Poll: If you were in Corrin's place, would you choose Nohr or Hoshido? (FE: Fates, tag any major spoilers)

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Hoshido most likely.
Only because Garon is just so evil and so wicked that he is poison. I'd feel aweful abandoning my Nohr siblings, who I love in the story and actually have very tragic lives but this is the point where I would have to be selfish and have some self preservation.
I choose Nohr by the way because I liked the idea of a more challenging game and the European esthetic. I also find the units you recrute including your siblings to be quite the odd characters.
I'm a going a bit slow and I'm only a little over half way through Nohr's story. I'm actually enjoying it a lot so far inspite of Corrin's na?vet
 

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ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
 

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kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
Oh yeah, I get that, but from what Corrin sees and hears right up to the decision point that's all the info I got to work on. And from the reactions of my siblings, the king is not exactly acting out of character. It seems likely that going back to Nohr is going to end bad. Personally, I wish they had given me a good hook to go back, Nohr has by far the better family.
 

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ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
Oh yeah, I get that, but from what Corrin sees and hears right up to the decision point that's all the info I got to work on. And from the reactions of my siblings, the king is not exactly acting out of character. It seems likely that going back to Nohr is going to end bad. Personally, I wish they had given me a good hook to go back, Nohr has by far the better family.
I don't know. Maybe its just me, but up to that point besides given the sword by Garon I didn't feel like there was enough for me to betray my siblings and I would have went back at the start for the same reasons as Corrin, answers. Not to say I would do the same things as Corrin afterwords but I still feel its logical
 

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kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
Considering late game I think it's pretty obvious he was trying to get you killed in Hoshido, especially since (late game spoilers):

especially since Garon died before ever meeting corrin, and the imposter is a puppet of the dark dragon Anankos. The dragon detonated the sword, and the dragon is the pupeeteer of Garon who's essentially just a really powerful faceless. The dragon is also seen attempting to possess Takumi in both routes, and in Conquest, he comes back at the end as a corpse fully possessed by the dark dragon similar to Garon.
 

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EternallyBored said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
Considering late game I think it's pretty obvious he was trying to get you killed in Hoshido, especially since (late game spoilers):

especially since Garon died before ever meeting corrin, and the imposter is a puppet of the dark dragon Anankos. The dragon detonated the sword, and the dragon is the pupeeteer of Garon who's essentially just a really powerful faceless. The dragon is also seen attempting to possess Takumi in both routes, and in Conquest, he comes back at the end as a corpse fully possessed by the dark dragon similar to Garon.
You could have put what end game spoilers that was and we are talking in context of the first few chapters
 

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kenu12345 said:
EternallyBored said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
ThatOtherGirl said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
Out of curiosity, have you played the games at all? Have you actually reached to the choice?
I have and I have finished both paths.
SlumlordThanatos said:
kenu12345 said:
Nohr all the way. I see no reason to betray the trust of people I grew up with and love when I could stay with them and find a way to make things better from the inside. Sorry, but just cause someone I barely know comes up to me and says they are related by blood doesn't mean I'll drop everything and betray the people I love.
You do know that Garon basically sends you on a suicide mission, and when you survive, his troops try to finish you off?

If a bunch of people I'd never met came up to me and told me that I was their long-lost sibling, I'd pay more attention to what they have to say once I found out my father erased my memories of my early life, lied to me, and then sent me on a suicide mission.
I still wouldn't abandoned the siblings I love and have been defending me up to that point. Not to mention that I could change things from the inside
Eh, fair enough, but personally I draw the line at willingly putting myself under the man who
basically strapped a suicide vest to me and sent me off to blow up a head of state. For one, I would seriously fear for my life.

And personally, I think once a system gets to non-voluntary suicide bombers it is beyond "changing from the inside" unless you mean getting close to the king so you can murder the shit out of him.
Honestly so far I haven't seen enough proof to say if he was the one behind that or not honestly. I don't know much but there is obviously something going on behind the screen by a third party since
Garon wasn't the only one that turned into a dick and Conquest does start with you investigating this
Considering late game I think it's pretty obvious he was trying to get you killed in Hoshido, especially since (late game spoilers):

especially since Garon died before ever meeting corrin, and the imposter is a puppet of the dark dragon Anankos. The dragon detonated the sword, and the dragon is the pupeeteer of Garon who's essentially just a really powerful faceless. The dragon is also seen attempting to possess Takumi in both routes, and in Conquest, he comes back at the end as a corpse fully possessed by the dark dragon similar to Garon.
You could have put what end game spoilers that was and we are talking in context of the first few chapters
Even in the context of the first few chapters it's obvious that the faceless are being summoned by Nohr, and the avatar has already had his father directly order his execution then sent him on a mission where he was conveniently betrayed by a soldier specifically assigned by his father before getting kidnapped. Even the in game incredibly naive Corrin quickly comes to the correct conclusion that his father knew the sword would do that and gave it to him for just such a purpose. Even if we are only going with early game knowledge, corrin has no reason to believe his father won't just execute him upon returning, since he already tried to do it once, and does indeed try it again on return to Nohr. The only reason he doesn't just straight up assassinate you is because he wants to you experience despair and break before dying, if he genuinely thought you were a threat he would kill you and your entire Nohr family in chapter 7.

As for spoilers, I'm being vague as specifying any more would kind of spoil the plot point, there's really no way to put it that wouldn't make it obvious. Besides, it's not exactly some master stroke of writing and foreshadowing, if anything it makes the story worse.
 

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PLEASE NOTE: I have not played Revelations so please don't spoil me on that front.

Honestly, I would of stayed with Nohr.
No matter how much bloodties you have with another family, the family that raised you is the only one you know and trust. I honestly don't think whatever scheme King Garon did while you were in Hoshido would change that.
Quite frankly it's surreal (and almost world breaking to me) how someone who was basically stuck in isolation their entire life still has intense empathy and kindness for other people. What's more, why did King Garon think that doing that, with literally zero influence on Corrin until they got older was even remotely a good idea.
People who go to the lengths to do that would usually follow up with a good ol' dose of propoganda, lies, and morality influencing to become as heartless and/or blinded as the rest of the Nohrian family. I would even wager that 80% of the problems King Garon would have with Corrin wouldn't exist.

But ranting aside, Nohr. From a logical standpoint nobody can really just abandon the family that raised them all their life. Especially if the siblings took great pains to love and cherish you as their own.
If this was to work better Corrin should of been swapped with Azura. That women actually has a reason to not really give a fuck about Hoshido, despite how kind they were.
 

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Dragonbums said:
PLEASE NOTE: I have not played Revelations so please don't spoil me on that front.

Honestly, I would of stayed with Nohr.
No matter how much bloodties you have with another family, the family that raised you is the only one you know and trust. I honestly don't think whatever scheme King Garon did while you were in Hoshido would change that.
Quite frankly it's surreal (and almost world breaking to me) how someone who was basically stuck in isolation their entire life still has intense empathy and kindness for other people. What's more, why did King Garon think that doing that, with literally zero influence on Corrin until they got older was even remotely a good idea.
People who go to the lengths to do that would usually follow up with a good ol' dose of propoganda, lies, and morality influencing to become as heartless and/or blinded as the rest of the Nohrian family. I would even wager that 80% of the problems King Garon would have with Corrin wouldn't exist.

But ranting aside, Nohr. From a logical standpoint nobody can really just abandon the family that raised them all their life. Especially if the siblings took great pains to love and cherish you as their own.
If this was to work better Corrin should of been swapped with Azura. That women actually has a reason to not really give a fuck about Hoshido, despite how kind they were.
I think you're getting real isolation confused with what was done to Corrin, you're talking about the effects of total isolation or orchestrated indoctrination, neither of which happened to Corrin. As his support conversations show, he was raised by a caring Butler and maid, his siblings, and people like Silas that snuck him out of the fortress to play when he was little. He had a normal childhood in a fortress that looks like its about the size of a small village, and he says he never actually saw Garon that much.

As for Garon, the Doylist explanation is that if Garon did what you are talking about, then their wouldn't be a game as the protagonist would be too brainwashed or broken to make a choice. The Watsonian explanation is that Garon doesn't actually give that much of a shit about Corrin, at best he's a pawn, and at worst he's just a delivery vehicle for a suicide weapon to provoke war between Hoshido and Nohr, refer to my earlier spoiler for why he doesn't give enough of a shit to bother doing anything but making sure Corrin was competent enough to deliver said exploding sword.

As for the last paragraph, I think you are projecting, I have seen and even helped minors become emancipated and totally abandon their birth family for a hell of a lot less than what Garon did to Corrin, even nicer relatives will generally get abandoned if they are enabling the behavior of the abuser. People regularly abandon the family that raised them all their life, even without abuse, just the clash of opposite personalities has caused children to grow up and move away, cutting all contact with the family that raised them. Especially in Corrin's case where he was raised by genuinely good people in his butler, maid, and the staff of the castle he was in, he wasn't even raised around Garon, the king just popped by every once in a while. In a more realistic scenario he would likely have an even higher chance of just cutting and running as the people that raised him were the staff of the Northern Fortress, at best Garon is a distant absentee father.
 

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I sided withy hoshido , originally knowing nothing of the story, and choosing based solely on the fact that "birthright" was a slightly more original subtitle than "conquest". After making it through the first six acts, though, I can safely say it was the choice I'd have made in that position anyway, though.

I like the Nohr siblings better, but all I saw of them convinced me that they were somehow utterly blind to their father's many, many faults. This fact would stymie my hopes that they could be rallied to oppose him, and, well, after he very clearly attempted to assassinate me, I'd want to be rid of him by the surest course, and aiding an enemy nation seems more sure than trying to foster a coup d'etat.

Having said that, I will say I'm a little disappointed in the Hoshido path so far. I'm still very early in, but the marketing for the game made it seem like this conflict would be a morally grey affair, and thus far the kingdom of Hoshido seems like a nation of saints. Kind of let down by that, but eh... Fire emblem games have always been weak central stories shored up by excellent characters, for me
 

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I'd still choose Noir just to destroy it from the inside. I mean that's what I'm kinda getting so far from the game. Though it seems giving Hoshido mercy at every opportunity would be what I'd do IRL.
 

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Nohr, obviously.

Let's see; some randos who come up and claim to be your family vs. the people you've grown up with and have already proven they care about you. And then what your father tries to do proves its your duty to try and overthrow him as Prince, and that he is acting very strangely even for his normal eccentric behavior.

Then the Hoshido cast of characters being inferior to the Nohr cast.

And then finally finding out that

in Revelations, the true story of Fates, that your father died long ago and was replaced by an agent from the Unseen Kingdom as have several important Hoshido figures, manipulating the two countries into war, meaning you'd be abandoning Nohr for false causes anyway in Birthright.
 

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EternallyBored said:
Dragonbums said:
PLEASE NOTE: I have not played Revelations so please don't spoil me on that front.

Honestly, I would of stayed with Nohr.
No matter how much bloodties you have with another family, the family that raised you is the only one you know and trust. I honestly don't think whatever scheme King Garon did while you were in Hoshido would change that.
Quite frankly it's surreal (and almost world breaking to me) how someone who was basically stuck in isolation their entire life still has intense empathy and kindness for other people. What's more, why did King Garon think that doing that, with literally zero influence on Corrin until they got older was even remotely a good idea.
People who go to the lengths to do that would usually follow up with a good ol' dose of propoganda, lies, and morality influencing to become as heartless and/or blinded as the rest of the Nohrian family. I would even wager that 80% of the problems King Garon would have with Corrin wouldn't exist.

But ranting aside, Nohr. From a logical standpoint nobody can really just abandon the family that raised them all their life. Especially if the siblings took great pains to love and cherish you as their own.
If this was to work better Corrin should of been swapped with Azura. That women actually has a reason to not really give a fuck about Hoshido, despite how kind they were.
I think you're getting real isolation confused with what was done to Corrin, you're talking about the effects of total isolation or orchestrated indoctrination, neither of which happened to Corrin. As his support conversations show, he was raised by a caring Butler and maid, his siblings, and people like Silas that snuck him out of the fortress to play when he was little. He had a normal childhood in a fortress that looks like its about the size of a small village, and he says he never actually saw Garon that much.

As for Garon, the Doylist explanation is that if Garon did what you are talking about, then their wouldn't be a game as the protagonist would be too brainwashed or broken to make a choice. The Watsonian explanation is that Garon doesn't actually give that much of a shit about Corrin, at best he's a pawn, and at worst he's just a delivery vehicle for a suicide weapon to provoke war between Hoshido and Nohr, refer to my earlier spoiler for why he doesn't give enough of a shit to bother doing anything but making sure Corrin was competent enough to deliver said exploding sword.

As for the last paragraph, I think you are projecting, I have seen and even helped minors become emancipated and totally abandon their birth family for a hell of a lot less than what Garon did to Corrin, even nicer relatives will generally get abandoned if they are enabling the behavior of the abuser. People regularly abandon the family that raised them all their life, even without abuse, just the clash of opposite personalities has caused children to grow up and move away, cutting all contact with the family that raised them. Especially in Corrin's case where he was raised by genuinely good people in his butler, maid, and the staff of the castle he was in, he wasn't even raised around Garon, the king just popped by every once in a while. In a more realistic scenario he would likely have an even higher chance of just cutting and running as the people that raised him were the staff of the Northern Fortress, at best Garon is a distant absentee father.
Thank you for the response. Looking at it that way I can see why Hoshido is also a rational choice. I guess I'm (obviously) coming from a background where I am completely unfamiliar with situations like this. But for people who deal with that obviously it would be different.

I did note to an extend that Corrin did have a lot of interaction with other people who weren't ultra assholes. But I guess without a visualization of the place she was in I can't really grasp who massive her living space was.

In general though my main beef is how willingly ignorant the character is in regards to Garon's schemes.
 

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Dragonbums said:
EternallyBored said:
Dragonbums said:
PLEASE NOTE: I have not played Revelations so please don't spoil me on that front.

Honestly, I would of stayed with Nohr.
No matter how much bloodties you have with another family, the family that raised you is the only one you know and trust. I honestly don't think whatever scheme King Garon did while you were in Hoshido would change that.
Quite frankly it's surreal (and almost world breaking to me) how someone who was basically stuck in isolation their entire life still has intense empathy and kindness for other people. What's more, why did King Garon think that doing that, with literally zero influence on Corrin until they got older was even remotely a good idea.
People who go to the lengths to do that would usually follow up with a good ol' dose of propoganda, lies, and morality influencing to become as heartless and/or blinded as the rest of the Nohrian family. I would even wager that 80% of the problems King Garon would have with Corrin wouldn't exist.

But ranting aside, Nohr. From a logical standpoint nobody can really just abandon the family that raised them all their life. Especially if the siblings took great pains to love and cherish you as their own.
If this was to work better Corrin should of been swapped with Azura. That women actually has a reason to not really give a fuck about Hoshido, despite how kind they were.
I think you're getting real isolation confused with what was done to Corrin, you're talking about the effects of total isolation or orchestrated indoctrination, neither of which happened to Corrin. As his support conversations show, he was raised by a caring Butler and maid, his siblings, and people like Silas that snuck him out of the fortress to play when he was little. He had a normal childhood in a fortress that looks like its about the size of a small village, and he says he never actually saw Garon that much.

As for Garon, the Doylist explanation is that if Garon did what you are talking about, then their wouldn't be a game as the protagonist would be too brainwashed or broken to make a choice. The Watsonian explanation is that Garon doesn't actually give that much of a shit about Corrin, at best he's a pawn, and at worst he's just a delivery vehicle for a suicide weapon to provoke war between Hoshido and Nohr, refer to my earlier spoiler for why he doesn't give enough of a shit to bother doing anything but making sure Corrin was competent enough to deliver said exploding sword.

As for the last paragraph, I think you are projecting, I have seen and even helped minors become emancipated and totally abandon their birth family for a hell of a lot less than what Garon did to Corrin, even nicer relatives will generally get abandoned if they are enabling the behavior of the abuser. People regularly abandon the family that raised them all their life, even without abuse, just the clash of opposite personalities has caused children to grow up and move away, cutting all contact with the family that raised them. Especially in Corrin's case where he was raised by genuinely good people in his butler, maid, and the staff of the castle he was in, he wasn't even raised around Garon, the king just popped by every once in a while. In a more realistic scenario he would likely have an even higher chance of just cutting and running as the people that raised him were the staff of the Northern Fortress, at best Garon is a distant absentee father.
Thank you for the response. Looking at it that way I can see why Hoshido is also a rational choice. I guess I'm (obviously) coming from a background where I am completely unfamiliar with situations like this. But for people who deal with that obviously it would be different.

I did note to an extend that Corrin did have a lot of interaction with other people who weren't ultra assholes. But I guess without a visualization of the place she was in I can't really grasp who massive her living space was.

In general though my main beef is how willingly ignorant the character is in regards to Garon's schemes.
Totally agree on the ignorance thing, I like the personalities of the Nohr family more, but you spend way too long waffling back and forth despite Garon blatantly being an evil dick. The sheer amount of time you spend having to convince your thick headed siblings to overthrow Garon really drags the conquest storyline down, by the time you've convinced everyone the story is almost over.

Also, despite me defending choosing Hoshido, I can see the rationale for choosing either side, especially if we are talking about making a choice already knowing all the information. Without knowing the Anankos stuff though, I find the Nohr path harder to pick simply due to the pig headed position of your siblings, made worse by the fact that it takes multiple suicide missions and attempts on your life before they finally decide to overthrow him. Also, the fact that he's been an evil dick for as long as Corrin's known him, so characters like Elise, who's never known non-evil Garon, have even less of an excuse, although the game does actually handle this nicely by having her basically be the first one that comes over to your side.

Either way, forced to choose I'd probably pick Hoshido just because their ruler isn't trying to have me killed, although without any advance knowledge, what happens to the Nohr siblings in the Birthright path would be heartbreaking. If I had knowledge of what was really going on I could see using that to make the Conquest choice less of a head scratching exercise of naively pleading to the king to stop being such an evil dick for 10 missions before finally getting my act together. Ideally, with knowledge of the games, I'd choose neither, as revelations is basically the happy end.
 

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Disclaimer, I have yet to played the game (Dammit EU region).

I can assume I (as in Corrin) would still remain sided to Nohr is to secretly change the nation from the inside? Well that was one of the tagline I read before the game came out. Even then if revenge is the motive, what better is being right in the heart of the nation than being far away from the other side and letting my men doing the exact revenge instead of me.