Poll: If you were in Corrin's place, would you choose Nohr or Hoshido? (FE: Fates, tag any major spoilers)

[lucky_sharm]

Setting aside the Revelation choice, I personally think there's realistically no way anyone would go back to Nohr after experiencing what Corrin does, all in one day. To start with, Garon orders you to cut down warriors that have already been defeated, then tries to coax Xander into killing you after disobeying him. THEN he purposefully sends you on a suicide mission while partnering you up with a bloodthirsty lunatic that ignites conflict with Hoshidans on top of killing your servant and attempting your life as well.

The biggest deal breaker, however, is what happens when you meet Mikoto face to face, your real mother. The sword Garon gifted you with obliterates an entire city, while Mikoto sacrifices herself to save you from its onslaught. And finally you remember that your real father was slain by Garon and kidnapped you as a child.

If not to make Garon answer for blowing up a city along with killing your real mother and father, why would you come back to a man who wants you dead at every turn? Heck if you side with Nohr the first thing he does is order Xander to execute you. Literally the only thing Nohr has to offer is the siblings you grew up with who genuinely care for you, but for some reason have unflinching loyalty to Garon no matter what awful acts he commits. Every encounter Corrin has with his Nohr siblings he begs them to join his side, but they all refuse while either condemning Corrin as a traitor or feeling they have to kill him out of honor.

That's me though, what do you all think?

 

[Fappy]

It makes literally no sense at all that Nohr is even an option after what happens between Chapters 1-5. Honestly pretty miffed that Hoshido is so obviously the good guys and that Nohr is the bad. Was hoping for a more morally grey story.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

It makes literally no sense at all that Nohr is even an option after what happens between Chapters 1-5. Honestly pretty miffed that Hoshido is so obviously the good guys and that Nohr is the bad. Was hoping for a more morally grey story.

to be fair Corrin has pretty much grow up with the Nohr their entire life, there his/her family and I'm nowhere near finished but it seems like she's trying to fix them from the inside but yes I think it would work better if it was gray and some dark force was manipulating them to fight

( once again barely through the games yet so no spoilers)

 

[Erttheking]

It makes literally no sense at all that Nohr is even an option after what happens between Chapters 1-5. Honestly pretty miffed that Hoshido is so obviously the good guys and that Nohr is the bad. Was hoping for a more morally grey story.

Basically. The only reason given for joining Nohr is that they raised you. And that's kind of tainted by the fact that they kept your bloodline a secret and kidnapped you when you were a kid.

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

It makes literally no sense at all that Nohr is even an option after what happens between Chapters 1-5. Honestly pretty miffed that Hoshido is so obviously the good guys and that Nohr is the bad. Was hoping for a more morally grey story.

IIRC, Nintendo hired a manga writer to do the story. I'm not sure if the story was a result of poor writing or bad localization, or some of both.

But it's pretty obvious that I'd side with Hoshido. Somehow, I'd had my memory erased, and my siblings and "father" have lied to me for almost my whole life about who I was and where I was from. I would've thought that if my brothers and sisters truly loved me, they would care a lot more about their father manipulating their brother/sister into going on an unwitting suicide mission and killing innocent people.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I was... kinda disapointed, this being my first Fire Emblem game, that I don't have more control over the story.

I would of join Nohr if I could make Corrin be callous and cold, but right from the start He/She is as kind and Niave as a Golden Retriever.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

I hadn't played Conquest yet, but from my understanding there's a civil war story where you are part of a resistance group against the king, but I could be wrong.

But the thing about playing conquest is you would not likely know what happens in Hoshido because, well, you aren't there. I'd imagine the entire flow of history changes because you're not in the same places at the same time.

I'm not a huge fan of the old school linear plot style, but I do plan on playing that route.

Spoiler: Until I've played both games, I CHOOSE

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[Hero of Lime]

Corrin's actions in the conquest campaign are rather justified. Instead of destroying the kingdom he/she was raised in, they decide to reform its image to others by being less brutal, and taking out the corrupt side of things. I was hoping that Hoshido would have some darker secrets to make them not so painfully "good." But Nohr itself isn't shown to be bad per se. Just the king and his close adviser are making things awful.

Having played both versions now, I like Corrin's strategy to bring peace in CQ more. Even if it was far from perfect.

 

[EternallyBored]

I hadn't played Conquest yet, but from my understanding there's a civil war story where you are part of a resistance group against the king, but I could be wrong.

But the thing about playing conquest is you would not likely know what happens in Hoshido because, well, you aren't there. I'd imagine the entire flow of history changes because you're not in the same places at the same time.

I'm not a huge fan of the old school linear plot style, but I do plan on playing that route.

Spoiler: Until I've played both games, I CHOOSE

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Not gonna spoil plot twists, but I'll be talking about the first half of the Conquest storyline, so be warned.

Eh, not really, since you spend the first 6 chapters before making a choice, you already know a lot of what's going on in Hoshido, including the whole, "your father using you to try and assassinate the royal family with an exploding sword" thing. Even after that, you know your father is starting a war with Hoshido for no discernible reason. In conquest, you go back to Nohr to get an explanation for why he tried to kill you, then pretty much latch on to a massive idiot ball for the first half of the story as king garon continues to either try and get your siblings to kill you, or sends you out on various quests acting as both suicide missions and suppressing the people sick of his shit.

Yeah, you eventually convince your Nohr siblings to rebel against the king, but its after spending way WAY too long acting like a kicked puppy that keeps returning to king Garon out of some misguided attempt to try and convince him to stop killing people just by asking really nicely. Your siblings also spend way too long making excuses for him despite spending every chapter either going out of their way to try and subvert his orders, or sending their retainers out to prevent the various suicide quests he gives you from actually killing you or helping prevent mass slaughter. He actually kills the leader of the resistance movement, a character that joins you in the Birthright route, before you finally get clue one in your head and manage to start a resistance yourself.

So, you aren't wrong, you do side with Nohr and overthrow the king from within, after spending half the game doing various missions for him as he blusters and yells and threatens to kill all his children multiple times, and asks you to supress all the various rebel groups standing against him, which you do. You can spin it as you and your siblings trying to do good things while Garon's army is out conquering and pillaging, generally using your forces to make sure the things you do aren't quite as bloody and oppressive as they would have been if the regular army had done it.

Neither story is fantastic, but the general agreement I've seen is that Birthright is superioir to Conquest in the story department, as Conquest kind of hinges on Corrin acting like a colossally naive idiot for a good chunk of the game.

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

I was... kinda disapointed, this being my first Fire Emblem game, that I don't have more control over the story.

I would of join Nohr if I could make Corrin be callous and cold, but right from the start He/She is as kind and Niave as a Golden Retriever.

Eh. Player choice was never the series' strong suit; rather, it was about how the characters interacted with each other. Most of the story's writing is found inside the support conversations.

If you're going into Fire Emblem expecting something along the lines of a Bioware-style amount of player choice, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I was... kinda disapointed, this being my first Fire Emblem game, that I don't have more control over the story.

I would of join Nohr if I could make Corrin be callous and cold, but right from the start He/She is as kind and Niave as a Golden Retriever.

Eh. Player choice was never the series' strong suit; rather, it was about how the characters interacted with each other. Most of the story's writing is found inside the support conversations.

If you're going into Fire Emblem expecting something along the lines of a Bioware-style amount of player choice, you're going to be disappointed.

I am.

Though I do like the tactician gameplay.

 

[kenu12345]

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?

 

[Souplex]

IIRC, Nintendo hired a manga writer to do the story. I'm not sure if the story was a result of poor writing or bad localization, or some of both.

That explains so much! The writing has felt like bad Japanimu since Awakening.
Intelligent Systems needs to fire the writers/localization team for Awakening/Fates, and bring back the people who wrote the GBA games and the Radiant cycle.
Come the fateful decision, I'd take Xander aside, and explain the messed up shit Garon has done, and tell him we need to kill Garon so he can take the throne.
If he agrees with me, I explain my decision to the Hoshidans, if he refuses I side withe the Hoshidans.

 

[SlumlordThanatos]

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

IIRC, Nintendo hired a manga writer to do the story. I'm not sure if the story was a result of poor writing or bad localization, or some of both.

That explains so much! The writing has felt like bad Japanimu since Awakening.
Intelligent Systems needs to fire the writers/localization team for Awakening/Fates, and bring back the people who wrote the GBA games and the Radiant cycle.
Come the fateful decision, I'd take Xander aside, and explain the messed up shit Garon has done, and tell him we need to kill Garon so he can take the throne.
If he agrees with me, I explain my decision to the Hoshidans, if he refuses I side withe the Hoshidans.

I think they need to get whoever wrote the Paper Mario games on Fire Emblem.

 

[kenu12345]

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?

I have and I have finished both paths.

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.

I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside

 

[Souplex]

IIRC, Nintendo hired a manga writer to do the story. I'm not sure if the story was a result of poor writing or bad localization, or some of both.

That explains so much! The writing has felt like bad Japanimu since Awakening.
Intelligent Systems needs to fire the writers/localization team for Awakening/Fates, and bring back the people who wrote the GBA games and the Radiant cycle.
Come the fateful decision, I'd take Xander aside, and explain the messed up shit Garon has done, and tell him we need to kill Garon so he can take the throne.
If he agrees with me, I explain my decision to the Hoshidans, if he refuses I side withe the Hoshidans.

I think they need to get whoever wrote the Paper Mario games on Fire Emblem.

While that would be good, have you played the GBA games and the Radiant cycle?
In terms of story they're all pretty great.
Blazing Sword (Just FE in Freedomland) was great story and gameplay-wise.
Sacred Stones was good story and gameplay-wise.
Path of Radiance was amazing story and gameplay-wise.
Radiant Dawn was amazing gameplay-wise, and great story-wise.
Shadow Dragon was tolerable story-wise and awful gameplay-wise. (Although how much of that came from being strapped to old story and removing newer mechanics to be retro-friendly is unknown to me)
Awakening is bad story-wise and tolerable gameplay-wise.
Fates is awful story-wise and good gameplay-wise.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?

I have and I have finished both paths.

Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.

You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.

I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside

Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who

Spoiler

basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

IIRC, Nintendo hired a manga writer to do the story. I'm not sure if the story was a result of poor writing or bad localization, or some of both.

That explains so much! The writing has felt like bad Japanimu since Awakening.
Intelligent Systems needs to fire the writers/localization team for Awakening/Fates, and bring back the people who wrote the GBA games and the Radiant cycle.
Come the fateful decision, I'd take Xander aside, and explain the messed up shit Garon has done, and tell him we need to kill Garon so he can take the throne.
If he agrees with me, I explain my decision to the Hoshidans, if he refuses I side withe the Hoshidans.

I think they need to get whoever wrote the Paper Mario games on Fire Emblem.

While that would be good, have you played the GBA games and the Radiant cycle?
In terms of story they're all pretty great.
Blazing Sword (Just FE in Freedomland) was great story and gameplay-wise.
Sacred Stones was good story and gameplay-wise.
Path of Radiance was amazing story and gameplay-wise.
Radiant Dawn was amazing gameplay-wise, and great story-wise.
Shadow Dragon was tolerable story-wise and awful gameplay-wise. (Although how much of that came from being strapped to old story and removing newer mechanics to be retro-friendly is unknown to me)
Awakening is bad story-wise and tolerable gameplay-wise.
Fates is awful story-wise and good gameplay-wise.

Yeah, I played all the GBA ones that released in the US and the gamecube one.