Poll: If you could know your baby's sexual orientation...

[TheRundownRabbit]

Listen, I want a son who can grow up playing catch with me.

 

[NBSRDan]

If given the opportunity to decide my future child(ren)'s sexual orientation, I would have it be fully bisexual. If the only options were exclusively heterosexual or exclusively homosexual, I would choose hetero'.
I am a hetero' myself.

 

[Superhyperactiveman]

This is really a tough one. On one hand, I'm literally homophobic (I'm not intolerant. I'm very much for gay people and their battle, and I even have a few gay friends. It's impossible not to when you're a drama-nerd.) Homosexuality itself scares the bajeezus out of me. I've been getting better. I can be near two gay people holding hands and not feel uncomfortable. But I still get freaked out by it in general. I don't think I'd be able to handle having a gay child. I would still love them... I'd just be scared of them...

On the other hand, I think that God has His own plan and I shouldn't interfere with it. If He wants me to have a gay child, then it must be for a reason. (Please don't flame me for being a theist...)

I think I'd just leave it in God's hands...

 

[Livianicen]

This is really a tough one. On one hand, I'm literally homophobic (I'm not intolerant. I'm very much for gay people and their battle, and I even have a few gay friends. It's impossible not to when you're a drama-nerd.) Homosexuality itself scares the bajeezus out of me. I've been getting better. I can be near two gay people holding hands and not feel uncomfortable. But I still get freaked out by it in general. I don't think I'd be able to handle having a gay child. I would still love them... I'd just be scared of them...

On the other hand, I think that God has His own plan and I shouldn't interfere with it. If He wants me to have a gay child, then it must be for a reason. (Please don't flame me for being a theist...)

I think I'd just leave it in God's hands...

This seems like an akward time to tell you God is a homosexual.

In questions like these, my opinion always leans closest to "kill the baby". I hate children and I think there's too many people, no matter who they like to fuck. On that note, in my eyes, homosexuality = not a choice. Fucking people of the same sex = Choice. Controlling your actions don't remove the desire; I don't think you can train away homosexuality.

Also, I'm scared shitless about messing with nature. Not that I'd ever have a child, but if one popped up and it was gay, I'd probably let nature sort that shit out the best way it knows how. Trying to interfere with nature = baaad idea.

 

[Xojins]

I would make him straight.

Why? Just because I feel it should be that way. I don't approve of Homosexuality, but as long as you aren't a flamer, you know, a "HEEEEYYYYYY GUUUUYYYSSS!" kind of gay, then I'm fine with you.

All Homosexuals who were offended by this post: Sorry.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of homosexuals who get pissed off by gay men who play into that stereotype too.

Yeah, like me. I hate when guys play into that stereotype. But it pisses me off just as much when people automatically associate that image with homosexuality. It represents a small percentage of the gay population, and people stereotype all of us as acting like that. It's the same as thinking that all black people are lazy or "thug." I am black as well so that one annoys me as well.

 

[Ezekel]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

people can overcome being a hemophiliac??? DOWN SYNDROME IS OVERCOMABLE??? OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Diseases are very different from propensities. Some people are genetically predispositioned to alcoholism, or temper, or liking meat more than vegetables. A person can stop drinking alcohol, can learn to control their temper, or can become a vegetarian.

Diseases are not actions, homosexuality is an action. We have control over our actions, is it complete control? No, but saying that someone that is genetically predispositioned to something is incapable of overcoming it is not true.

wow...i really wasnt expecting that one o.o you win this round sir.

However, does the alcoholic HAVE to control his alcoholism? Does the tempermental person have to control his temper? Only when its detramental to other things. I can throw a temper tantrum while trying to drink myself to death, but if all i do is jump up and down on my own floor then proceeding to throw up on myself, is anyone going to care? i sure as hell hope not.

but i dont think thats what you were arguing, sorry. but feel free to proceed =D

Of course you don't have to, but you can. Obviously it is up to the person whether or not to do so. I could of course argue that alcoholism and temper can adversely affect other people, but that is not really the point of my argument. What I am saying is that, if I consider any kind of action wrong it is my right to do so. I do not impose my conscience on others, but I can still have it.

Now certain things are genetically beyond peoples control, height for example as well as to some degree weight. This falls under the example of things I cannot conceivably consider to be moral choices. Ones race and gender fall under this category. Ones sexuality is still largely an action. You have to do something to a certain extent to be sexual. It is always a struggle to go against genetic disposition but it is not impossible.

Now I understand that not all people can understand why myself or anyone would say that being homosexual is wrong. I have my views on the subject, they have theirs. Each one considers themselves to be right and the opposite view to be wrong.

I cannot decide people actions for them, it is not my right. Neither is it their right to accuse me of being intolerant because I do not condone them. I do not hate them for their actions, I just consider them wrong.

Many people, alot of them Christian, get this wrong and hate both the one doing the action and the action itself. Christ called for the love of enemies and the hatred of evil. I am not declaring homosexuals, or alcoholic, or people of violent temperament my enemy, or even calling them evil. I struggle with my own lump of genetic predispositions that I consider wrong, and so does everyone else.

If I declare anyone else wrong, by my own guidelines I accuse myself as well. Everything that I notice wrong that someone else has done I have struggled and failed in as well, not the same action in exactness but something that comes out of the same spirit or type.

This does not make it impossible to declare an action right or wrong, but I must do so with understanding. If I could apologize for all those who claim to be christians and yet do not follow the teachings of Christ, I would, but it would not accomplish anything. I can merely try to uphold the teachings of Christ and teach them to others, by action and word.

 

[Grand_Arcana]

Yay, for the Escapist being open-minded!

Though, I was surprised that there are actually homosexuals who would change their child's orientation to gay (2 prick to be precise). That seems so hypocritical, to fight for the right to express your sexual feelings, but then force your child to become just like you. I can understand the sincerity in wanting a straight child to avoid the confusion, the hatred, and the depression, but I can't empathize as much with a homosexual forcing their child to be gay.

 

[Grand_Arcana]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

That's great! I'll get back to you when I wish myself a narrow nose, thin lips, and white skin.

 

[Shock and Awe]

I would change them, I want grandkids damnit.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

I wouldn't care what orientation they are, as long as thier happy with who they are. Its their life, All I'll do is support them, I wouldnt dare make them something they dont want.

Wheres my Bisexual option? >:\ lol...

I was wondering the same myself. I'm bisexual and would refrain from getting the damn test. .

Ditto, though I dare not tell my parents, I'd be kicked out. (Homophobic Parents.)

 

[Vuljatar]

I'm straight, and I would prefer to have a straight son. Not because I have any problems with homosexuality, but because it'd be another thing we'd have in common, and something we could talk about--hot chicks. Just like I'd prefer him to like video games and classic rock music, and hate rap, etc.

I wouldn't have any problem with a child of mine being gay, though.

 

[PrinceoN]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

people can overcome being a hemophiliac??? DOWN SYNDROME IS OVERCOMABLE??? OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Diseases are very different from propensities. Some people are genetically predispositioned to alcoholism, or temper, or liking meat more than vegetables. A person can stop drinking alcohol, can learn to control their temper, or can become a vegetarian.

Diseases are not actions, homosexuality is an action. We have control over our actions, is it complete control? No, but saying that someone that is genetically predispositioned to something is incapable of overcoming it is not true.

wow...i really wasnt expecting that one o.o you win this round sir.

However, does the alcoholic HAVE to control his alcoholism? Does the tempermental person have to control his temper? Only when its detramental to other things. I can throw a temper tantrum while trying to drink myself to death, but if all i do is jump up and down on my own floor then proceeding to throw up on myself, is anyone going to care? i sure as hell hope not.

but i dont think thats what you were arguing, sorry. but feel free to proceed =D

Of course you don't have to, but you can. Obviously it is up to the person whether or not to do so. I could of course argue that alcoholism and temper can adversely affect other people, but that is not really the point of my argument. What I am saying is that, if I consider any kind of action wrong it is my right to do so. I do not impose my conscience on others, but I can still have it.

Now certain things are genetically beyond peoples control, height for example as well as to some degree weight. This falls under the example of things I cannot conceivably consider to be moral choices. Ones race and gender fall under this category. Ones sexuality is still largely an action. You have to do something to a certain extent to be sexual. It is always a struggle to go against genetic disposition but it is not impossible.

Now I understand that not all people can understand why myself or anyone would say that being homosexual is wrong. I have my views on the subject, they have theirs. Each one considers themselves to be right and the opposite view to be wrong.

I cannot decide people actions for them, it is not my right. Neither is it their right to accuse me of being intolerant because I do not condone them. I do not hate them for their actions, I just consider them wrong.

Many people, alot of them Christian, get this wrong and hate both the one doing the action and the action itself. Christ called for the love of enemies and the hatred of evil. I am not declaring homosexuals, or alcoholic, or people of violent temperament my enemy, or even calling them evil. I struggle with my own lump of genetic predispositions that I consider wrong, and so does everyone else.

If I declare anyone else wrong, by my own guidelines I accuse myself as well. Everything that I notice wrong that someone else has done I have struggled and failed in as well, not the same action in exactness but something that comes out of the same spirit or type.

This does not make it impossible to declare an action right or wrong, but I must do so with understanding. If I could apologize for all those who claim to be christians and yet do not follow the teachings of Christ, I would, but it would not accomplish anything. I can merely try to uphold the teachings of Christ and teach them to others, by action and word.

holy crap...you sir, win. just win. if you truely live by the ways that you just stated, then you are indeed the type of person i wish to be around.

thank you for inspiring back in me that not all the world is full of radicalists and extremists and twats

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

To those people arguing that homosexuality isn't in the genes, I have two words: Twin Studies.

Do a little research before you proclaim your bigoted opinions, because they're wrong.
Though I suppose if you choose to be ignorant, go ahead.

OP: I'd leave my child as he/she is.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

people can overcome being a hemophiliac??? DOWN SYNDROME IS OVERCOMABLE??? OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Diseases are very different from propensities. Some people are genetically predispositioned to alcoholism, or temper, or liking meat more than vegetables. A person can stop drinking alcohol, can learn to control their temper, or can become a vegetarian.

Diseases are not actions, homosexuality is an action. We have control over our actions, is it complete control? No, but saying that someone that is genetically predispositioned to something is incapable of overcoming it is not true.

wow...i really wasnt expecting that one o.o you win this round sir.

However, does the alcoholic HAVE to control his alcoholism? Does the tempermental person have to control his temper? Only when its detramental to other things. I can throw a temper tantrum while trying to drink myself to death, but if all i do is jump up and down on my own floor then proceeding to throw up on myself, is anyone going to care? i sure as hell hope not.

but i dont think thats what you were arguing, sorry. but feel free to proceed =D

What he failed miserably to point out, is there is a difference to overcoming something, and burying something deep in your psyche. I could stop being Bi right now and go out with only women... I would still have that hungering for a bit of a Manwich whenever when I see a male my mind has come to reference as my ideal build, but I will control it and fight it back. Humans cannot COMPLETELY overcome there instincts, but they can sure as hell repress them. If you don't believe me then just ask any catholic priest (Sorry, low blow joke, but I had too) The pedophilic tendancy people that have repressed their desire for children still have such desires, but they repress them deep, as the few cases with that catholic priest fiasco went to show us, some better then others.

If someone can completely demolish gay tendencies, then he obviously wasn't born gay. Basically, take a straight man, have him sleep with men to his disgust, and over time, he will force himself to become used to fucking a guy, BUT, his love for women will remain, no matter how buried in his psyche such desires will become, they will always be there.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

Listen, I want a son who can grow up playing catch with me.

That's called playing into a stereotype. There are gay athletes.

Spoiler: Link.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/611/is_baseball_ready_for_a_gay_jackie_robinson/

 

[Novandor]

To those people arguing that homosexuality isn't in the genes, I have two words: Twin Studies.

Do a little research before you proclaim your bigoted opinions, because they're wrong.
Though I suppose if you choose to be ignorant, go ahead.

OP: I'd leave my child as he/she is.

I didn't know about Twin Studies. Cool, thanks for mentioning that.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

*snip*

I concur.

Choosing to be gay does not equate to choosing to be sexually active with people of the same sex.

I don't think homosexuality is a choice, and arguing that you can choose not to have sex with people of the same sex isn't exactly valid for the whole 'choice' issue.

 

[Lavi]

I don't have a problem with gays and i'm a heterosexual, as long as they aren't in your face about it

No, that means you do have a problem with it. 'As long as' is equivalent to the word 'but'. It's okay to be gay means as fucking 'gay' as someone wants. These phrases are not innocent and should not be displayed as such.

Anyways, I'm gay, and I wouldn't change the genes mostly cause I don't give a shit who my children will wanna bang.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

To those people arguing that homosexuality isn't in the genes, I have two words: Twin Studies.

Do a little research before you proclaim your bigoted opinions, because they're wrong.
Though I suppose if you choose to be ignorant, go ahead.

OP: I'd leave my child as he/she is.

I didn't know about Twin Studies. Cool, thanks for mentioning that.

No problem. Twin studies are really interesting in general, and give some evidence as to many things that we're genetically predetermined to do. I remember reading about one where two identical twins were separated at birth and raised by different families, but both became firemen, both married women who had the same name, even named their dogs the same name.

Odd stuff indeed.

 

[War Penguin]

I would not change him or her. Why? Because if I didn't love him or her as he or she is what kind of father would I be?