Poll: is a gun a good tool to have in a household?

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zirnitra

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Eugh, nothing pisses me off more than when people call a gun 'a tool' IT'S A FUCKING WEAPON! a knife also doubles up as a tool because it can be used to carve things etc etc.

we have about 4 shotguns and a few air rifles in the house my father uses the shotguns to hunt because he enjoys it. there for they are recreational toys as well as a weapon but not tools. it is 100% unnecessary to own a gun unless you intend to murder one of the following; a human, an animal or a target.
 

hippieshopper

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mike1921 post=18.75200.860198 said:
hippieshopper post=18.75200.859629 said:
I have to agree with Rebel...

If you are single or something, a gun is fine.
But if you have kids or grand-kids or something, I would say no...
Bullshit

Unless you're going to have your two year old fire your gun for you who does it hurt?
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Kids are curious. They is a chance that one of them would shoot themselves, you, or each other.
 

John Galt

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sneakypenguin post=18.75200.860099 said:
zhoomout post=18.75200.860079 said:
sneakypenguin post=18.75200.860033 said:
zhoomout post=18.75200.860001 said:
Actually you didn't answer the question of why you assume the crim has less training than you, you sidestep it by making yet another assumption. Do you frequently check up on the daily life of your gun toting robbers then?
I assume the criminal has less training than I due to the fact most don't go to the local gun range give their I.D. ,license and permit and practice the amount and spend the money it takes to be efficient with a firearm. I would consider that an decent assumption then to assume that I'm more efficient with a firearm than your average criminal :)
Nicely argued, well done (and I really mean that, I'm not being all sarcy, god how I hate it when people, including me, do that).
Thank you good sir.
Jesus Christ, an Internet Argument that didn't end in ad hominems and flame wars. How the hell'd this get in here?

Anyways, I think guns are a great thing to have with proper training. I've currently got my hands on a nifty .22 carbine that I practice with down at a local range and I love it. It's the perfect civilian gun in my opinion. It's short enough and intimidating enough to be used as a home-defense weapon, it's light size and small caliber make it impractical for mass shootings, and it's decent enough for hunting small game in the case of a food shortage or the like. With proper training, education, and tracking, this could represent the compromise both parties are looking for in the gun control issue.
 

The Sorrow

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If you make guns illegal, then the only people who will have them are criminals.
You really should have a gun in your house to protect yourself and your family.
 

Calobi

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fix-the-spade post=18.75200.860656 said:
Indigo_Dingo post=18.75200.860156 said:
fix-the-spade post=18.75200.859635 said:
All a gun can do is destroy things.
So can an axe, but its still a tool.
I made an Ice Sculpture with an axe once, I doubt a shotgun would have been as useful...
It would have been amazing to watch, though.
 

mike1921

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hippieshopper post=18.75200.860801 said:
mike1921 post=18.75200.860198 said:
hippieshopper post=18.75200.859629 said:
I have to agree with Rebel...

If you are single or something, a gun is fine.
But if you have kids or grand-kids or something, I would say no...
Bullshit

Unless you're going to have your two year old fire your gun for you who does it hurt?
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Kids are curious. They is a chance that one of them would shoot themselves, you, or each other.
Than put it under lock and key.

Saying you shouldn't have a gun if you have a kid because they might find it is like saying you shouldn't have sex because they might walk in on you. It's not ****ing worth it (unless you use a condom in which case I'd imagine that you'd have a better time masturbating in the bathroom or sleeping.........or getting shot, but that's another story).
And saying there is a chance is idiotic if you don't explain how good or bad the chances are. There is a chance that we'll all die right now from a gigantic meteor, I still expect to survive till the end of the day.
 

Graustein

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I'm against guns, but that's because I was raised in a society where people don't walk around armed. If I did, I'd probably follow the zeitgeist and train myself in the use of a firearm for defensive purposes, because I'd be stupid not to.

That doesn't mean I like guns, because I don't. Even if I was required to carry a gun out of necessity, I wouldn't like them one bit.
 

Serious_Stalin

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I don't think people should have access to guns, its kind of tough in Americas case since they mostly already do. So banning guns doesn't achieve much. But I think more people would be dead if guns were kept in the house.I don't think you need a gun to keep your house secure, perhaps a big door and house insurance is security enough. Personally i'd have a cricket bat as well though...

Also, as a side, note when are you doing to need to protect your house with a gun? From a robber? If the robber has a gun or weapon then you are going to end up in a shoot off, in a family house that is unnacceptable in my opinion. You could get yourself killed. It would be much better to have the robber point his gun at you and you let him take all your shit if you have something to live for.
 

Aardvark Soup

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Having a gun in your household is totally ridiculous. Why would you want to own something that is specifically designed for killing people? Yes, it can be used for self defense in case someone breaks into a house. But if people could legally own firearms (like in the US), every burglar would take a weapon with him, which logically results in more people dieing. And I'm not even talking about the accidents that could happen if for example children would be playing with guns and the fact that if more people own guns, more homicides would be comitted.
 

almo

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ReepNeep said:
almo post=18.75200.859721 said:
The scene in reservoir dogs where someone shoots a civilian because they whip out a gun shows a really good reason you shouldn't think having a gun will protect you.
Because Hollywood movies are such a great portrayal of reality.

If you want to trust the most precious thing you have, your very life, to the whim of your assailant that's your own choice. I refuse to let your ilk force me to do the same.
You are really not thinking straight. If you think it's smart to scare an assailant into shooting you, that's your business. If you present no threat, they're less likely to shoot first. And if you accidentally shoot me because you think I'm a threat, then it IS my business. Do you think America made the world safer by amassing nuclear weapons? Or did it make it less safe by requiring everyone else to amass nuclear weapons?

Read the Butter Battle Book. Maybe it puts the problem into terms you can understand. Dr. Seuss was a genius.
 

raemiel

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The thing about a gun in this discussion (since most people are fairly civil in this thread) is that the OP was asking if a gun was a good tool to have in a household. The important word there is tool (someone else mentioned this earlier too).

If the household requires the gun as a tool then it is valid to say the gun is a good tool to have. This may be applicable in circumstances such as farms or somesuch where the gun is required as a tool. This would mean that when not used it would be suitable to keep the gun locked and secure away from anybody who wishes to reach it for the purpose other then for which it is kept for. The gun serves its purpose(s) in the household and that is all.

Questions concerning the gun for self-defence in the household are a different matter. Claiming the gun as a tool for other specific purposes and then attempting to justify it's ease of availability under circumstances of duress is not acceptible as that means you are intentionally keeping it for the additional purpose of a possible break-in. Under these circumstances the gun would easily serve to escalate the situation as assumptions concerning the intruder's armanment and ability would largely be invalid unless one assumes an intruder of high danger in weapons and ability. If one were to think any less of the intruder then the homeowner could make a gravely inadvisable decision.

Even with the expectation of a heavily armed and trained intruder what good would a gun do? If you got the jump on the person then you would be heavily injuring them (at the least) with minimal knowledge of their intents, identity or possible threat. This places you in a position of wrongdoing if you are attacking such a person. If you get to a face-off or similar situation is it worth it to threaten to use a gun or use it when there is the very real danger that someone will die or be injured, and if it is you then the rest of your family may be in increased risk. Is that worth it for your possessitions? Pulling out a gun places you in greater danger ethically, physcially, and in the eyes of the law.

Australia has had very strict gun controls since the Port Arthur Massacre; which resulted in more deaths then any other rampage of that style in the USA, UK or any other country of similar circumstances. This has resulted in responsible gun ownership among those who do legally own their guns, as they have to follow stringent regulations. As a consequence it is much more difficult for others to procure and own guns without a permit.

The last time I remember hearing of legally owned gun-related crime was concerning an armoured-truck guard who overstepped her responsibilities while on the job and as such was repremanded accordingly. I can only remember one circumstance of illegally-owned gun crime in the media since the restrictions were brought into place and that involved gang conflict, not intruders to homes.

Generally, an Australian person will be capable of describing to you the benefits of having an (almost totally, especially in urban areas) gun-free society. The presence of a gun may be helpful in certain circumstances, but this must be weighed against the innumerable circumstances where more ill may occur then good. Hence the gun is not a useful tool for a household.
 

Jamash

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I'd say no. A gun is a weapon not a tool & there aren't many practical DIY situations where a bullet would be more preferable to the right tool for the job.

It really all depends where you live though, I suppose if you live in a country where guns were legal & there was a high crime rate & you;re house had poor security then a gun might be a useful WEAPON to have to defend you property.

But, to address the answer properly to the person asking the question, if you're a stoner still at school & living in Devon then, NO! Fuck no! What are you high stupid or something?

In the immortal words of the visionary, Fish Food Carl.
fish food carl said:
No. It really is that simple. No. No. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[HEADING=2] NO! [/HEADING]

[sup] NOOO! [/sup]

No.

Chill out & don't listen to as much Drum & Bass, you know that that music subliminally makes people more aggressive don't you?

I apologise in advance if my generalisations offend you, I'm only basing them on your profile & I accept that you could be a totally different individual to what your profile portrays.
 

shadow_pirate22

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If you are properly trained, background checked, and are only going to use it in self-defense, then sure. If you have kids, I would advise against it, unless you keep it somewhere mega-safe and hidden.
 

FLSH_BNG

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A gun is a very useful tool, I have a shot-gun at home, just the sound of that getting loaded and primed for action is enough to scare the hell out of anybody breaking in.

As for hand guns, a CPL is a must so you can take it with you where ever you need to go.