Poll: Is Anything Possible?

[Shankity Stick]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Yes: absolutely anything and everything is possible. The problem though is probability. While it is possible for a Dodo bird to jump through my window and give me a golden egg filled with AO games and a Japanese Love Bride. The odds of such a thing happening are astronomical [I have a much better chance of getting a Japanese Love slave]

 

[Zacharine]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

Forget linguistics.

What of the concepts? where would the concept that we call two, combined with the concept we call addition, equal the concept we call five.

Concepts are not limited to language, because language is at it's root about communicating concepts. Concepts are not defined by language, it is the other way around.

 

[Shankity Stick]

And yet another impossibility:

It is impossible to prove that logic does not work.

Because how would you go about proving that, without using logic in the process?

MAGIC. Magic makes anything possible; I just haven't been using it as evidence yet. From now on, magic is my answer, because there is no possible way to disprove it.

How would magic disprove logic?

Because when you make the step "magic makes anything possible, therefore anything can happen" you have used logic.

Thereby proving logic.

Fine, you want me to make a real argument, Here's one for you. We simply perceive that logic works. Maybe it really doesn?t work on a planet that sees thing clearer then us. WHO KNOWS!

 

[crudus]

You are right. We can't see other dimensions...yet. For all we know there is a machine in development right now that allows us to see said dimension, allowing us to see our laws being broken. Also, your hypothetical about your girlfriend is bad because you CAN f**k her in Illinois, you would just be punished.

We can only make laws about what we observe. Our laws do not and cannot pertain to other universes because we can't observe them to make such a claim. Even when you use this magical machine to view other universes and we would see either "wow, their laws are the same as ours, high 5th dimension" or say "Well in our universe A gravity attracts but in universe 1 they repel....weird". This is why I was using that example. Because the laws do not pertain to each other thus you can't be prosecuted for it. Say I was stupid enough to live in Indiana and go to Illinois to do it. I can (and probably will) be extradited to Illinois for prosecution because I broke the law there, not in Indiana(even if the age of consent was 17 in Indiana).

 

[Zacharine]

Yes: absolutely anything and everything is possible.

Then let me challenge you to disprove logic or even imagine any possible concept or an object that disproves logic.

Because the only way you can even in theory disprove logic, is by using logic at some stage. Thereby creating a self-referential loop which is not proof of anything. Thereby failing to disprove logic.

 

[LightspeedJack]

The only that is impossible is to prove that anything else is impossible. (oohh mindfuck)

 

[Chrono212]

Woo! I made it 50-50

Anyway, within the laws of physics but 'spiritually' I would guess not

 

[crudus]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

Sure I can. 2.4+2.4=4.8 (truncate/round) 2+2=5

 

[Redingold]

Ooh, how about exceeding the speed of light within the confines of our own universe (so no parallel universes allowed for this, matey)?

Hell, if you specify context, then there's plenty of impossible things. For instance, driving at 140 miles per hour down a British motorway, at this moment in time, without breaking the law.

 

[Zacharine]

Thereby proving logic.

Fine, you want me to make a real argument, Here's one for you. We simply perceive that logic works. Maybe it really doesn?t work on a planet that sees thing clearer then us. WHO KNOWS!

Logic is seperate from perception, and from reality. It does not matter what planet it is, what language they speak, what physical laws, if any, they have. It is impossible to get rid of logical absolutes. Because if they make an inference between an observation and a conclusion, they have used logic.

They make any connection between a concept and a thought, they have used logic. THerefore, if they are capable of thinking, are thereby observing, they must use logic, even if they are not aware of it.

 

[Shankity Stick]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

Forget linguistics.

What of the concepts? where would the concept that we call two, combined with the concept we call addition, equal the concept we call five.

Concepts are not limited to language, because language is at it's root about communicating concepts. Concepts are not defined by language, it is the other way around.

First of all, what you just described is 2+=5. But enough nit picking. Maybe math is simply a nonexistent concept cooked up by some foolish species to impose order into their meaningless lives. Maybe math just exists in our minds because we choose to view the world in that way. I don't know, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

 

[Marsell]

Alot of human history is achieving the impossible.

 

[Eman645]

Yes 50% (31)
No 50% (31)

lol

 

[Zacharine]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

Forget linguistics.

What of the concepts? where would the concept that we call two, combined with the concept we call addition, equal the concept we call five.

Concepts are not limited to language, because language is at it's root about communicating concepts. Concepts are not defined by language, it is the other way around.

First of all, what you just described is 2+=5. But enough nit picking. Maybe math is simply a nonexistent concept cooked up by some foolish species to impose order into their meaningless lives. Maybe math just exists in our minds because we choose to view the world in that way. I don't know, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

Incorrect, because mathematics is formalized logic.

All mathematics has basis on linguistical premises called axioms, and these are either intuitively true, or logically provable concepts. Everything within mathematics that is not an axiom, can be constructed from those axioms by using logic.

 

[Shankity Stick]

You are right. We can't see other dimensions...yet. For all we know there is a machine in development right now that allows us to see said dimension, allowing us to see our laws being broken. Also, your hypothetical about your girlfriend is bad because you CAN f**k her in Illinois, you would just be punished.

We can only make laws about what we observe. Our laws do not and cannot pertain to other universes because we can't observe them to make such a claim. Even when you use this magical machine to view other universes and we would see either "wow, their laws are the same as ours, high 5th dimension" or say "Well in our universe A gravity attracts but in universe 1 they repel....weird". This is why I was using that example. Because the laws do not pertain to each other thus you can't be prosecuted for it. Say I was stupid enough to live in Indiana and go to Illinois to do it. I can (and probably will) be extradited to Illinois for prosecution because I broke the law there, not in Indiana(even if the age of consent was 17 in Indiana).

You just quoted me as saying something that you said. That, my friend, is cheating.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I heard a guy in Arkansas ate his own head...call me skeptical.

 

[crudus]

First of all, what you just described is 2+=5. But enough nit picking. Maybe math is simply a nonexistent concept cooked up by some foolish species to impose order into their meaningless lives. Maybe math just exists in our minds because we choose to view the world in that way. I don't know, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

No, math is very logic based. I may say it is even simpler than that(but I won't). Just going on the concepts by using language: if you have one of something and you get another you have two of that something. No matter how you look at it that will always be true.

Alot of human history is achieving the impossible.

Yeah, photoshop is great isn't it?

 

[Bloodstain]

36 for, 36 against. Wow.

Personally, I think anything is possible.

Since the universe is infinite, everything that has ever been thought must exist somewhere. Provided that the universe actually *is* infinite, which is yet to be proven.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Yes: absolutely anything and everything is possible.

Then let me challenge you to disprove logic or even imagine any possible concept or an object that disproves logic.

Because the only way you can even in theory disprove logic, is by using logic at some stage. Thereby creating a self-referential loop which is not proof of anything. Thereby failing to disprove logic.

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If I were a robot, I'd be dead by now...at the moment though, I just have a minor...sorry, moderate nose-bleed and slowly swelling headache. Anyway, in answer to the challenge of disproving logic; see my side note on probability.