Yeah... Oh wait. They have to leave all their families to fight a retarded war, then get back and be poor as dirt. Do you think they really give a shit what you think of them?
Poll: I do not feel more respect or admiration for military personnel than I do for anyone else.
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I respect the guys for being willing to die. I draw the line at some of the things they are dying for.
I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of military being an extra option, available to those who may not feel like furthur education. Kinda 'If you don't feel like learning, don't worry, we'll train you to kill people!'
I suppose I'd get kinda ratty if some people who were in the service demanded some form of respect I didn't feel they deserved. Sure, they might have died, but they didn't, and if they didn't want to do it they didn't have to. There are charities and discounts already, must lazy people like me bow down with glistening eyes because they killed some Germans without being killed or whatever?
In conclusion = :S
I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of military being an extra option, available to those who may not feel like furthur education. Kinda 'If you don't feel like learning, don't worry, we'll train you to kill people!'
I suppose I'd get kinda ratty if some people who were in the service demanded some form of respect I didn't feel they deserved. Sure, they might have died, but they didn't, and if they didn't want to do it they didn't have to. There are charities and discounts already, must lazy people like me bow down with glistening eyes because they killed some Germans without being killed or whatever?
In conclusion = :S
Considering your supposed education, your ignorance is astounding. Did you know that all members of the military, ranked Second Lieutenant and higher have to have at least a Bachelors degree in their field? Did you know that most of them have their Masters?jasoncyrus said:
And yet they still chose to go into a profession that has them willingly putting their life in danger. Yes that is just sooo worthy of being called smart! These people need a straight jacket. Had they put their skill in their "Field" to proper use in business or social care etc etc. Something non military. I have a sneaking suspicion the economies of the world wouldn't be completely and utter in ruins right now.SilentHunter7 said:
You've obviously done decently with you're life so good for you. But saying they can't understand that effort is ignorant. Maybe they're trying to scrape enough money together to look after a family. Maybe they need the money to go to college. Maybe they couldn't get another job where they live. Maybe they saw an opportunity to do a few tours, then leave with a pension, and be more employable back home. These guys put in a lot of effort to pass basic training, then go stay in a shithole country and get shot at every other day, see people they just spent a good portion of their life with get shot, or blown up, or maybe they get unlucky and get a leg blown off, or suffer brain damage, or just don't come home.jasoncyrus said:
Yes that man was just ssssooooooo good at his job that he let himself get set on fire. Great example of his military training there. can get in a tank, yet leaves himself exposed enough to get set ablaze.
I can guarentee you he doesnt understand the effort. Mostly because he joined the army and not the airforce/navy. A SMART person would turn the place into a gravel parking lot and play it off as a targetting computer error.
A stupid person sends infantry in hoping to clog the meat grinder.
These guys are idiots. They have tanks, they are for LEVELLING places and leaving *zero* survivors. Not for sitting on, not for shooting from behind etc.
We have the power to turn our enemies into nothing but a smoking crater, but what does the army do? send kids like him to their deaths, or worse, to get crippled and maimed for life.
Yeah, real appealing career move that is.
I can guarentee you he doesnt understand the effort. Mostly because he joined the army and not the airforce/navy. A SMART person would turn the place into a gravel parking lot and play it off as a targetting computer error.
A stupid person sends infantry in hoping to clog the meat grinder.
These guys are idiots. They have tanks, they are for LEVELLING places and leaving *zero* survivors. Not for sitting on, not for shooting from behind etc.
We have the power to turn our enemies into nothing but a smoking crater, but what does the army do? send kids like him to their deaths, or worse, to get crippled and maimed for life.
Yeah, real appealing career move that is.
Most of the cadets I went to school with were lucid, and very much sane. Most of us act out of unselfishness. We see a greater good being served. The cadets, officers, and NCO's I've had the honor of knowing were the ones who say "If I don't, who will?"jasoncyrus said:
I'm sorry if you can't see that, and have altruism and duty confused with insanity. Maybe we're not the only ones who need a psych exam.
I think its hilarious that a few people in this forum think that its a good idea to drop nuclear bombs on countries that oppose us as an alternative to using ground troops. Enough people believe that its a crime against humanity to shoot someone, imagine what the uproar would be if we just started droppin' atom bombs. Chances are that this would create a much bigger conflict than the bomb was meant to solve since this would probably piss absolutely everyone in the world off. The reason that people didn't cry about it as much in 1945 is because A. It was simply a different time when people valued human life a hell of a lot less B. humanitarians were few and far between, at least compared to today C. We'd been in a really shitty war for quite some time and the government was able to convince a ton of people that the bomb was what won the war even though it was being wrapped anyway
I'm no genious but this is what I think happened and what would happen
I'm no genious but this is what I think happened and what would happen
I have to disagree with you somewhat. Not every single person who join the service are thugs. People join the the service for different reasons, some it's because simply their family was a part of it and they want to be a part of it as well, some to protect others, some, yes so that they get to kill things(even though American soldiers have very rigid rules of engagement), while others out of simple patriotism.CaptainEgypt said:
Also, next time you make a statement, please give reasons as to why you think that. Otherwise you make yourself off as some kind of jerk.
Well you pretty much made your second point redundant, because everyone gets what a military is, thugs with access to big guns and tanks with a considerable amount of training, why do you state thats what a military is when you said the first thing it pretty sums up what your talking about.CaptainEgypt said:
Screw humanity, currently we are all a bunch of evil sadistic hypocrits.clicketycrack said:
Duty? What duty? To fight for a country that can't even justify its own wars without being ashamed of its real purpose? To fight for a country that cant even keep its own economy running properly?SilentHunter7 said:
There is no duty. There is only guilt. False guilt embossed on your psyche with false statements such as "Your forefathers fought for your freedom".
They didn't fight for YOUR freedom. You weren't even concieved so how is that possible?
They fought for their own freedom, not mine.
As for alturism, what part of the current US massacre is alturistic exactly? They dug that hole themselves, now they have to deal with te fallout. Trouble is, they are too much of a coward to simply eradicate the populous like we used to do it.
As the old adage goes, "War doesn't prove who was right, only who is left."
You wanna be right? Or do you wanna be the ones left?
And your NCOs...obviously they didn't hold themselves in very high reguard if they thought their own lives we worth less than a strangers. People who throw their lives away with the reason of alturism don't deserve to have life in the first place because they don't put their own lives first.
If you dont, who will? A'll tell you who will, the guy who has the stone to carpet bomb a major city into oblivion as a penalty to the populous for allowing such people to exist in their country.
I think there's still something to talk about here. I'm not very happy with the tact the conversation has taken right now -- lots of value judgements, not a lot of empathy (bear in mind that empathy doesn't mean sympathy or agreement, just basic human understanding). Since I'm not going to be around to babysit, I'm going to lock the thread right now. I'll come back and unlock it later.
Go do something else. Go think about stuff a little bit. There is actually stuff to think about here if you look under the surface. And, hey, it's Memorial Day. This thread will be back tomorrow.
-- Alex
Go do something else. Go think about stuff a little bit. There is actually stuff to think about here if you look under the surface. And, hey, it's Memorial Day. This thread will be back tomorrow.
-- Alex
As a whole, I don't respect anyone more or less because of military duty. They need to earn it just like everyone else. I used to live with a couple guys who were in the Army, and they thought everyone should kiss their asses because of it. Complete d-bags, the lot of them. However, I know a couple people who are the most upstanding, polite, and downright cool people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. They gained my respect for the fact that they were in the Marines, but didn't go around parading the fact, practically telling others to respect them only for the fact that they served in the armed forces.
