EDIT to the post you quoted, I don't think you saw it:
EDIT: It is very simple. What if I was on your facebook and wrote a status message that said "I hate all trans people today". Would your first reaction be to call me out for being a transphobic idiot or to ask me "Oh really dear? Whatever could those nasty transpeeps have done to you this time??" What if it was something I wrote every other day?

It isn't about the authors social circle being self-centered and uncaring, it is about the author not realising that they are spewing idiotic bile and expecting it to be taken seriously.

"I was assaulted by two assholes today" what do you think the response would be?
"Two dickheads pushed me randomly today, thanks for acceptance zz" what response?

Hey maybe you could be a member of the KKK.
Let's say you're white and you get assaulted by three black dudes. You write on facebook:

1) "I was assaulted by three black dudes today"
2) "Three fucktards stole my wallet+phone today, just FYI. Thankfully I got insurance"
or
3) "I hate all black people".

Fucking think about it.
I don't think it changes much, though. If anything, the fact that you cannot comprehend how it is harmful to your situation to openly spout bile like "I hate all cis people" without any context whatsoever is simply reinforcing the fact that there is a total lack of awareness on your end.

Lack of awareness, apparently, to the point of making this entire discussion an absolute waste of time.

I think you're a genuinely nice and caring person, and you want the best for yourself and those you care about. I respect that. You really need to change some things though, as you really push people away with your combative attitude and jumping to conclusions.

My point was the lack of context given in the end "I hate all x" sentiment in the end, and the fact that such a sentiment was uttered at all. It was never about belittling the struggle of transsexuals, and the fact that you claim that is what I was doing doesn't make it true.

Having specific points of contention doesn't mean I hold no opinion on other things. Your first reply to me was telling me I was part of the problem of transsexuals being assaulted and murdered or something equally astronomically offensive. There is no drive to debate with you, when you've already set me up as an oppressor even though I have done nothing wrong, and then proceed to view all of my points through some kind of oppressomatic-glasses.

So in other words, I believe we are done here. Have a good day/night, wherever you are. Cheerio.
 

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To answer the first question to your edit, if I had you on Facebook I'd probably know your personal history with trans people. Since the only people I know on Facebook are people who are family, or friends I've met in person. In which case I'd say what you said was an example of shitty bad wording, but I'd also still offer some basic understanding. With my trans friends I see this sort of thing all the time, their cis friends and families saying stupid, shortsighted, and overly generalized shots aimed straight at the entire trans community. We bend over backwards to understand what's going on when things like this happen, we do not get a slight fraction of the same courtesy in return.

As for my being combative, well considering that with people I don't know intimately, when I'm not assertive people walk all over me... Yeah that's not me harming a community, or pushing people away, it's my refusal to be a doormat.

The reason I brought up the comparative crime rates is to prove a point, that being this:The tiny minority of the population that transgender people make up are not a threat to the cisgender majority. We cannot realistically harm the cisgender minority the same way they're destroying us through both legal and illegal means. Yet we're the ones who are expected to walk on eggshells not the cis people who are literally apathetic to our struggles.