Poll: Inclusion Vs. Exclusion

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DoPo

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thebakedpotato said:
Wait... Seriously, I have a warning for that post?

A friend of mine is on a heavy duty pain regimen due to her breast size. She's barely lucid at times because of it. And the insurance fucks her out of getting a reduction. Another friend had to get a breast reduction due to the back problems that they caused.
If you had included that paragraph before or even...anything, you wouldn't have been warned. As it stands, it was a low content post.
 

CloudAtlas

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RelexCryo said:
Lilani and EternallyBored have pretty much already said what I'd wanted to say as well, so I'm not going to repeat their arguments.
If you have big boobs and wear clothes and behave in a way that emphasizes them, it is distracting from anything else you might have to say. This is as true in real life as it is in games.

RelexCryo said:
The dragon's crown controversy is quite literally over people complaining about the big breasted sorceress design/big butt Amazon design.
1. The DC controversy is not only about that, but also about the rampant sexualization of these two characters in other ways, and of virtually every other female character in the game.
2. Big boobs are one thing. Extremely big, gravity-defying boobs, in an outfit that allows them to move so freely that the wearer of said boobs would be in excruciating pain all the time are another. So I wouldn't really rest my argument on the fact that women with big boobs exist in real life too... because women like the sorceress, they don't.
 

Phrozenflame500

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RelexCryo said:
snip(the whole thing about breast sizes)
I agree, people jump the gun while playing the sexism card.

RelexCryo said:
...Should bishounen be excluded because they are designed to appeal to heterosexual women, or should bishounen be included in the diversity of the artistic medium of video games?
If they aren't designed with the express purpose of appealing to heterosexual women, no.

RelexCryo said:
Should characters designed to appeal to homosexual men be excluded, or included?
As long as they aren't designed with the express purpose of appealing to homosexual men.

RelexCryo said:
Some people will respond with the childish argument that not every character or game should be sexualized. The flaw in that argument is that many games today mostly include characters who are not sexualized (Fallout 3/NV, Half Life, Rainbow Six, and countless others) and yet people still complain.
I disagree, by your argument up earlier while not every women character has to be flat chested, not every women has to have huge breasts either. You're right that people will still whine about it though. People just love to get *OUTRAGED* over things.

RelexCryo said:
Part of the problem with the whole debate is that while most feminists are intelligent, reasonable people, many of the loudest and most vocal journalists claiming to be feminists are bigots demanding exclusion, rather than reasonable people asking for inclusion. Do you agree? What are your thoughts on the issue?
I completely agree.

The fundamental issue with these debates is that demanding devs to stop putting breasts in games just doesn't work. The real way to go about this is to encourage women to get into the industry and make it less profitable for devs to put them in their games. But we can't do that, we need to get *OUTRAGED* over this *INJUSTICE*.
 

MeChaNiZ3D

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It's more the way large-breasted characters act and dress, making the fact they have large boobs the majority of their character. It doesn't annoy me in terms of female characters all being a certain way, it annoys me in terms of it then tends to be a fairly poorly-thought-out character.
 

A Weakgeek

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Geez. The escapists are so prudish. Just add titilation to females aswell, so we can all wank to videogames.

But then, once we do that, the asexuals will rise, and complain they can't get off. It's a lose lose situation.
 

sweetylnumb

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Yeah, some women DO have large boobs. But usually they are either a) fat or b) have spent lots of money on surgery or c) EXCEEDINGLY LUCKY. So its incredibly annoying for all us normal breasted females to have genetic miracles woobling around making us feel bad. Not saying you should care about that, it's just a reason that this might offend people.
 

Tanis

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People play the 'sexism card' as fast as they play the 'race card' anymore.

Ain't saying sexing and racism don't exist, only the idiots at Fox 'News' think that, but there is many a time when it's blown WAY out of proportion or used by the 'pity me party' to make their base feel more important and persecuted than they really are.
 

VodkaKnight

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People will play every card they have at the SLIGHTEST damn thing.
Whether it be racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, etc.
I'm sick of it.
I don't mind if someone has large breasts in a game, as long as either the game depicts the size as varied between characters, or it's a parody.
 

Generic4me

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The problem isn't that big-breasted women exist in videogames, it's that they are a disproportionately large group compared to average-breasted women. And they often dress like whores for cheap sex appeal that doesn't really mean anything.


If it's parody, fine. If it's logical (for whatever reason), fine. If it's a plot point (Probably not, but I've seen weirder), fine. If your game is about sexual stimulation, fine. But making women look sexual for the simple sake of having sexual women? Or (what I assume the feminists consider) worse, don't even do it consciously? That's bad.