Poll: Indefinite survival during a zombie apocalypse: Logical?
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As long as it doesn't effect animals or insects its pretty much just a big setbackSilver said:
.If it did either of those things then I do actually think humans would be effed...HARD
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Well, the circumstances would be a critical part of it. Location, equipment, training, vicinity of other survivors etc.
But say you hole yourself up in a 40 foot tall canned foods store house with all the equipment you would need, it would be possible.
Perhaps the bugs/crows would eat away the zombies, perhaps they would go cannibalistic, or simply just starve. If not, Global Warming will come and save us! We all know Zombies can't swim, then you only need an inflatable boat, or an overturned garbage can!
But say you hole yourself up in a 40 foot tall canned foods store house with all the equipment you would need, it would be possible.
Perhaps the bugs/crows would eat away the zombies, perhaps they would go cannibalistic, or simply just starve. If not, Global Warming will come and save us! We all know Zombies can't swim, then you only need an inflatable boat, or an overturned garbage can!
If immunity is based off a random mutation, which it will be, since all attributes are based off random mutation, then that mutation will be hereditary. There is (almost)no chance (like, 0.000...0001%) that 60 million people throughout the world will happen to have the same, non-hereditary mutation (that is, the mutation originated with them, and was not present in their parents). Also, if it's a virus, it's a virus, no matter how unlikely, and it has to share some common properties with other viruses. Unless it's an alien virus. Otherwise, it had to be developed in some way from viruses that already exist.Ravenbom said:
50 million ppl should be able to outsmart zombies...u didnt really give us any criteria on the zombies' conditions. Im just assuming that they'd quickly revert to their human instincts and be driven into cannibalism and the sort. So basically, beasts. I think that 1% of the earth should be able to come up with a solution to survive before theyre completely destroyed. They just need a big enough space for 50 mil ppl to live(prolly an island or something) and start growing new crops etc etc and keep the zombies out with walls, barriers, watchmen etc etc and reproduce and survive on their own. Seems probable in my eyes.
I once heard "there are always surviors" but this made me wonder, can those surviors,well, survive?
This is an interesting question, but there are many variables. So in essences, humans will find a way, I believe. We'll probably have to go through hell and back to do it, but we will. Granted, our numbers will be shattered, but it will bring people, as a whole, together and make us see thats there is good in all of us. Or it will make us the that we are all evil bastards and we'll kill each other after its all said and done. Ethier way, not a very pleasent ride, wouldn't you argee?
This is an interesting question, but there are many variables. So in essences, humans will find a way, I believe. We'll probably have to go through hell and back to do it, but we will. Granted, our numbers will be shattered, but it will bring people, as a whole, together and make us see thats there is good in all of us. Or it will make us the that we are all evil bastards and we'll kill each other after its all said and done. Ethier way, not a very pleasent ride, wouldn't you argee?
If they are classic stupid zombies I think it's possible. They aren't going to try anything difficult, like flying planes or something, so I don't see why a remote island wouldn't work.
personally i think that the UK is the best place for survival as it is an island and a wall around it would protect us. we have farm lands and also the means to procure weapons and ammo easily as there are barracks everywhere.
Britain FTW!!!!!
Britain FTW!!!!!
Well if you can survive long enough to make to the compound/house your in, most likely I'll have a pick up point for survivors safely out of town, far enough from my compound to avoid raiders finding it.ygetoff said:
Again make it to my radio-broadcasted point and I'll do the rest.RufusMcLaser said:
I figure the compound/house serves an excellent defense for any apocalypse, zombies, raptors etc.
Wouldn't they run out of food and ammunition. I mean in a zombie apocalypse, a small group can't stop and start growing crops or manufacturing ammunition. And the chances that a large group gets to band together are unreasonably low, seeing that 1% of the world's populace will somehow have to organize a meeting and survive the trip to the meeting grounds. Even if they did band together, the time spent building fortifications would leave them vulnerable to attack.
So I say its impossible.
So I say its impossible.
A zombie invasion would only kill the idiots pretty much or very unlucky. In fact many of the people who could only be infected by direct contact would probably survive as well fairly easily. If the virus could spread through the air and 99.9% of the population instantly became zombies, that might be a bit different but still 1 out of every 1000 people would be completely immune. Even factoring in a large % of them getting killed in the initial attacks that would be more then enough people to band together and carry on our race.
Humans can use technology, vehicles, and make plans, gang together etc while zombies are just brainless creatures that are hungry for brains. Even animals are smarter then zombies and faster (as well as being more of a threat.
One way to look at it is the human race once had to contend with a very wild planet full of aggressive animals that were stronger, faster and just as hungry as zombies. The animals lost due to humans being able to use tools and band together and make fortifications/plans.
A world full of zombies is not nearly as dangerous as a world full of tigers, wolves, bears etc with no advanced weapons to fight them with.
If zombies really were as slow as they are usually in the movies and unable to move even at the speed of a normal human walking, you almost have to ASK the zombies to please eat your brains in order to be cornered and killed.
Humans can use technology, vehicles, and make plans, gang together etc while zombies are just brainless creatures that are hungry for brains. Even animals are smarter then zombies and faster (as well as being more of a threat.
One way to look at it is the human race once had to contend with a very wild planet full of aggressive animals that were stronger, faster and just as hungry as zombies. The animals lost due to humans being able to use tools and band together and make fortifications/plans.
A world full of zombies is not nearly as dangerous as a world full of tigers, wolves, bears etc with no advanced weapons to fight them with.
If zombies really were as slow as they are usually in the movies and unable to move even at the speed of a normal human walking, you almost have to ASK the zombies to please eat your brains in order to be cornered and killed.
Zombies do not have some magical super long range radar that lets them know living humans are 2 1/2 miles west of them. Initially it would be best to keep on the move while searching for additional humans and gathering guns, ammo, food and gas.
With all the canned food in stores though collecting food shouldn't be a large problem for such a small percentage of the population during the initial stages.
Once you have at least a fairly decent sized group of survivors (say 20+) you could start going on the offense. Find a nice sized town, not to large and start exterminating the zombies within the town till there are none left alive. 20 people with plenty of ammunition could totally obliterate all zombies within a small town within a day easily. Then you patrol away from the town searching out zombies (makign noise so they can hear you and come towards your yummy brains...not like it will be hard to find em) and blow them away. Keep expanding the perimiter killing zombies as you go, clearing out additional towns and grabbing additional food and ammo while eventually finding other groups of survivors who havee done similar things.
As you band together and increase the zombie-free areas, you can start having safe zones that are completely zombie free. Build a high wall around your initial town for instance with only one enterance point allowing for easy guarding of sleeping humans.
I would go so far as to say it could be possible for just 1 man and 1 woman to eventually repopulate the earth in the event of a zombie invasion. As long as they were able to find each other of course.
With only 2 humans left it becomes a much more difficult task but many of the same strategies would be used. First find a small town fairly far away from heavily populated areas, but not so far that you can not take trips to larger cities and towns regularly.
First clear out the town even if you have to spend multiple days working on it (taking turns driving away at night while the other sleeps in the car). Once you have cleared the town out find a very secure place that is easily guarded and use it as your supply dump. Then start making foraging missions to the larger towns and eventually cities. Stocking up on ammo, gas and especially food. Food is even more important especially at first, so collecting years worth of non-perishable food, vitamins and medical supplies along with medical books and other important object would be your primary goal for the first year or so.
Eventually you will have secured your initial town and the other larger towns surrounding it (not the large cities though) which will keep zombies other then the rare occasional wandering one from finding you easily. At that point it's time to start getting busy with baby making since you need to repopulate the planet. If each generation increased by a factor of 10 then you could build up a fairly large sized community within a few generations, enough to start taking on the larger cities at least.
As long as immunity to the zombie infection was hereditary the human race could continue, although bad luck or random chance would be a large factor. It would be vital that the two survivors were extremely careful in everything they did, never confronted zombies at close range and usually not withing a car or some other form of protection between them and the zombies. The early days would be the most dangerous, but with the slow speed of the zombies, the ability to use cars and the large areas even within the US that have no people in them at all (or possibly see a car or two every few days), finding a defendable area that you can expand from and then slowly fighting the zombies at your own pace would not be that hard.
The hardest part would probably be waiting for a year or two to start getting jiggy with it, especially if the female survivor was hot!!
With all the canned food in stores though collecting food shouldn't be a large problem for such a small percentage of the population during the initial stages.
Once you have at least a fairly decent sized group of survivors (say 20+) you could start going on the offense. Find a nice sized town, not to large and start exterminating the zombies within the town till there are none left alive. 20 people with plenty of ammunition could totally obliterate all zombies within a small town within a day easily. Then you patrol away from the town searching out zombies (makign noise so they can hear you and come towards your yummy brains...not like it will be hard to find em) and blow them away. Keep expanding the perimiter killing zombies as you go, clearing out additional towns and grabbing additional food and ammo while eventually finding other groups of survivors who havee done similar things.
As you band together and increase the zombie-free areas, you can start having safe zones that are completely zombie free. Build a high wall around your initial town for instance with only one enterance point allowing for easy guarding of sleeping humans.
I would go so far as to say it could be possible for just 1 man and 1 woman to eventually repopulate the earth in the event of a zombie invasion. As long as they were able to find each other of course.
With only 2 humans left it becomes a much more difficult task but many of the same strategies would be used. First find a small town fairly far away from heavily populated areas, but not so far that you can not take trips to larger cities and towns regularly.
First clear out the town even if you have to spend multiple days working on it (taking turns driving away at night while the other sleeps in the car). Once you have cleared the town out find a very secure place that is easily guarded and use it as your supply dump. Then start making foraging missions to the larger towns and eventually cities. Stocking up on ammo, gas and especially food. Food is even more important especially at first, so collecting years worth of non-perishable food, vitamins and medical supplies along with medical books and other important object would be your primary goal for the first year or so.
Eventually you will have secured your initial town and the other larger towns surrounding it (not the large cities though) which will keep zombies other then the rare occasional wandering one from finding you easily. At that point it's time to start getting busy with baby making since you need to repopulate the planet. If each generation increased by a factor of 10 then you could build up a fairly large sized community within a few generations, enough to start taking on the larger cities at least.
As long as immunity to the zombie infection was hereditary the human race could continue, although bad luck or random chance would be a large factor. It would be vital that the two survivors were extremely careful in everything they did, never confronted zombies at close range and usually not withing a car or some other form of protection between them and the zombies. The early days would be the most dangerous, but with the slow speed of the zombies, the ability to use cars and the large areas even within the US that have no people in them at all (or possibly see a car or two every few days), finding a defendable area that you can expand from and then slowly fighting the zombies at your own pace would not be that hard.
The hardest part would probably be waiting for a year or two to start getting jiggy with it, especially if the female survivor was hot!!
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Preparation is the key. the more prepared you are the higher you chances are to survive. that's how it works. Let's turn this into a formula to make it a bit easier to show. W represents a the the number of the statistic or whatever, X is the probability of survival. Y is how prepared you are, and Z is the chance of death or some other horrible consequence.
WX increase as WY does, and results in the decrease of WZ.
someones been playing fallout 3. I would say too much, but there is never too much gaming!SamFisher202 said:
Preparation is the key. the more prepared you are the higher you chances are to survive. that's how it works. Let's turn this into a formula to make it a bit easier to show. W represents a the the number of the statistic or whatever, X is the probability of survival. Y is how prepared you are, and Z is the chance of death or some other horrible consequence.
WX increase as WY does, and results in the decrease of WZ.
I could. I have enough ammo to wipe out the entire population of New Jersey and then some if i make my shots count. If i somehow run out of ammo then my machete will keep the zombies dying(again). Then i'll die of starvation or by blowing myself up.
How can you run out of ammo? Find a gun shop and you have nearly unlimited ammo....so basically if you have enough ammo to get you to the nearest gun shop and to clear it out (enough for you to resupply at least), you are set.
Main problem for a solo human is sleep. You could go for maybe 2-3 days with no sleep if you had to, but the question would be can you waste enough zombies in a large enough area in that time to prevent them from finding you and eating you while you sleep?
The answer though is pretty simple if you think about it. How many places can a normal human go that a zombie would have absolutly no chance of getting to? All you really need to do anyway is blast the heck out of all zombies in the local area so you can hide somewhere when no zombies can see you. Then rest and when you wake up blast any new zombies that have wandered into the area. They would not even know there was anyone alive around so are not very likely to stay in large numbers.
Real zombies though (heh) would probably not have nearly the limitations that fictional zombies usually have. The brain of the zombie is still used since blowing it away kills the zombie, which means the creature still could have access to memory and logic and therefore be able to use tools. In addition if the zombie is unable to feel pain he could use his muscles and body up quickly for very fast bursts of speed and strength. Therefore, instead of the zombies being slower then humans they would probably be faster. They also would probably be very quiet (especially if they do not need to breathe at all....no sound if they are not breathing btw).
The biggest question would be which organs still work in a zombie if any? Does a zombie exist just by continued electrical impulses traveling from the brain to the apendeges? That would mean blood no longer had to flow...which makes sense since zombies keep getting up if they are shot/have limbs removed etc.
As mentioned before though zombies would have a VERY short shelf life. THey would be most effective or dangerous right after being infected and then wear and tear on the body would quickly slow the zombie down.
That leads to an interesting idea though. Zombies may not need brains exactly, but living flesh. By eating living flesh (of the same dna type) the zombie might be able to regenerate lost tissue itself, even including lost limbs. This would explain why zombies would not eat each other since the tissue of other zombies would not let them regenerate.
That leads to a drastic reduction in the number of zombies total eventually though since the zombies will start comsuming the entire body of live people they find very quickly. Initially a zombie may just take a bite or two and move on when food is plentifull, but eventually they will chow down on everything that is left so no new zombies will be created by the people they bite.
The most dangerous zombies though would have faster reflexes then humans, be stronger then them, feel absolutely no pain and only be killable by decapitation pretty much. Those zombies could regenerate their own damaged or worn out bodies by eating living humans as well so they would stay strong as long as they could get a steady supply of fresh humans.
If the zombies also kept some form of sentient thought and could use weapons and tools they might even farm humans so they could a steady supply to feed on. There might even become a zombie society with the smartest and strongest zombies ruling over the weaker zombies who do not get a steady supply of human flesh but are used to coral the humans and breed them for food.
Now that would be a zombie appocalypse.
Main problem for a solo human is sleep. You could go for maybe 2-3 days with no sleep if you had to, but the question would be can you waste enough zombies in a large enough area in that time to prevent them from finding you and eating you while you sleep?
The answer though is pretty simple if you think about it. How many places can a normal human go that a zombie would have absolutly no chance of getting to? All you really need to do anyway is blast the heck out of all zombies in the local area so you can hide somewhere when no zombies can see you. Then rest and when you wake up blast any new zombies that have wandered into the area. They would not even know there was anyone alive around so are not very likely to stay in large numbers.
Real zombies though (heh) would probably not have nearly the limitations that fictional zombies usually have. The brain of the zombie is still used since blowing it away kills the zombie, which means the creature still could have access to memory and logic and therefore be able to use tools. In addition if the zombie is unable to feel pain he could use his muscles and body up quickly for very fast bursts of speed and strength. Therefore, instead of the zombies being slower then humans they would probably be faster. They also would probably be very quiet (especially if they do not need to breathe at all....no sound if they are not breathing btw).
The biggest question would be which organs still work in a zombie if any? Does a zombie exist just by continued electrical impulses traveling from the brain to the apendeges? That would mean blood no longer had to flow...which makes sense since zombies keep getting up if they are shot/have limbs removed etc.
As mentioned before though zombies would have a VERY short shelf life. THey would be most effective or dangerous right after being infected and then wear and tear on the body would quickly slow the zombie down.
That leads to an interesting idea though. Zombies may not need brains exactly, but living flesh. By eating living flesh (of the same dna type) the zombie might be able to regenerate lost tissue itself, even including lost limbs. This would explain why zombies would not eat each other since the tissue of other zombies would not let them regenerate.
That leads to a drastic reduction in the number of zombies total eventually though since the zombies will start comsuming the entire body of live people they find very quickly. Initially a zombie may just take a bite or two and move on when food is plentifull, but eventually they will chow down on everything that is left so no new zombies will be created by the people they bite.
The most dangerous zombies though would have faster reflexes then humans, be stronger then them, feel absolutely no pain and only be killable by decapitation pretty much. Those zombies could regenerate their own damaged or worn out bodies by eating living humans as well so they would stay strong as long as they could get a steady supply of fresh humans.
If the zombies also kept some form of sentient thought and could use weapons and tools they might even farm humans so they could a steady supply to feed on. There might even become a zombie society with the smartest and strongest zombies ruling over the weaker zombies who do not get a steady supply of human flesh but are used to coral the humans and breed them for food.
Now that would be a zombie appocalypse.