Poll: I want a sniper rifle what should I get

[Gilhelmi]

Whatever you choose, remember to use adequate hearing protection.

Shooting is fun and all, but someday you'll go bored with it. Not having tinnitus never gets boring.

Ya I agree. My father was a farmer and is half-deaf from the machines. Now, I where ear plugs to mow the lawn.

 

[SlowShootinPete]

Don't be a fucking idiot. There is NOTHING you could possibly need a sniper rifle for other than brutal, cold-blooded murder and why the FUCK should we advise you on how to do that?

Give me ONE good reason why you'd need a sniper rifle, and I'd call you a liar (and a psychopath while I'm at it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAyh23l1mx4

I always thought you couldn't get Barrett due to all those stupid fucks firing from the hip and killing themselves. But as for your question, please don't buy a gun, down here in Australia we go just fine without your strange need to bear arms.

Different countries, different cultures. The US is a gun culture. It was founded by people who desired self-determination and had to fight two wars to get it. Every citizen doesn't need to own a gun like they did 200 years ago, but guns are just a part of American culture now.

Guns do have non-criminal uses: target shooting, hunting, and self defense. Wanting to shoot for recreation does not make someone a crazy mass murderer. Shooting a large, powerful gun feels awesome in the same way that driving really fast in a sports car feels awesome.

So please, non-Americans, understand that our apparent obsession with guns is a product of our history, and that many people desire to own weapons because it is a legitimate hobby. Call it extravagant, many hobbies are.

If someone enters your house, even just to steal, you have a right to kill him.

Not necessarily. It varies by state, and by situation. Regardless of the law, unless someone has entered your house with a weapon and you are in immediate danger of serious physical harm, killing an intruder is not justified. Legally, it would be considered murder in many cases. Killing also has the unfortunate effect of causing lasting psychological trauma.

This isn't to say that pulling out a shotgun when someone breaks into your house is a bad idea, but generally the intruder isn't interested in a shooting match and will GTFO once they hear the "ch-chunk" of a 12 gauge being pumped.

But everyone who owns a gun has the potential to be one, the ability to do more harm and kill more people. your right, most are good people, I accept that. The fact is you get bad people who WILL exploit the guns to do harm. No guns is safer than everyone has a gun.

Every man with a penis has the potential to be a rapist, but most men aren't because they are not mentally diseased freaks.

The people who purchase guns with the intent of doing harm buy them off the black market. They don't go through the effort of getting a class-3 gun permit. The government actually does require things like background checks.

No guns is safer as these unregistered guns are less likely to go into circulation if ANYONE can buy a gun.

There are so many weapons in circulation on the black market that if all licensed guns were illegalized and seized by the government, there would still be enough of an illegal supply to last for years.

 

[cheese_wizington]

I'd go for the Bravo thing. How'd you get all the money to afford this, exactly?

 

[Ironman126]

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I'm glad SOMEONE gets this.

And for the record, firearms are not toys. I don't fucking care how old you are. This isn't an FPS. You can't stand behind a rock and wait for your limbs to grow back or tape a health kit to your leg. Buy an air-soft gun. They are much safer.

It's people like you that scare the fuck out of people like me. This is coming for someone who owns a Model 99 Savage .308, by the way.

It's not like he said "I want to get a cool sniper for no scoping nubs at 1000 kelometers!" I've heard a German GSG-9 member call a mag a 'clip' on tv once. I guess they're not qualified to even play cod4?!

Yeah, um, not a great counter-argument. Firstly, i know army and marine vets who call a mag a "clip". Now come up with a better argument.

 

[Gilhelmi]

I'd go for the Bravo thing. How'd you get all the money to afford this, exactly?

I saved for 2 years, I was going to get a handgun for self-defense but my father gave my a beautiful S&W model 1911. So now, sniper rifle.

 

[cheese_wizington]

I'd go for the Bravo thing. How'd you get all the money to afford this, exactly?

I saved for 2 years, I was going to get a handgun for self-defense but my father gave my a beautiful S&W model 1911. So now, sniper rifle.

You have a generous father.

 

[Gilhelmi]

I'd go for the Bravo thing. How'd you get all the money to afford this, exactly?

I saved for 2 years, I was going to get a handgun for self-defense but my father gave my a beautiful S&W model 1911. So now, sniper rifle.

You have a generous father.

Yes, the pistol was a predeployment gift. I was deploying to Iraq, but the deployment was canceled.

 

[DefunctTheory]

You want a 'sniper' rifle.

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I hope to God you don't get one (Or have one already, which you seem to). Civilians own high powered rifles, not sniper rifles. Are they the same thing? Yes. But the wording you use makes me nervous.

It's the red dot dancing across your forehead that should really be making you nervous.

Sniper's don't use lasers silly (Actually, lasers are practically useless for long range engagements beyond range finding).

EDIT: Wait.. red dot? A close combat scope? On a sniper rifle? YOu play too much Call of Duty, friend.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Overpowered

Hey, that's from Schlock Mercenary! Awesome!

 

[flaming_squirrel]

Reminds me of a few Barrett videos I've seen of rounds rebounding from mid range shots and almost killing the guy behind the sights. Those heavy rounds seem lethal to everyone in the vacinity at anything but LONG range...
Awesome rifle though.

 

[Mathurin]

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by a bolt action hunting rifle jury rig a elongated barrel and add the silencer use higher calibre rounds to compensate for the silencer the by a wider reciever for the rounds amnd make sure you have about three weeks spare time on you hands to train to use it

I do not like the idea of 'jury rigging' a rifle. I just do not trust that it would not explode. Also, no silencer (Ill just put on ear protection), I am shooting from far enough away that by the time they get to me I am already gone. Then again the people next door might appreciate me having a silencer.

I have no idea what this guy is on about, Im not sure he knows what he is talking about.

If you have military training then you (should) know that most any full power* rifle can hit at 800 meters, if you have fired at such ranges and done well then skip to the next paragraph, if you not fired at such ranges then you need practice first, lots of people who know nothing about guns make a big deal about the rifle, but accuracy comes mostly from the shooter, only alittle from the rifle. So, buy any full power .30 caliber, bolt action preferably (you can buy russian surplus stuff cheap now) a whole lot of ammo and go to the range, shoot with iron sights until you get consistent groupings. This rifle will be capable of something like 80-90% of the ability of a purpose built sniper rifle and you can get some practice before you sink serious money into this.


Next, either mount a scope on your rifle, or buy a new hunting rifle, put a good quality scope on it, dont go cheap on your optics, repeat step 1

This is not a jury rig, this is how its done

If you are extremely good at shooting you might now be ready for a purpose built sniper rifle


Dont skip step 1 if you havent shot long range, because you will suck exactly as much with a $100 Mosin Nagant as you will with a $2-$5k sniper rifle, optics dont help you hold the gun steady.


BTW, (to everyone in this thread) the difference between a hunting rifle and a "sniper rifle" is a paint job, for the most part the sniper standard platform is the remington 700, which started as a popular hunting rifle.

The biggest difference is in the prey, not the gun.


Edit: *full power round generally means .308 or equivalent

 

[Discrodia]

If I can inject my opinion into this, I hafta say that all you ban-all-guns people need to cool it. Seriously.

Problems with the 'He's a murderer' argument:
1. He's speaking about it on the internet. That means he's not too worried about discretion, therefor not looking to do illegal things.
2. Sniper rifle is a mainstream term for any rifle with a scope. Saying that does not make him some CoD-obsessed teen male.
3. The fact he did some fucking research, rather than just going and buying it, speaks to having at least a bit of sanity.
4. Almost all criminal gun deaths occur through use of small, cheap, unregistered handguns, not big, expensive rifles.
5. Right to bear arms is in the bill of rights.
6. It's KANSAS for hells sake. It's not like he lives in NYC, where one stray bullet can kill twenty people.
7. To those of you who say 'Why not an MG', owning an automatic weapon (not semi, but fully, automatic) is straight-out illegal in the US.
8. He evidently is looking for licenses, therefor he is willing to deal with our endless beauracracy and registration fees.

True, guns are designed to kill, and also true, there are some horrible things that can happen with guns. But the media loves to overblow anything tragic, so exposure to the 'horrors' of guns are far less than the horrors of car-driving (Where you just need to be a certain age to drive a high-speed, 1 ton potential killing machine.) In fact, someone whose actually doing his research and asking others is far safer than some crazy kid who walks into a gunshop and asks for the biggest thing they have, regardless of which flavor of weapon he buys.

Disclaimer: I am not some far-right, evangelical christian crackpot. I am a liberal atheist who doesn't like the prevelance of guns in our society, but is far more concerned with those who own easily concealable weapons than those with massive military rifles.

 

[Kurokami]

I want to get a new sniper rifle

Which one should I get?

The Barrett M82A1 50 Cal. - Overpowered, maybe. But that engine block 2 miles away needs to be destroyed. ($2 per round)(retails for $3200) http://www.vincelewis.net/rifle.html

The Bravo51 7.62x51mm - Much more sane in power. Highly accurate and a lot cheaper to fire than 50 Cal ($0.50 per round). Also the rifle itself is cheaper. (retails for $1200) http://www.snipercentral.com/bravo51.htm

These are the 2 main ones I am looking at but any American sniper rifle might go on the list that I will look at. http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

I am 26 years old and all of these are legal in the state of Kansas.

EDIT: Many have pointed out that good 50 cal round cost $7.50 or more. I was looking at the cheap rounds by mistake. Also I probably will load (make) my own ammo.

Why get a sniper?

Why not? He can, it's America.

He can do alot of things, I'm asking why. Everything needs a reason, even if its just a matter of "When the Zombie apocalypse hits..." or "so I can go to the shooting range", whatever.

 

[Mr. McFuzzers]

Go with the Bravo it looks a lot easier to maintain.

 

[slopeslider]

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I'm glad SOMEONE gets this.

And for the record, firearms are not toys. I don't fucking care how old you are. This isn't an FPS. You can't stand behind a rock and wait for your limbs to grow back or tape a health kit to your leg. Buy an air-soft gun. They are much safer.

It's people like you that scare the fuck out of people like me. This is coming for someone who owns a Model 99 Savage .308, by the way.

It's not like he said "I want to get a cool sniper for no scoping nubs at 1000 kelometers!" I've heard a German GSG-9 member call a mag a 'clip' on tv once. I guess they're not qualified to even play cod4?!

Yeah, um, not a great counter-argument. Firstly, i know army and marine vets who call a mag a "clip". Now come up with a better argument.

Those vet's are incorrect. Full stop. I'm saying because you don't agree with him calling it a 'sniper rifle' doesn't disqualify him from being knowledgeable any more than vets calling a box magazine a clip makes them fps-playing losers.

 

[tkioz]

/facepalm

If you call it a sniper rifle you shouldn't be buying a real gun. Please speaking as a shooter and someone who is sick to death of hearing about how we are all murder happy kill crazies please for the love of god start off with a .22 first.

 

[Gilhelmi]

/facepalm

If you call it a sniper rifle you shouldn't be buying a real gun. Please speaking as a shooter and someone who is sick to death of hearing about how we are all murder happy kill crazies please for the love of god start off with a .22 first.

Ya, I already did that with the old Nylon66 (.22 long), and my AR-15 (.223). I someday would like to go to the Army sniper school (not going to happen but I can dream). Also, Sniper Rifle just means it has a good scope and designed for long range.

 

[jdun]

I have a custom made .50 BMG rifle that weights in at 47 pounds. It cost me $3000. My wallet goes "Why are you doing this to me?" every time I fire a $7.50 round. I would add a pic but I am not at home.

Dang $7.50 a round. I might go with the Bravo51 just so I do not go to the poor house every time I go to the range. (but I bet it fires like a dream)

Look if you don't know how much ammo cost than I suggest you do a lot more research and lean how to shoot. All you are doing is wasting good money that could otherwise be use for training.

An expensive rifle won't make you a good shooter. There is a lot more than pulling the trigger.

When I was young I spent three to four days a week at the range shooting between 25 to 1000 yards. I spent a lot of money and a lot of time. I learn how to reload to save cost on match grade ammo. Current match grade ammo can cost over $50 for a box of 20 in 308. So you better learn how to reload.

If you're not interested in shooting .22lr as a training vehicle than your next step is .223. They are much more expensive than .22lr but cost much less than .308.

Savage makes very good rifle for a decent price, around $500 retail. Check out the 10FP in .223. They are capable of 1 MOA or less at 100 yards. Buy videos, take classes, and learn how to reload.

Ya, I already know how to shoot .223. I have a great AR-15 (from the 70's) that I shoot. I just never looked at the 50 cal ammo prices till now. I love my AR great weapon has never let me down. I can shoot with it at 200 yards (no scope) reliably and farther about 75% hit rate.

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You mean 75% of hitting on the paper target at 200 yards? If that is the case it is terrible. Not only should it be 100%, a decent grouping should be around 3 MOA with iron sight. If you already have an AR you should stick with it. A standard AR will get you sub 1 MOA at 100 yards with match ammo. A match grade AR15 should get you sub .5 MOA. at 100 yards with match ammo.

What you need is more training and shooting with match ammo. Normal/military ammo will only get you 2 MOA at best even with the most accurate rifle in the world.

If you're going into survive mode, 22lr rifles are the best for those situation. .22lr are light weight and easy to carry. They will take any small game for food. Here is one of the best survive rifle ever made.

http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1070&Itemid=39

Trust me you do not want to hump a heavy firearm for any amount of time. Precision rifle are heavy and the more weight you carry the less chance of your survival. Travel light.

If you have a hunker down mentally, go buy a farm as far away as possible from civilization. Grow your own food. Don't stay in the city because there no way you can defend your supply for a period of time.

I went through the hunker down mentally over ten years ago (Y2K). My conclusion is you either run out of supply and die or you get kill trying to defend it in an urban area. The best solution is take your family and pets out of urban area right away. Take what you need, a lot of fuel, and keep driving until you run out of gas. Don't stop for any reason. This was proven correct with Katrina. The people that got out of the city fair much better than those that stay.

This is what my survival get out of dodge kit looks like. Lots of fuel for the car. Make sure it is properly store in the home so it won't burn down the house. Bag of clothing. Bag of medical supply (first aid kit, trauma kit, etc) and common tools (knife, folk, spoon, plate, pan, paper, pen, maps, screw driver, etc) in it. Couple of bag of can food that should last the family for a week or more. Several cases of bottle water. Total cost should be around $300, for me anyway.

It is also assume that you should have at least one firearm for protection with enough ammo (4 to 7 magazines).

Make sure you have a vehicles that is large enough to carry those supplies with your family and pets. One more note. Trauma kit is vital ($30-$75). You should have at least one. Make sure you learn how to use it.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

This is my sniper rifle.

Ninja'd or not, this does the trick.

OT: I have practically no experience with firearms so I couldn't even begin to help you. When in doubt, google it.