Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
This.canadamus_prime said:I wouldn't do it. Two words: Butterfly effect.
Well The vikings may have been portraid as violent & blood thristy but they were also merchants, traders & explorers, traveled as far as Constaniople & the volga river in Russia (thanx wiki ^_^)G1eet said:Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
At least there'd be more movies about Thor.
So you're blaming Jesus for all the violence in the world? The same guy who went around saying "we should all be nice to each other for a change"?Strategia said:1.) Jesus.
2.) Christianity killed Greek philosophy, Greek scientific theory, Greco-Roman culture, and IMO aided the downfall of the Roman Empire. Enter about 900 years of superstitious faith-mongering and living in squalid conditions, with the occasional troupe of people heading east to commit some mass murder. Then, after all that ended, the persecution and religious wars began. Only since the nineteenth century has Christianity receded into the background as an instigator of violence and misery, and then only because it was replaced with ideals like nationalism, socialism and, later, national socialism. No Christianity = much, much less religious violence. (Please direct any discussion on this topic to PMs, let's not clutter up this thread, ok?)
3.) Quickly and without any witnesses, preferably before he got a messiah complex. Maybe drop a rock on his head or something.
Don't jump the gun, I was likening their militaristic tendencies.rs2000 said:Well The vikings may have been portraid as violent & blood thristy but they were also merchants, traders & explorers, traveled as far as Constaniople & the volga river in Russia (thanx wiki ^_^)G1eet said:Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
At least there'd be more movies about Thor.
They were just like any other culture of the era they fought amongest themselves & with other races but to paint them with the same brush as Nazi Germany!
oh... the temptation of Satin.... you have notS-Unleashed said:You would be killing God himself,you brainless baffon! I want to make somthing clear to people: The Crasudes were the idoit Pope's doing! God had nothing to this,wicked men who were tempted be Satin were!Strategia said:1.) Jesus.
2.) Christianity killed Greek philosophy, Greek scientific theory, Greco-Roman culture, and IMO aided the downfall of the Roman Empire. Enter about 900 years of superstitious faith-mongering and living in squalid conditions, with the occasional troupe of people heading east to commit some mass murder. Then, after all that ended, the persecution and religious wars began. Only since the nineteenth century has Christianity receded into the background as an instigator of violence and misery, and then only because it was replaced with ideals like nationalism, socialism and, later, national socialism. No Christianity = much, much less religious violence. (Please direct any discussion on this topic to PMs, let's not clutter up this thread, ok?)
3.) Quickly and without any witnesses, preferably before he got a messiah complex. Maybe drop a rock on his head or something.
Ok fair enough they might hae been pretty heavy handed but then again who wasn't, this country was invaded by (in decending order) the Normans (viking decendants) the Vikings, the Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Celts & who knowes what other nomadic peoples of the time!G1eet said:Don't jump the gun, I was likening their militaristic tendencies.rs2000 said:Well The vikings may have been portraid as violent & blood thristy but they were also merchants, traders & explorers, traveled as far as Constaniople & the volga river in Russia (thanx wiki ^_^)G1eet said:Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
At least there'd be more movies about Thor.
They were just like any other culture of the era they fought amongest themselves & with other races but to paint them with the same brush as Nazi Germany!
But yea, they were pretty cool for their time. Some people think they even went farther inland, as far as the Great Lakes. But for the life of me, I'm not seeing that on Wikipedia. Granted, it was in a Clive Cussler book...
Yea, even in the book they said it was a flimsy theory. They also said that Homer's Odyssey also took place in the Atlantic, and Troy was actually on the southern shores of the UK.rs2000 said:Ok fair enough they might hae been pretty heavy handed but then again who wasn't, this country was invaded by (in decending order) the Normans (viking decendants) the Vikings, the Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Celts & who knowes what other nomadic peoples of the time!G1eet said:Don't jump the gun, I was likening their militaristic tendencies.rs2000 said:Well The vikings may have been portraid as violent & blood thristy but they were also merchants, traders & explorers, traveled as far as Constaniople & the volga river in Russia (thanx wiki ^_^)G1eet said:Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
At least there'd be more movies about Thor.
They were just like any other culture of the era they fought amongest themselves & with other races but to paint them with the same brush as Nazi Germany!
But yea, they were pretty cool for their time. Some people think they even went farther inland, as far as the Great Lakes. But for the life of me, I'm not seeing that on Wikipedia. Granted, it was in a Clive Cussler book...
We know for sure that that they got as far as New Foundland becuase of the archeology so no reason to say they may have got further on to the main land! & yes i've read a Clive Cussler book, it was.....different!
Interesting theroy though how practical i don't know, their is a theroy that states Pharoes daughter travelled with her husband to the north of England, her name was Scota!G1eet said:Yea, even in the book they said it was a flimsy theory. They also said that Homer's Odyssey also took place in the Atlantic, and Troy was actually on the southern shores of the UK.rs2000 said:Ok fair enough they might hae been pretty heavy handed but then again who wasn't, this country was invaded by (in decending order) the Normans (viking decendants) the Vikings, the Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Celts & who knowes what other nomadic peoples of the time!G1eet said:Don't jump the gun, I was likening their militaristic tendencies.rs2000 said:Well The vikings may have been portraid as violent & blood thristy but they were also merchants, traders & explorers, traveled as far as Constaniople & the volga river in Russia (thanx wiki ^_^)G1eet said:Let's not put ourselves down just yet. If the Vikings had colonized the Americas, they'd have founded an empire that would be more barbaric and militaristic than Sparta and Nazi Germany combined.rs2000 said:Norseman Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland about the year 1001 CE & i meant to say 600 years not 6, but yea point taken Us euro trash really screwed over the New World!G1eet said:My point was that, once you got past the Western European colonists, Scandinavians knew about the New World a thousand years before Columbus.rs2000 said:The Viking race were not the peoples on the Mayflower, they came a few hundred years after the fact, i think your getting confused between the Vikings discovering Vinland which is New Foundland about 6 years prior to Columbus.G1eet said:Good luck killing vikings, even with your superior firepower.Gorbek said:Everyone on The Mayflower If not the people who discovered America anyway.
Not to mention any other dudes that made it there but aren't written into the history books.
The People on the May Flower were british & came from Plymouth & Newark (near where i live) Hence the Plymouth Brethern. They were the Puritans who burnt the "witchs" at Salem.
At least there'd be more movies about Thor.
They were just like any other culture of the era they fought amongest themselves & with other races but to paint them with the same brush as Nazi Germany!
But yea, they were pretty cool for their time. Some people think they even went farther inland, as far as the Great Lakes. But for the life of me, I'm not seeing that on Wikipedia. Granted, it was in a Clive Cussler book...
We know for sure that that they got as far as New Foundland becuase of the archeology so no reason to say they may have got further on to the main land! & yes i've read a Clive Cussler book, it was.....different!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Troy_Once_Stood
Woops, those are two different theories from two different books. In Valhalla Rising, he said the Vikings made it all the way up the Hudson River in New York.