I used to eat chicken nuggets 20 at a time a donkeys year ago, I think I was like 7-8-9 ish? From Macdonalds? Ok I was fat back then but not dead :S Sorry I read the bright red bit >.'.<
Poll: "Ingredients in a Chicken McNugget" or "You Want me to Eat What Now?"
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All this convenience is due to the population we have. Supply and demand you see. And the thing is, the so called "organic" way of obtaining food, be it the ingredients or the chemicals, become very unfeasible for manufacturer, consumer and in a way the environment. Lets take for example vanilla ice cream. Many people like vanilla ice cream right? The flavour comes from Vanilla bean pods, mostly due to Vanillin. If we all went and harvested vanilla plants to flavour our ice cream, there would be less and less of them around, therefore it would become more and more expensive and not many people would buy it. Which is not ideal. Thats why they synthesised vanillin, but it is nature derived.
Technology allows food to be available to the masses. Back in the days, chicken and pork were considered luxury items, only to be consumed during festivities. But because of tech advances over the years it has become a convenient foodsource. Look at milk too, fresh unpasteurized milk has a life span of about 1 week unexposed(sealed in container) and refrigerated. In comparison High temp Short time pasteurization increases it to 2-3 weeks while Ultra high pasteurization is stable for up to 3 months. It is convenient for the consumer and middle man to hold milk. AND pasteurization is in a way healthy too.
The food industry might not seem ideal as a method of obtaining our daily needs. But think about it, not everyone are able to go out and milk their own cows, hunt their own food, grind their own corn etc. The convenient thing to do is to purchase them, to the price that they can afford.
But then again, i AM a foodscientist, i can be somewhat biased =P
All this convenience is due to the population we have. Supply and demand you see. And the thing is, the so called "organic" way of obtaining food, be it the ingredients or the chemicals, become very unfeasible for manufacturer, consumer and in a way the environment. Lets take for example vanilla ice cream. Many people like vanilla ice cream right? The flavour comes from Vanilla bean pods, mostly due to Vanillin. If we all went and harvested vanilla plants to flavour our ice cream, there would be less and less of them around, therefore it would become more and more expensive and not many people would buy it. Which is not ideal. Thats why they synthesised vanillin, but it is nature derived.
Technology allows food to be available to the masses. Back in the days, chicken and pork were considered luxury items, only to be consumed during festivities. But because of tech advances over the years it has become a convenient foodsource. Look at milk too, fresh unpasteurized milk has a life span of about 1 week unexposed(sealed in container) and refrigerated. In comparison High temp Short time pasteurization increases it to 2-3 weeks while Ultra high pasteurization is stable for up to 3 months. It is convenient for the consumer and middle man to hold milk. AND pasteurization is in a way healthy too.
The food industry might not seem ideal as a method of obtaining our daily needs. But think about it, not everyone are able to go out and milk their own cows, hunt their own food, grind their own corn etc. The convenient thing to do is to purchase them, to the price that they can afford.
But then again, i AM a foodscientist, i can be somewhat biased =P
Everybody seems really polarized about this, damned if I know why.
First, McDonalds, or any other fast food franchise, is not the devil, at least no more than any other large group of people brought together by the motivation of profit. They adhere government standards and all that, making a low quality consumable product for a low price, filling a niche in a market. Sure I prefer to cook my own food, but sometimes I'm in a rush, have a dollar, and just want a bit of protein quickly.
Second, fast food IS bad for you. Yeah yeah, it's not the worst thing you can do to yourself, but that's a lazy excuse. Like any food that isn't outright poisonous, it isn't likely to even effect you if eaten occasionally, let alone kill you. The problem is that many people eat this garbage every day, and then it does kill them. It's idiotic to blame either the producers or the consumers, it's both of their faults. It's a social problem caused by the society to which both parties belong. Personal and social responsibility are equally important.
First, McDonalds, or any other fast food franchise, is not the devil, at least no more than any other large group of people brought together by the motivation of profit. They adhere government standards and all that, making a low quality consumable product for a low price, filling a niche in a market. Sure I prefer to cook my own food, but sometimes I'm in a rush, have a dollar, and just want a bit of protein quickly.
Second, fast food IS bad for you. Yeah yeah, it's not the worst thing you can do to yourself, but that's a lazy excuse. Like any food that isn't outright poisonous, it isn't likely to even effect you if eaten occasionally, let alone kill you. The problem is that many people eat this garbage every day, and then it does kill them. It's idiotic to blame either the producers or the consumers, it's both of their faults. It's a social problem caused by the society to which both parties belong. Personal and social responsibility are equally important.
I have to wince every time I eat Chicken (or fast food burgers) after reading that book Fast Food America.
Realistically though we (people / Americans) don't want to know how the food we're eating got where it is. Even if the cow were taken out of the wild and killed via anesthetic and lethal injection people would be upset at the notion of death.
And on the harsh side of things, nearly all the food we eat is processed. It's more exciting to pick on stuff like processed chicken, but our vegetables are injected with chemicals to make them bigger and covered with weird pesticides. We don't have the means to supply people with actual fresh food anymore.
Realistically though we (people / Americans) don't want to know how the food we're eating got where it is. Even if the cow were taken out of the wild and killed via anesthetic and lethal injection people would be upset at the notion of death.
And on the harsh side of things, nearly all the food we eat is processed. It's more exciting to pick on stuff like processed chicken, but our vegetables are injected with chemicals to make them bigger and covered with weird pesticides. We don't have the means to supply people with actual fresh food anymore.
I think you've missed what I've been trying to tell you. I'd prefer not to have people suffer moderator wrath if it can be avoided. The intitial, single-line post that didn't address the thread topic was in violation of the guidelines. Single-line posts need to be avoided in general, though they can at least be excused in cases where the thread itself cannot be expected to generate any discussion at all (which is a seperate issue). In threads with ongoing discussion, they end up being lightning-rods.Pirate Kitty said:
The only reason I was trying to get more out of you regarding veganism is to properly flesh-out (pardon the term) your initial post and prevent any issues.
In terms of dangerous/unhealthy foods, nutmeg has killed more people than cannabis (namely one). Five grams causes hallucinations and ten grams consumed in one sitting has been known to kill (I think it induced a heart attack). I would look up the statistics but I am very drunk.
You'd be shocked what kind of stuff goes into "healthy foods", chemically...
As for the synthetics, if there's one thing that I've learned from chemistry it's that really scary chemicals with normally terrible uses aren't as bad as they seem.
As for the "form of butane", butane is nothing more than three carbons in a row, surrounded by hydrogen. There's a massive number of things based off of butane, and TBHQ is quite different. When chemicals can drastically change their properties based off the smallest things, you shouldn't worry about that association too much. Hell, there's a chemical (I think aspirin) where (effectively) rotating a single end of it will change it from a headache cure to a deadly poison. No composition change, just rotation.
I wouldn't panic over it.
As for the synthetics, if there's one thing that I've learned from chemistry it's that really scary chemicals with normally terrible uses aren't as bad as they seem.
For example, the TBHQ. The reason why it's dangerous in high doses lies in the fact that it's an extremely powerful antioxidant, which can lead to stomach tumors and DNA damage in high doses over a long period of time. However, you must remember that the amount required for such a thing is massive (0.02% doesn't seem like much, but in the chemical sense it is). It's unlikely that you'd consume that much to the point where the EFSA don't consider it carcinogenic.Kpt._Rob said:
As for the "form of butane", butane is nothing more than three carbons in a row, surrounded by hydrogen. There's a massive number of things based off of butane, and TBHQ is quite different. When chemicals can drastically change their properties based off the smallest things, you shouldn't worry about that association too much. Hell, there's a chemical (I think aspirin) where (effectively) rotating a single end of it will change it from a headache cure to a deadly poison. No composition change, just rotation.
I wouldn't panic over it.
I like the way that since I have a differing opinion I'm immediately a lying millionaire.Treblaine said:
And no, the hatred of McDonalds isn't overblown, the hatred exists because they sell poor quality meat. Just because burgers are made out of mince doesn't mean that you can stick all the odd bits of a cow in there and it'll taste just as good as the prime cuts. If you ever try eating a McDonalds burger plain, then you will still be hungry when you leave, even with chips and ice cream afterwards my stomach's half-empty. They delebiratly give the worst meat they can spare and sell off the rest, because they know they can dish out anything they want without anyone complaining. Hell, they used to sell coffee at temperatures hot enough to cause third degree burns through clothing, and it took 700 lawsuits to get them in any trouble. Al but one were quickly resolved with out-of-course settlements. Dollars for silence.
At the end of the day, McDonalds' meat isn't very good. You may like it, but as I said, that doesn't change it from being low grade meat being served to people who won't complain. I'm not telling you to stop liking it, I'm pointing out a fact: McDonalds meat is low quality.
You know all that REALLY BAD STUFF that you pointed out as ingredients?
They really have no effect on healthy people.
I know people who eat McDonalds every week and sometimes multiple times. They are healthy. Healthier than most people.
The reason people will eat this stuff is because
It's cheap
It's convenient
It tastes good
It has no bad effects unless abused for long periods of time
They are ignorant as to what they are consuming
Most schools these days teach you about this stuff. It is only a big deal if people make it one.
They really have no effect on healthy people.
I know people who eat McDonalds every week and sometimes multiple times. They are healthy. Healthier than most people.
The reason people will eat this stuff is because
It's cheap
It's convenient
It tastes good
It has no bad effects unless abused for long periods of time
They are ignorant as to what they are consuming
Most schools these days teach you about this stuff. It is only a big deal if people make it one.
This changes not one thing for me, I have never eaten McDonalds food and never will, it's overpriced, wouldn't fill a baby mouse and tastes foul. The milkshakes however are great.
*gasp* You should buy me a 8 chicken nuggets so I can...urm..."test" its reaction on the human body you know other than tasting good.
Look if you knew half the crap that was in all the food you eat you wouldn't eat anything that you never grew/made yourself.
Look if you knew half the crap that was in all the food you eat you wouldn't eat anything that you never grew/made yourself.
As long as there is no Mayo in them, I will not stop eating it.
Seriously, that shit is gross. Git eet Outa here.
Edit: Haha, truth be told, I really don't mind to much. You are already taking a huge risk eating processed foods like that. But, the shiftier they may be, the better they taste. A day may come when I give up Mcdonalds, but not this day. It will take me a while
Seriously, that shit is gross. Git eet Outa here.
Edit: Haha, truth be told, I really don't mind to much. You are already taking a huge risk eating processed foods like that. But, the shiftier they may be, the better they taste. A day may come when I give up Mcdonalds, but not this day. It will take me a while
Oh god, you are using such twisted and distorted (if not deceptive) logic it is infuriating.Deathsong17 said:
Why are you expecting "prime cuts". This is average, decent quality. There is no filler in there THERE JUST ISN'T! You're just making stuff up when you talk about McDonalds using "all the odd bits of a cow", the patties are whole 100% beef from the Forequarter and the flank:
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/food/beef/big-mac.mcdj
Stop being such a snob about food, as if only the finest most expensive meat shall ever grace your pallet.
Further snobbery is the attitude that meat quality is the deciding factor of the quality of a meal, but you can take the best cut of meat but if prepared poorly will be very unappetizing. Similarly, good cuts of average meat if prepared well to scientifically formulated technique can turn the sandwich above-average. I am a great believer in scientific process and the power of codified technique.
Gourmet high quality meat beef burger like Aberdeen Angus beef burgers, I'd expect something like that at a nice restaurant for dinner prepared by a Michelin class chef, not for a quick lunch. Get your priorities straight man, you're thinking in absolutes, extremes, the best or the worst, nothing in between.
Oh, I give up. There is no point reasoning with you, you're just being a prejudiced food snob, though you'd never like to admit it. You've decided you hate mcdonalds and will come up with any convoluted explanation and even the best counter argument you will just ignore and block out of your mind.
Just be frank with me. What is the ONE THING you hate about McDonalds, as a company, as an entity, the part of your perception that it occupies, what's the first negative word about them that pops into your head.
Just one word, what is it: