I have no idea I don't know how the music industry works it was just my first thoughts since most radios play the songs that are big and usually the big ones are well known and most well known ones are from record companies.Ken Sapp said:
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I have been listening to his songs since the first MoS video went up and have of course been downloading the videos as well. When I found out he had albums up for sale I bought them. In my opinion I am supporting him better than if he were to sign with a label where he would be forced to crap out the same sounding crap as every other band since "that is what the public wants because that is what we tell the radio stations to play".Hawk eye1466 said:
I think your right if he were to be signed then he would have to abide by all the rules I'm sure a studio would have for him right now he has total freedom to make whatever he wants whenever he wants and experiment with his music whenever he wants.Ken Sapp said:
Yep. And to address your earlier question/comment: The music charts are a rigged game. To get record sales a band/artist generally needs to get airplay and since music labels basically tell radio stations what to play the bands/artists and albums that get sold are the ones the music labels push.Hawk eye1466 said:
And besides that, the last I checked into the situation record labels take most of the money from retail sales. To make more than a pittance, bands have to go on concert tours and even then they are splitting ticket revenues with the ticket vendors, venue owners and promoters.
Okay... so, weird new type of trolling? ...attempted satire of "pirates" who complain that their favorite music gets overlooked because of charts? ... I'm just not sure why you'd put all that in. I might just be a dumb yank here, but I'm not catching the intended humor.SpectacularWebHead said:
Anyway... to the original topic (I assume...): he isn't so much "indie" (which, to be honest, I think has lost a lot of meaning with the advent of the internet, and few people really understood what it meant in the first place). He's niche. He's adapting video game and other "geek pop culture" music for video gamers who like music. To reach a wider audience, he'd have to adapt his style; which would then piss off people like you (though not necessarily you in particular) who liked his "old stuff" better. So, share him with people you think might like it, and just continue to enjoy it yourself.
However, if you are looking for more like him, there's http://ocremix.org/. That might not be quite your style, and I'm sure there are other sources, but I remember that site from the Extra Credits... credits.
the mainstream is a cruel beast to artists who can't sell a "product" and TBH i think gavin is better off without that kind of monkey on his back.
most of the stuff i listen to now has been done by smaller groups and artists who i enjoy greatly, a list that includes miracle of sound.
most of the stuff i listen to now has been done by smaller groups and artists who i enjoy greatly, a list that includes miracle of sound.
So it's all rigged I should have expected that but I never paid enough attention to the radio hell I just always plugged my ipod in and listened to music that didn't make me want to tear whoever made the ear splitting music I was listening to's teeth out.Ken Sapp said:
Did the op edit that last bit in about not pirating or are people just reading the first part and immediately commenting on piracy?
If charts are rigged and completely controlled by record companies, how come Thousand Foot Krutch charted at 14 on the USA billboard records with their newest album which was released without the aid of a record company? That album was funded entirely through Kickstarter and it earned them their highest chart position so far.Ken Sapp said:
There is nothing wrong with liking an artist so much that you want the entire world to know whom they are. I personally feel that way about a number of punk groups. However, the world at large (at least as far as I have seen) is generally less receptive to new music than you might think.SpectacularWebHead said:
[I think my friends listen to crappy music. They probably think the same of me.]
The big issue with becoming a popular artist is the mass marketing required to spread this New Gospel. Historically, good small-time bands seldom had the resources to make themselves heard beyond their locality. The pioneers in this area saved up a ton of money and published on their own record labels. Recording is much easier now with modern accessibility to recording/mixing/CD burning on a PC, but the promotional angle is still a tough nut to crack. That's why becoming popular (usually) still involves hooking up with a big firm that knows how to do the mass marketing, and likes the artist enough to devote the capital. That was always a tall order, for any artist - except for Michael Jackson.
I... Im still trying to figure out how you illegally downloaded his songs but you dont find that pirating. I menan you can argue the definition and semantics of it but wouldnt BUYING a song help him more than illegally downloading it?
Anyway, he's most likely in the independent category of music, its all bout fame, and he he needs a more mainstream promotion. Remember, every big band started as just another small guy who should get his break because "everyone else int he market is sounding the same."
and while its not realy any of my business, i do think its prety short sighted to say other artists are just making the same song 24 times and calling it an album and that if you dont listen to him you dont have a good enough taste in music. whiel I enjoy his songs, i have friends who dont, and I dont tell them they have poor taste.
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Anyway, he's most likely in the independent category of music, its all bout fame, and he he needs a more mainstream promotion. Remember, every big band started as just another small guy who should get his break because "everyone else int he market is sounding the same."
and while its not realy any of my business, i do think its prety short sighted to say other artists are just making the same song 24 times and calling it an album and that if you dont listen to him you dont have a good enough taste in music. whiel I enjoy his songs, i have friends who dont, and I dont tell them they have poor taste.
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Michael Jackson was with record labels pretty much literally since he got into the business and became mainstraeam. He was always promoted by someone else and was just one of the few child stars that actually stayed big after he got big and lost the cute aspect.KarlMonster said:
Official music charts often play songs based on what has been downloaded most frequently in the previous weeks. If those songs aren't on the charts it's because not enough people have downloaded them from a music store, not because they don't belong there.
For example, Chef from South Park's song of 'Chocolate Salty Balls' got to number 1 in the UK because so many people downloaded it (with encouragement from the radio host) and it was played on the radio.
So, if you want the Miracle of Sound etc to reach the charts they'll have to make their music available via, say, itunes, and then enough people will have to download them in, say, a week to get them into the charts.
For example, Chef from South Park's song of 'Chocolate Salty Balls' got to number 1 in the UK because so many people downloaded it (with encouragement from the radio host) and it was played on the radio.
So, if you want the Miracle of Sound etc to reach the charts they'll have to make their music available via, say, itunes, and then enough people will have to download them in, say, a week to get them into the charts.
Should?
Sure.
Will?
Hahaaaa. no.
Even if he was to become more widespread/mainstream, he still wouldn't have enough of a fanbase because his songs are too specialised a genre. The only chance someone writing songs about videogames has would be to be a one hit wonder in the novelty charts, obsessively listened to by gamers but by no one else.
Yes there is a degree of industry fixing going on in regards to new acts but if a new act was genuinely unliked they wouldn't sell, so clearly people like Simon Cowell et al do know what the public want (or are good at telling the public what they want.)
People complaining about cookie cutter music dominating the charts is like people complaining about why 50 Shades has become the most popular thing ever. If there wasn't a market for it, then the big companies would find something else and sell it to you. People like the homogenised Lady Gaga stuff, otherwise they wouldn't buy it. Simple as.
Sure.
Will?
Hahaaaa. no.
Even if he was to become more widespread/mainstream, he still wouldn't have enough of a fanbase because his songs are too specialised a genre. The only chance someone writing songs about videogames has would be to be a one hit wonder in the novelty charts, obsessively listened to by gamers but by no one else.
Yes there is a degree of industry fixing going on in regards to new acts but if a new act was genuinely unliked they wouldn't sell, so clearly people like Simon Cowell et al do know what the public want (or are good at telling the public what they want.)
People complaining about cookie cutter music dominating the charts is like people complaining about why 50 Shades has become the most popular thing ever. If there wasn't a market for it, then the big companies would find something else and sell it to you. People like the homogenised Lady Gaga stuff, otherwise they wouldn't buy it. Simple as.
Can I draw attention to the bit at the bottom of my OP, I was joking. It does in fact say that, so could you guys stop with the OMFG PIRATE messages please? thanks
Yeah, modern was a bit general. I meant like how you get all these pop stars and rappers getting in to the public eye in a huge way, and they're all untalented. Maybe they have like one good song but most of their stuff sucks. Then you get indy artsist who are most of the time better and no-one has heard of them. Which is lame.Vault101 said:
I'm gonna say it AGAIN, If you'd actually read the full OP, I was actually Joking. It does in fact say that. Why would I openly admit to piracy on a website where the artist I have pirated could see? HUMOUR. Please read the full post before you post moronic statements like this.Wolverine18 said: