Poll: How many symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder do you have?
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6 and I'm kind of iffy if i should include
Someties I feel bad for people, but sometimes..... fuck them...
Are the two necessarily different?dfphetteplace said:
I had 1 or 2 when I was younger, but I've grown out of them.
According to my friends - I asked them since you can't really diagnose yourself - I have four (and another to a small degree) of the seven DSM bullet points for diagnosing Antisocial Personality Disorder, so could officially be diagnosed with this disorder because I also meet the other 'requirements' including early conduct disorder.
Luckily for me none of my friends is a qualified psychiatrist and by lack of diagnosis I pronounce myself in full mental health, hurrah!
Luckily for me none of my friends is a qualified psychiatrist and by lack of diagnosis I pronounce myself in full mental health, hurrah!
The only one I have is
*Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
And only when I choose to have it, so I guess I have half of a point?
*Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
And only when I choose to have it, so I guess I have half of a point?
*Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy:
a: I'll go to some lengths to ensure the wellbeing of people who are- for whatever reason- already important to me. People who are not in the "tribe" I've developed are not my concern and their problems don't phase me whether they're great or small, highly visible or on the other side of the world. I am unmoved by adverts depicting suffering- the only exception to this rule would be animal welfare.
*Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
a: Now this is just bull****. Here's one 'norms' related issue: if you want to make up some arbitrary rules for communication (which make the whole thing less efficient) and call it 'etiquette', then go on to prattle about how evolved and sophisticated the new dialogue is, that's your bloody pissant business. Don't wave it under my nose, and don't wear a look like you expect me to apologise for telling you straight that you might have a gum problem. WHY in the name of whatever GOD you believe in would you assume I was trying to offend you, rather than trying to save your teeth? If I wanted to offend you, I'd say "clean your teeth once in a while, Shrek". I wouldn't do it via a topic proxy.
If you can't come to terms with straight forward, say-what-you-mean communication, then politely GTFO. We'll never get along.
*Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
a: I have one friend, a man called Ian. We game together, he takes whatever I say as it's read and I show him the same basic courtesy. A lot of his convoluted "social" banter goes over my head, but that's not important; when times are rough for him, my house is an isolated haven where his phone doesn't get signal. When times are rough for me, he keeps visiting despite my crabbiness- which only he gets to joke about.
*Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
a: It's not a low tolerance or threshold. I have infinite patience, but I also understand that violence and aggression is a legitimate response to certain grievances and has a place in my dealings with other human beings besides. There are certain things I'll attack you for, verbally or physically, whether I'm particularly riled or not. End of story.
*Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
a: If you can convince me I'm wrong first, you'll teach me something. If you punish me without convincing me of anything, then as far as I'm concerned you've just attacked me and opened up a debt between us. Any revenge by me while involve overwhelming and disproportionate use of violence; to property, to people around you, and to you. The state is not immune either.
*Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behaviour bringing the subject into conflict.
a: "Plausible rationalizations"? That sounds like something people who are WRONG say to people who are RIGHT because they- the former- are incapable of offering a rational counterpoint to the latter's rational point. Sounds like bullshit to me, but I'm homing in on a phrase now and not really answering the question.
Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right. I can usually figure out which by myself, following a conflict.
*Persistent irritability.
a: Other people are socialised to deal with each other in a way that involves a hell of a lot of pure nonsense. I hate nonsense. Nonsense makes me irritable. I'm not persistently irritated though; sometimes I'm by myself.
- Candid, out.
a: I'll go to some lengths to ensure the wellbeing of people who are- for whatever reason- already important to me. People who are not in the "tribe" I've developed are not my concern and their problems don't phase me whether they're great or small, highly visible or on the other side of the world. I am unmoved by adverts depicting suffering- the only exception to this rule would be animal welfare.
*Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
a: Now this is just bull****. Here's one 'norms' related issue: if you want to make up some arbitrary rules for communication (which make the whole thing less efficient) and call it 'etiquette', then go on to prattle about how evolved and sophisticated the new dialogue is, that's your bloody pissant business. Don't wave it under my nose, and don't wear a look like you expect me to apologise for telling you straight that you might have a gum problem. WHY in the name of whatever GOD you believe in would you assume I was trying to offend you, rather than trying to save your teeth? If I wanted to offend you, I'd say "clean your teeth once in a while, Shrek". I wouldn't do it via a topic proxy.
If you can't come to terms with straight forward, say-what-you-mean communication, then politely GTFO. We'll never get along.
*Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
a: I have one friend, a man called Ian. We game together, he takes whatever I say as it's read and I show him the same basic courtesy. A lot of his convoluted "social" banter goes over my head, but that's not important; when times are rough for him, my house is an isolated haven where his phone doesn't get signal. When times are rough for me, he keeps visiting despite my crabbiness- which only he gets to joke about.
*Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
a: It's not a low tolerance or threshold. I have infinite patience, but I also understand that violence and aggression is a legitimate response to certain grievances and has a place in my dealings with other human beings besides. There are certain things I'll attack you for, verbally or physically, whether I'm particularly riled or not. End of story.
*Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
a: If you can convince me I'm wrong first, you'll teach me something. If you punish me without convincing me of anything, then as far as I'm concerned you've just attacked me and opened up a debt between us. Any revenge by me while involve overwhelming and disproportionate use of violence; to property, to people around you, and to you. The state is not immune either.
*Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behaviour bringing the subject into conflict.
a: "Plausible rationalizations"? That sounds like something people who are WRONG say to people who are RIGHT because they- the former- are incapable of offering a rational counterpoint to the latter's rational point. Sounds like bullshit to me, but I'm homing in on a phrase now and not really answering the question.
Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right. I can usually figure out which by myself, following a conflict.
*Persistent irritability.
a: Other people are socialised to deal with each other in a way that involves a hell of a lot of pure nonsense. I hate nonsense. Nonsense makes me irritable. I'm not persistently irritated though; sometimes I'm by myself.
- Candid, out.
My thoughts exactly. none of those should be classed as someone who is actually anti-social, by mental terms.dfphetteplace said:
Two of them, as I a misanthrope person with autism and alexithymia. And probably I am a schizoid too...
Since you take responsibility for your irresponsibility, doesn't that mean your now down to only 5 of them?Lord George said: