Poll: Is Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2 The worst Final Fantasy games?

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RikuoAmero

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babinro said:
Final Fantasy 13 is actually among my favorites. I was actually surprised when it was so universally hated by gamers after the positive reviews.

Favorite FF games:
1) FF6
2) FF2 for SNES (I think it's FF4 but I get that one mixed up)
3) FF (NES)
4) FF 12
5) FF 13
6) FF 10
7) FF 7

From here I'm not crazy about the series.
I've played every release but FF 8 and FF 9.

I liked how FF13 focused on the story and the party characters. I LOVED how it minimized the senseless grind that the series is known for. Walking down straight hallways is fine by me when that's essentially how I played every other FF up to this point. I'd deviate from the path on occasion but I still played those games by it's intended route. The combat system in FF13 is the best the franchise had to offer and had me hooked. My gripes with the game was the crazy long tutorial (especially on multiple playthroughs) and the non-sensical 'meh' storylines that the franchise can't seem to shake off.

Final Fantasy 13-2 on the other hand is quite possibly the worst of the franchise.
It'll stand tall along side FF 10-2. I give 10-2 some slack because it didn't try to be serious.
I don't want to sound insulting, everyone can have their own opinion, but when I read your comment...I do have to ask: Are you insane?

13 DID NOT focus on the story. It is a provable fact. 13 accomplished the "Speaking a thousand words, but saying nothing at all". I played the game for several hours, I gave up when Afro Man (I can't remember his name and that should be telling in how "focused on the party characters" this game is...) was fighting his summon. I simply did not see any of the characters saying what any of their goals were, then following through with them. e.g. the kid wanting to get revenge on Trenchcoat for getting his mom killed, just man up and stab the fucker already! Don't waste my time whining about it! Trenchcoat deserves it, what with his bullshit on "Heroes don't need plans!" (Speaking of Trenchcoat and the mom, how does Trenchcoat walk away from a fall that kills the mom? No explanation at all...)
None of the characters display even the slightest bit of intelligence or common sense. Yeah, let's go to the kid's dad's house, that will be totally unexpected, no way that the ruling government would ever think to stake the place out! The fal'cie brand people and these people are doomed to follow a command that they are never told, never explained about, and whether or not they fulfill it, they're screwed (crystal if completed, zombie if not)...even when later the fal'cie are shown to have the ability to speak.

I do have to ask how a story that is not told, not explained, that forces you into doing homework has you hooked. How is such a thing possible? A story that gets you hooked is one that has engaging characters, whose backstory you know and can empathise with, so that you want to know what happens to them next. Harry Potter? I want to know if and how he finds the Horcruxes. Dark Tower? I want to know if and how Roland finds the tower. FF13? I so don't want to hear about how Female Cloud hates Trenchcoat for diddling her sister for multiple hours on end, or of the other characters going "WTF are we supposed to be doing?" for even longer.
(Speaking of Female Cloud, I facepalmed when I read that that was their goal when designing that character. As a professional, you don't take another character from a game that is successful and popular and then say "For the next game in the series, let's have this character but stick boobs on him". That is something you expect from lazy fanfic writers (not dissing fanfics, I love reading the gems that can be found amongst them) but not from professional character designers and storytellers with years of experience)
 

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They're pretty bad, but I've played worse FF games...like Legend 1.
 

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WeepingAngels said:
Anyone who says XIII is the worst Final Fantasy hasn't played Final Fantasy II.

Of course, if we are talking about PS1 and beyond then I still like XIII better than IX which was just too slow.
Agree totally I have played and finished all the main FF entries with the exception of the mmos and XIII-2 (havent had time yet) and II was by far the worse its just flat out broken. I would say IV was the first real decent FF game but yeah II I never want to see that piece of crap game again.

I also despise XII (except the awesome end game) but thats just personal opinion the mechanics in that game work fine I suppose.

Also totally agree on IX s terrible combat I just dont know what they did there its the worst combat in a FF game since III imo and marred the overall experience for me.

XIII just took to long to get going and most of it is on auto pilot but once it does finally open up the combat system is one of my favourites its just a shame the rest of the game has problems but its definitely not the worst.
 
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I've only played XIII, not XIII-2, but it's really not bad. People just got put off by the linearity, which didn't bother me in the slightest because the parts where you have to explore in FF games are INVARIABLY the worst parts of the game by far. So that was actually a plus for me. So yeah, pretty nice game, great graphics, interesting battle system, relatively engaging plot. I'd say there are much worse FFs out there.
 

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I'm not the biggest FF nerd out there by a long shot, but I've enjoyed the older games (admittedly years later on iOS), I adored VII (and yes I know for some reason it's no longer 'trendy' to worship at the Altar of FFVII for some reason but I don't care it was still a fantastic game with far more charm and character crammed into those little stocky flat shaded mute characters than ANY character in any FF game since)

FF VIII was enjoyabale but not as good imo, FF IX I I've never actually played but have heard it's praises sung by some and it loathed by others. FFX is another one that's a bit of a marmite game, some love it some hate it, I personally really enjoyed it, ok some of the characters were a bit annoying and the plot got a bit mental later on (but that's not exactly new to FF)

Never played XI (which was an MMO) or XII or X-2 for that matter.

FFXIII..... is not only the worst Final Fantasy, it's one of the worst GAMES (and I use the term 'game' very loosely...) I've ever played. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's actually the worst game ever made but it may in fact be the worst game I've ever actually BOUGHT (I can usually spot the really bad ones a mile off and steer clear but FF13 had the FF reputation behind it and the fact that traditionally the stories and characters in them are a bit quirky and tend to divide their audience such that reviews and recommendations are not necessarily a good yardstick for them so I gave it a go....)

Oh GOD it was bad. The cast is a mixture of characters some of which are just generic steryotypes and uninteresting in some cases and irritating to the point you want to strangle the voice actress (anyone who's played it knows who I'm talking about here....), the combat was dull and virtually autopilot and even if you turn that option off and choose all your attacks manually it's still boring, unexciting and time consuming button mashing that does nothing but pad the game out. The actual NON combat parts of the game are completely linear losing any sense of exploring an interesting and unique world. Hell the first 6 hours of the game feels like running along a linear corridoor stopping every 5 feet to fight for 10 minutes (by pressing 'attack' on a menu repeatedly)then when the game FINALLY opens up a bit it turns into a horrendous grindfest needed to progress the main story (and yes I know you've always needed to do a bit of griding in FF games but generally not much and it was interspersed with INTERESTING CONTENT that broke up the monotony and you generally only needed to do ALOT of grinding to do option objectives (such as the Weapon fights in FF7). You didnt need to grind for a good 4 or 5 hours just to get to the next bit of story once you finally got out of a 6 hours linear coridoor.....

Furthermore the plot isnt just wierd and wacky, that's normal for FF. It's also uninteresting, extremely slow and told with alot of prerendered flashback cutscenes. And the voice acting (and script for that matter) are terrible too.

Oh and lest I forget, the other thing FF games have general had is a superb original musical score. Again FF7 takes the cake for me but the others were all pretty great too. FF13 contiually rams that godawful Leona Lewis song down your ears at every oppurtunity. I guess it's supposed to be romantic and uplifting as they contiually use to try and show characters romantic backstories but the song is just the worst kind of pop drivel and the romance... well you know this actually might be the only example in the known universe that is in fact a WORSE love story than fecking Twilight ;)

I gave it a damn good try, I really did. I wanted to like it. I wanted to think that it would get better, that square surely couldn't have lost it this completely but in the end I gave up, screamed something along the lines of 'fornicate this pile of excrement' threw my controller down in dusgust, camply put the disc back in the box and marched down to my local game to trade it in for ANYTHING else...

Now... XIII-2 I've not actually tried and frankly Square Enix have ALOT of convincing to do for me to actually buy another FF game ever again after XIII let alone a direct sequel to it, however I DID try the demo version of XIII 2 (I'm a forgiving sort and if something's free I'll generally at least give it a chance....) and it DID seem to be a BIG improvement on XIII, it was alot less linear , combat whilst still not a patch on the older games ATB systems was actually at least SLIGHTLY engaging and a definitely step back in the right direction. The characters I encountered in the demo also acutally seemed slightly less murderous rage inducing (even the ones that were IN XIII seemed improved slightly). Was it enough for me to go out and buy it though?

Nope. It's a direct sequel to a game I despised and could never finnish. It's the next chapter in the story of a bunch of characters I detested. That's a bloody hard point to start a sale from, unless your game is AMAZING I'm not going to be convinced and whilst the demo was actually not bad it didn't blow me away and make me thinkg 'wow, all is forgiven I've got to play this!'

TLDR: FFXIII is a rancid platter of monkey vomit that is medically proven to be detrimental to your health. FFXIII-2 seemed actually OK from the demo but nowhere NEAR good enough to make up for the sheer awfulness of it's predecessor. Unless FFXIII-3 actually cures at least 3 forms of cancer and performs oral sex on command I would steer well clear. And honestly even if it DID I'd still not be entirely sure it was worth the risk.....
 

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Elfgore said:
Well I've only played FF13 so I can only give judgement on it and not how bad it is compared to the others. The gameplay is like Thebazilly said, it handles combat for you. You just have to switch formations and occasionally use a revive or heal potion. The story... Well I'm on chapter 7 and have no clue what the fuck is going on so that should answer the story. The characters all suck besides one guy. You have: A *****, A guy who thinks with his dick over his head, a random Aussie person, a whiner, some woman, and a funny black guy. Not the best cast of characters. Even with all of it's flaws the game isn't that bad if you get it for like 10 or so bucks, it's a decent deal.
I can tell you something, no spoiler really, that the story seems like a bunch of story ideas thrown in a bag together.. the big resolve will be at the very end. Until then the story really is just a mumbled bunch of wad. And is the story in the end worth it? In part you are happy you finally understand why you did it.. on the other hand that we're many hours stuck in long hallways for this? I think you should still play through it to the end but.. yeah it just it is just.. eh what is going on?

Now to my reaction

Worst game? Nah! Personally I have a stronger dislike of FF 8, oh BOOOh I know it is such a classic let me pull out my Excel Sheet in how to make the perfect GF/Draw .. oh yes that part of the game. How I loathe that GF/Drawing system, the GF system on itself is half decent it remembers me of Materia. But there it ends, oh kewl now I have 6 different stats that I can pump up. Oh cool I have to DRAW IT FROM MY ENEMIES WHEN NOT ATTACKING. Aaaah! Also it shares with FF XIII a small issue, story.. really its a love story? Its a love story? .. eh no I don't see it that way.

I am sure FF 8 is not the worst.. but to me it is one that really pushed me away quickly.
 

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ShinyCharizard said:
Nah I thought XII was the worst. It was a shitty singleplayer MMO with a terrible story and a completely out of place main character.
After the first couple of hours when you have a full party there isn't really one main character. Its becomes more about the entire team. You don't even need to play as Vaan. I spent most of the game controlling Balthier.

Its also the only Final Fantasy that's not a chore to play any more. Random battles are ten times as annoying nowadays.

I'd still rate 9 as my favourite overall. But I just can't be bothered to continue once I reach the world map. Its painful.
 

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RikuoAmero said:
babinro said:
Final Fantasy 13 is actually among my favorites. I was actually surprised when it was so universally hated by gamers after the positive reviews.

Favorite FF games:
1) FF6
2) FF2 for SNES (I think it's FF4 but I get that one mixed up)
3) FF (NES)
4) FF 12
5) FF 13
6) FF 10
7) FF 7

From here I'm not crazy about the series.
I've played every release but FF 8 and FF 9.

I liked how FF13 focused on the story and the party characters. I LOVED how it minimized the senseless grind that the series is known for. Walking down straight hallways is fine by me when that's essentially how I played every other FF up to this point. I'd deviate from the path on occasion but I still played those games by it's intended route. The combat system in FF13 is the best the franchise had to offer and had me hooked. My gripes with the game was the crazy long tutorial (especially on multiple playthroughs) and the non-sensical 'meh' storylines that the franchise can't seem to shake off.

Final Fantasy 13-2 on the other hand is quite possibly the worst of the franchise.
It'll stand tall along side FF 10-2. I give 10-2 some slack because it didn't try to be serious.
I don't want to sound insulting, everyone can have their own opinion, but when I read your comment...I do have to ask: Are you insane?

13 DID NOT focus on the story. It is a provable fact. 13 accomplished the "Speaking a thousand words, but saying nothing at all". I played the game for several hours, I gave up when Afro Man (I can't remember his name and that should be telling in how "focused on the party characters" this game is...) was fighting his summon. I simply did not see any of the characters saying what any of their goals were, then following through with them. e.g. the kid wanting to get revenge on Trenchcoat for getting his mom killed, just man up and stab the fucker already! Don't waste my time whining about it! Trenchcoat deserves it, what with his bullshit on "Heroes don't need plans!" (Speaking of Trenchcoat and the mom, how does Trenchcoat walk away from a fall that kills the mom? No explanation at all...)
None of the characters display even the slightest bit of intelligence or common sense. Yeah, let's go to the kid's dad's house, that will be totally unexpected, no way that the ruling government would ever think to stake the place out! The fal'cie brand people and these people are doomed to follow a command that they are never told, never explained about, and whether or not they fulfill it, they're screwed (crystal if completed, zombie if not)...even when later the fal'cie are shown to have the ability to speak.

I do have to ask how a story that is not told, not explained, that forces you into doing homework has you hooked. How is such a thing possible? A story that gets you hooked is one that has engaging characters, whose backstory you know and can empathise with, so that you want to know what happens to them next. Harry Potter? I want to know if and how he finds the Horcruxes. Dark Tower? I want to know if and how Roland finds the tower. FF13? I so don't want to hear about how Female Cloud hates Trenchcoat for diddling her sister for multiple hours on end, or of the other characters going "WTF are we supposed to be doing?" for even longer.
(Speaking of Female Cloud, I facepalmed when I read that that was their goal when designing that character. As a professional, you don't take another character from a game that is successful and popular and then say "For the next game in the series, let's have this character but stick boobs on him". That is something you expect from lazy fanfic writers (not dissing fanfics, I love reading the gems that can be found amongst them) but not from professional character designers and storytellers with years of experience)
I guess I am insane.
I enjoyed many of the characters in Final Fantasy 13. I wanted to find out what was going to happen between Snow and Hope in the revenge plot. The fact that Hope's mother fell a distance that kills her but not half the people in the world didn't bother me. It didn't even enter my mind until the second playthrough when I could have a good laugh about it.

If you really stop and think about any plot in a final fantasy game, they quickly break down. What's important is whether or not it's engaging enough to you in the moment to suspend your disbelief and enjoy it. FF13 did this for me and I fully accept to being in the minority. Clearly, popular opinion differs.

As I mentioned in the original post I don't consider ANY final fantasy game to have a great overall storyline. When I say 'good story' I mean characters that I'm invested in through sequences of the journey.
 

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That title goes to FFXII for me. I played about 20 minutes of it, the battle system just pissed me off and was unclear.

I haven't played XIII-2 but I fairly enjoyed XIII, even though it had a LOT of drawbacks.
They shouldn't have whored it out as much as they did because it didn't even seem popular outside of Japan, I'm sure they lost a lot of money on it.
 

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I cannot say anything about 13-2 as I did not play it but their was nothing I liked about 13 I guess I would say yes. That being said, story wise, at least they tried something new even if I did hate both the characters and the story as a whole, unlike 12 which was just Return of the Jedi.

But for me the last good FF was 10.

And 9 was the best.
 

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You see, the thing is that pretty much any FF game will be considered one of the worst by some and one of the best by others. That's what happens when each entry is so different from another one.

I liked 13, loved 13-2. To me the worst one was 12. Shitty combat, shitty story, shitty characters etc.

But... 12 could be the best FF game in someone else's opinion. And they wouldn't be wrong.

Nobody is wrong when it comes to things like these.

EeveeElectro said:
I haven't played XIII-2 but I fairly enjoyed XIII, even though it had a LOT of drawbacks.
Play 13-2 then. Fixes literally every complaint people had with 13 :)

And it has the most adorable thing ever in it:

 

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Um... no. Not really. I can think of worse, such as FF2, or 3, or 8. It's nowhere near the top, but it at least earns the right to exist. I think it suffered from the "Half Life 3" effect though, where too much time in development means that the anticipation has hit a point where no matter WHAT they put out, it's going to be a disappointment.
 

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Easily.

I actually really enjoyed the battle system in FFXIII quite a bit; maybe the most fun out of all the battle systems. Then again, I happened to have the self control to not spam auto-attack (then further have the gall/ignorance* to say that's all there is to the system). But the story was GOD-awful. GODS-awful, even. And coming from when Final Fantasy was strongest in story (and also in popularity), FF7, this is bad news, because I come to a new Final Fantasy with the expectation of good story and a fair amount of exploration (which felt lacking in XIII as well). Even going back to the older FF4-6, they still had charm throughout that FFXIII couldn't hold for more than maybe 20 minutes in my 80-hour playthrough (...I REALLY liked the battle system). Whatever it was, ShrekFan put it well; FFXIII just doesn't feel like final fantasy; so little open-ended exploration, unlikable characters, hell, the only Final Fantasy traditions I remember in game were chocobos to ride, and moogles. Not even the victory theme was present in some form. :<

*:Let not my insults blot out my empathy; it REALLY should have been presented better, that auto-attack is a quicken button (for when your head can't match the pace of the battle), but the battles can actually involve tactics when you just challenge yourself NOT to use auto-attack. Make a game within the game.
 

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Zeckt said:
I would have to say ff8 was one of the worst jrpg's ever. I hated the characters and ridiculous gameplay where the enemies level with you, and the draw system did not work as in it was simply not fun. Squall, I hate you.
/nods approvingly

OT: I've found FF13's story throughout the series rather enjoyable. The same for the battle schematic for bosses, and let's face it that's when anyone really gets to the nitty-gritty of any combat system. I have my criticisms, yet I've found it to be an enjoyable experience and look forward to the final installment.

I understand people's complaints about the game. Most of which I've heard are about the characters. Though on a funnier side, they have tended to be older gamers (such as myself) who hold SNES/Playstation Final Fantasy titles on a higher pedestal to all other JRPGs. Also, I've found they no longer tend to even play JRPGs with any sort of frequency within the past decade.

Bottom line: If cheap and you have enough interest, I'd recommend it.
 

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I actually really enjoyed it. Half of it might have just been a pretty corridor, but there was something nice about it.
 

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ShinyCharizard said:
Nah I thought XII was the worst. It was a shitty singleplayer MMO with a terrible story and a completely out of place main character.
I agree somewhat the Gambit fightning system was nice, but the Story was not good at all you dont even get additional information for the characters so you can relate to them.It's till today the only Final Fantasy from the main series i have not played through and i attemted it several times.I liked FF XIII the Story was good but somewhat a copy from FF VII brought tto a more futuristic enviroment, i dint like the battle system the first 20 hours but then it got more challenging and it was fun to play arround with different setups.

The last great Final Fantasy in my opinion was FF X, what also was the last Final Fantasy from Squaresoft.Since they are Squareenix and bought eidos they just went downhill with the quality of the series.If they ever happen to make a FF to the Quality of FF VII or FF IX i will eat a broom with ketchup and mustard.

The worst FF is defenetly Final Fantasy all the Bravest, its just shows perfectly how much Squareenix gives a shit about the series and its fans.
 

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RikuoAmero said:
The fal'cie brand people and these people are doomed to follow a command that they are never told, never explained about, and whether or not they fulfill it, they're screwed (crystal if completed, zombie if not)...even when later the fal'cie are shown to have the ability to speak.
The plot really was a huge mess. It's like there were people with plot-ideas who threw them all together without thinking how they worked together.

I get that whole 'not knowing what they are supposed to do'-thing. It could have been a story about how people have religious experiences and then interpret them differently. But what they think they should do makes no sense, and the villain's plan makes no sense.

Lightning's character could have had an arc of a soldier realising she has been misled all this time, waking up and forging her own path. As it is, it makes zero sense, because she gets her big realisation (that fal'cie are bad, I guess?) based on information she already knew, and changes her mind about revenge based on nothing. (Why not have Hope get hurt because of her, making her realise her obsession was hurting others?)

The game didn't have plot or character-development, it had random ideas about them and had them just happen.

I kinda figured how the focus and fal'cie worked well enough, but stuff lie character's relationships were not established.

For example, I thought Sazh was Lightning's friend and a fellow officer, because they first appear together, and Sazh seems to wear an uniform. It's not good story-telling that I only figure out they met few minutes before the beginning after we see the flashback.
 

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Well, props to everyone here for being more civil then the other places that have this discussions, those always turn out.....messy to put it very mildly.

More on topic 13(haven't played X-2 yet) has more then it's fair share of flaws, a lot which already have been mentioned by previous posts. That said I did end up having more fun with it then some of the other FF games, and at the very least it had a pretty good soundtrack. So no IMO it's not the worse FF out there, but man were there a LOT of times where it seemed like they were desperately trying to win that title.