Poll: Illegal Imigration

[dystopiaINC]

Ok so i was doing some random research of different topics for a possible research paper. and one of the topics hat caught my interest was Illegal Immigration. so i want to ask you fellow escapists.

for Americans, what are your views on it? people living off the government and not paying taxes? sanctuary towns? gangs like ms-13? drug trafficking over the border?

for everyone else do you have this problem in your countries? does it bother you? what do you think about the problem in America? should the close the borders down or open them up?

whats your opinion on illegal immigration?

EDIT: also what do you think of "anchor babies"? An America if your born in the US your automatically a citizen, so an anchor babies is a child born in the states the help keep the parents from being deported. also these babies are eligible for well fare and education on the government's dime, (tax payers money really)

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

Make citizenship easier, of course.

First, we need to accept that not only can we not keep everyone outside our borders, but that there are millions of people who are already here illegally. It's not like we can just find everyone and ship them back, so we need a way to turn them all into legal citizens in an efficient and beneficial way.

Since we can't track down every illegal, we need to provide incentives for them to come forward and request a citizenship. That means no punishment for being here illegally for one. Yes, they'd have to start paying taxes, but as a citizen, they'll have more access to better jobs and the comfort of not breaking the law, so the benefits outweigh the loss. We could also provide optional English lessons to those who only speak Spanish so they can communicate well with the rest of the country.

Also, the companies that employ illegal immigrants are the real problem. They enable their worker's illegal activity while they simultaneously mistreat and abuse them. Ugh

 

[Sectan]

When my great (or great great) uncle emigrated from Norway to America, He had a sponsor. They helped his family get settled in. He had a job waiting for him. His life was planned before he stepped foot in the country. I don't know if this would be possible today, but to me it would seem like a better way to get people off of the government's assistance and running off their own steam. More money going into taxes, more products being bought and all the other good things. I'm probably pretty ignorant on the whole subject and unaware of the consequences of a program like that would be.

 

[Arif_Sohaib]

The anchor babies rule should be dropped as should the one about anyone married to a American citizen getting a Green Card. These are loopholes that are used way too often. I would know because I am a Pakistani and parts of my own family have used these loopholes to immigrate to your country.
Immigrants can also be a security threat and then you blame our country for it when it was a combination of your international arrogance (which makes them want to blow stuff up) and leniency in immigration(that makes them able to blow stuff up) that led to this. You are at war and yet you readily accept people from countries that you are at war with.
At most these people should be allowed to work there to the point that they can afford to run a business in their country and then forced back.
They refuse to contribute to their own country's economy and leech off of yours and they should no longer be tolerated.

 

[electric_warrior]

So long as illegals have every intention of working, and prove so by either working or searching for jobs, then I see absolutely no problem with them being here.

I also think there should be an amnesty for those who have been here for so many years (five or ten or something).

If you pay your way, you can stay.

 

[Blow_Pop]

my big issue(being an American AND living in Southern California) comes from the fact that now, at age 26 I am suddenly expected to learn spanish to get a job since now, from illegal immigration and people being too lazy to learn english, more than half our population is mexican. Personally it doesnae seem fair that I should have to do that in my native country. I have a few friends who their parents had them after crossing the border and I have a few friends who their parents came over here legally. So I have seen both sides of the coin so to speak. It is expensive and a pain in the ass to legally become an American citizen. However, that being said, we need to actually, you know, uphold our own damn constitution and laws regarding immigration instead of just looking the other way. What's the point of having a law if you're going to ignore it? At least Arizona is upholding the law. They had to make their own law a similar one to the countries to do so but at least it is happening somewhere. And yes, I am trying to get out of the States, legally. I want to live over in the UK. Mostly for the weather, but that's another topic altogether.

 

[Hammartroll]

we need to secure the border better because of the drug gangs (or just legalize drugs, that would stop them too) but not put up a wall... people tend to find a way around those.

I voted to make citizenship easier, but I think the correct term would be PROMOTE citizenship, not make the test easier or something. I mean like advertise it and encourage people to be real citizens.
A real big incentive would be to get rid of all government assistance until they become citizens, and if you say that would be tough on them well we can't afford them to be leaches and not offer any taxes back, so if they don't like it they can just go back over the border until they legally come here.

Also, it would help if we assisted Mexico with their economic woes. If Mexico was a good country to live in they wouldn't have a reason to come here. Fix the problem at the root.

I don't like the idea of anchor babies and many don't even believe it's constitutional, or that it wasn't the original intent: http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html
it just seems like a cheap loophole and really dosn't serve the country in a positive way. We have limits on the amount of immigrants allowed in per year for a reason, anchor babies goes against the intention of that limit, makes it almost meaningless.

 

[Hammartroll]

my big issue(being an American AND living in Southern California) comes from the fact that now, at age 26 I am suddenly expected to learn spanish to get a job since now, from illegal immigration and people being too lazy to learn english, more than half our population is mexican. Personally it doesnae seem fair that I should have to do that in my native country. I have a few friends who their parents had them after crossing the border and I have a few friends who their parents came over here legally. So I have seen both sides of the coin so to speak. It is expensive and a pain in the ass to legally become an American citizen. However, that being said, we need to actually, you know, uphold our own damn constitution and laws regarding immigration instead of just looking the other way. What's the point of having a law if you're going to ignore it? At least Arizona is upholding the law. They had to make their own law a similar one to the countries to do so but at least it is happening somewhere. And yes, I am trying to get out of the States, legally. I want to live over in the UK. Mostly for the weather, but that's another topic altogether.

Is it expensive to become a citizen? That dosn't make sense, most immigrants are poor, that's why they come here. A fee would cirtainly encourage illigal immigration.

 

[Hammartroll]

So long as illegals have every intention of working, and prove so by either working or searching for jobs, then I see absolutely no problem with them being here.

I also think there should be an amnesty for those who have been here for so many years (five or ten or something).

If you pay your way, you can stay.

why give them amnesty when they can start the process becoming a citizen any time they want?

 

[Blow_Pop]

my big issue(being an American AND living in Southern California) comes from the fact that now, at age 26 I am suddenly expected to learn spanish to get a job since now, from illegal immigration and people being too lazy to learn english, more than half our population is mexican. Personally it doesnae seem fair that I should have to do that in my native country. I have a few friends who their parents had them after crossing the border and I have a few friends who their parents came over here legally. So I have seen both sides of the coin so to speak. It is expensive and a pain in the ass to legally become an American citizen. However, that being said, we need to actually, you know, uphold our own damn constitution and laws regarding immigration instead of just looking the other way. What's the point of having a law if you're going to ignore it? At least Arizona is upholding the law. They had to make their own law a similar one to the countries to do so but at least it is happening somewhere. And yes, I am trying to get out of the States, legally. I want to live over in the UK. Mostly for the weather, but that's another topic altogether.

Is it expensive to become a citizen? That dosn't make sense, most immigrants are poor, that's why they come here. A fee would cirtainly encourage illigal immigration.

Honestly I don't fully remember since its been a few years since having this discussion and my friend that I would need to ask isnae up yet since it is 6am here. And my google-fu is off right now. I can tell you most of what you need can be found here: http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Office%20of%20Citizenship/Citizenship%20Resource%20Center%20Site/Publications/PDFs/G-1151.pdf
but apart from that I really don't know and am still waking up and trying to refresh myself on Excel since I havenae used it for 8 years and have a test on it later today for an interview

 

[electric_warrior]

So long as illegals have every intention of working, and prove so by either working or searching for jobs, then I see absolutely no problem with them being here.

I also think there should be an amnesty for those who have been here for so many years (five or ten or something).

If you pay your way, you can stay.

why give them amnesty when they can start the process becoming a citizen any time they want?

Why force someone who's been living and working in the country for ten years to begin the process when you can just take their continued and substantial contribution to your country as a substitute for that process?

 

[dystopiaINC]

So long as illegals have every intention of working, and prove so by either working or searching for jobs, then I see absolutely no problem with them being here.

I also think there should be an amnesty for those who have been here for so many years (five or ten or something).

If you pay your way, you can stay.

why give them amnesty when they can start the process becoming a citizen any time they want?

Why force someone who's been living and working in the country for ten years to begin the process when you can just take their continued and substantial contribution to your country as a substitute for that process?

yeah but are they paying taxes? they may be working but it's very unlikely they are paying taxes on what they earn. thats why citizenship is important not just to them but to the country. if we can get them to be legal citizens we can tax them. if we can tax them we get back some of what we give them in welfare.

 

[Hammartroll]

So long as illegals have every intention of working, and prove so by either working or searching for jobs, then I see absolutely no problem with them being here.

I also think there should be an amnesty for those who have been here for so many years (five or ten or something).

If you pay your way, you can stay.

why give them amnesty when they can start the process becoming a citizen any time they want?

Why force someone who's been living and working in the country for ten years to begin the process when you can just take their continued and substantial contribution to your country as a substitute for that process?

The Belgium fellow above put it very well, it encourages people to break the law for 5 years just to be rewarded. It would cause more illigal immigration because if you could manage to stay here for 5 years, which isn't that hard with government assistance, you get a free ticket. While it would be easier for us and them (who've been here for over 5 years) to just grant amnesty, it would be a bad precedent and make our immigration problem worse.

If we just cut all funding to illigals, those who've been here for more than 5 years would find citizinship ASAP... or leave, which is fine too.

 

[trooper6]

Open the borders. You can't have a global free market without the ability of both money and labor to move freely.

Other note: The United States was founded by illegal immigrants.

 

[wilsontheterrible]

Why force someone who's been living and working in the country for ten years to begin the process when you can just take their continued and substantial contribution to your country as a substitute for that process?

Problem is that illegal immigrants routinely take more than they put back into the system. While in the U.S they enjoy the protection of the U.S military, law and order provided by police and justice system, welfare support, medicaid, hospital access, food stamps, public education, and a number of other services that they don't pay for because they don't pay taxes.

The route to citizenship should be streamlined but that does not mean we can be lax on those who did, in fact, break the law. This is a society, society means rules, if you can't live with those rules you can leave.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

England here...
NO! DON'T LET ANYMORE IN!
Seriously though, for such a tiny country we have a HUGE amount of people...

Too many people, not enough jobs...
So i say we seal shut the borders and take over France.
Yes that's right, TAKE OVER FRANCE!


In fact i have set up a chart for you to view too see the problem.

Spoiler: America, you have no right to complain

 

[Eliam_Dar]

I am from Argentina, we have illegal inmigration from the northern countries (mainly Paraguay and Bolivia). And it does bother me. You see, we have free healthcare, free education, and if your son is born in Argentina he is entitled to a small government aid til the age of 18. Now, this is paid with our taxes (and believe me we have heavy taxation). Now, there are buses comming with sick people from the bordering countries to use our healthcare system (which many people believe is going bakrupt because of this), and by law, a hospital cannot deny treatment. We have people coming to have their sons in our country and then they go back to their country, so they can access the government aid (which is supposed to be used in education). And people comes here to send their sons to the schools, without paying taxes.

Sadly political action has been limited and the PC side has always won increasing the pressure over the national budget.

This is Argentina's experience. For this, I tend to agree with the US views on illegal inmigration.