He does has a point, specially in my situation, which where I live at least 12 people die bu gunfire, and in four years there has been killed 27 thousand people by gunfire. He does has a point.micky said:
Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point
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Wow, that is quite a license/permit you would need to get to own a rifle. Pretty sure you would need to be 18 too. He is right and wrong. He is right in saying guns are dangerous but he is wrong because anything is dangerous in the wrong hands. With the proper precautions you can own a flamethrower and make thermite (both legal, btw). It all goes down to who owns the dead to the house.
Ya see we have this ting in America called the right to bear arms. Some people don't like the idea that you are completely dependent on the government or the police for your protection, and should be able to defend yourself properly. Crazy right?Demented Teddy said:
At this point the idea of Darwin Awards comes in where you take a good long think about whether you really care about the well being of someone who removes a gun and ammo from two separate safes and loads the ammo into the gun and places them into an oven and turns the oven on...seems like a lot of work to be so stupid.Rainboq said:
I believe that you have a right to spend your money the way you want to. If you can be responsible, safe, and careful with a gun, then you should be allowed to have one.
At the same token, if your mother and her boyfriend won't let you, then you wait until you're 18. Then you buy one legally on your own.
At the same token, if your mother and her boyfriend won't let you, then you wait until you're 18. Then you buy one legally on your own.
Firstly, I have one question for you. Fudge Packer??? (great movie) Second, is there any way to live with your dad? Otherwise, could you just rent guns at the shooting range until you're not living with your mom. It may seem like a long time, but it's only a bit under two years or so.micky said:
I would say your step-dad is not being ignorant (possibly over-reacting), because even though gun safety goes a long way to prevent accidents, not having the gun completely eliminates that chance.
Although I don't agree with the American Second Amendment on principle, I'm going to disregard that belief for this topic. But of course it should be noted that my true reaction is that the Second Amendment is wrong. (This is not the point of the topic though, so no quoting me on it. I'm just stating this so people know where I'm coming from)
As a rule I believe that you should respect the rules of the house you live in. If you live in your own house, you set your own rules, but if you want to continue living in someone else's, whether it be family, friend, rented accomodation, then you must abide by the rules set in place by that house. Otherwise you should leave. If you can't leave (for reasons of age, monetary etcs) then you simply have to accept your place in life. You can't change things simply by beating your head against them, that's idiotic and no good is likely to come of it. Once you are independent you can do whatever you like, but even then if you were to break the law there would be consequences. House rules are simply a way of preparing you for life.
Point the second: Training aside, for target shooting or not, guns are not only dangerous, but they are tempting. If someone is robbing you, and you have a gun, there is a temptation to believe you are immortal, and that you can take the burgler because you have a gun. Then you are placed in a position of possibly being killed, or killing, another human being, and that is something which should never be taken lightly, whatever their offence. Having no gun, while it might mean you personally cannot defend yourself, removes the temptation to take the law into your own hands and enact a legal killing. (This point is of course dependent upon circumstance, but even so, it has to be addressed)
Finally, although your guardians don't agree with you, their opinion is still just as valid as yours. Having a reasoned debate with them is fine, but beliefs about gun control are often strongly held, and as said above in my house rules point, it seems to me that wanting to challenge the very nature of your relationship with them, over something as relatively inconsequential as a rifle, doesn't strike me as being a sensible and mature course of action. People get kicked out of their house for wanting to own a console or an instrument, so to bring a weapon into it just ups the ante. In the end what you are asking them to do, one way or the other, is accept that their teenage child wants to own and keep a lethal device with them around, and I honestly can't blame them for being antsy about this.
So in the end, they sound a little over-anxious (no good will come of it. At the very least nothing will change, but I do agree that I can't see anything necessarily good arising from this change in situation), in that if they seem to believe that you owning the weapon will mean you become the next Columbine killer, then they are overreacting.
HOWEVER
It is their house, it is their rules, and it is their beliefs against yours, and disrupting all that over a gun is not worth it. You may both be in the wrong, but for better or worse, you're the one who should in my opinion back down over this.
As a rule I believe that you should respect the rules of the house you live in. If you live in your own house, you set your own rules, but if you want to continue living in someone else's, whether it be family, friend, rented accomodation, then you must abide by the rules set in place by that house. Otherwise you should leave. If you can't leave (for reasons of age, monetary etcs) then you simply have to accept your place in life. You can't change things simply by beating your head against them, that's idiotic and no good is likely to come of it. Once you are independent you can do whatever you like, but even then if you were to break the law there would be consequences. House rules are simply a way of preparing you for life.
Point the second: Training aside, for target shooting or not, guns are not only dangerous, but they are tempting. If someone is robbing you, and you have a gun, there is a temptation to believe you are immortal, and that you can take the burgler because you have a gun. Then you are placed in a position of possibly being killed, or killing, another human being, and that is something which should never be taken lightly, whatever their offence. Having no gun, while it might mean you personally cannot defend yourself, removes the temptation to take the law into your own hands and enact a legal killing. (This point is of course dependent upon circumstance, but even so, it has to be addressed)
Finally, although your guardians don't agree with you, their opinion is still just as valid as yours. Having a reasoned debate with them is fine, but beliefs about gun control are often strongly held, and as said above in my house rules point, it seems to me that wanting to challenge the very nature of your relationship with them, over something as relatively inconsequential as a rifle, doesn't strike me as being a sensible and mature course of action. People get kicked out of their house for wanting to own a console or an instrument, so to bring a weapon into it just ups the ante. In the end what you are asking them to do, one way or the other, is accept that their teenage child wants to own and keep a lethal device with them around, and I honestly can't blame them for being antsy about this.
So in the end, they sound a little over-anxious (no good will come of it. At the very least nothing will change, but I do agree that I can't see anything necessarily good arising from this change in situation), in that if they seem to believe that you owning the weapon will mean you become the next Columbine killer, then they are overreacting.
HOWEVER
It is their house, it is their rules, and it is their beliefs against yours, and disrupting all that over a gun is not worth it. You may both be in the wrong, but for better or worse, you're the one who should in my opinion back down over this.
Is he ignorant because he disagrees with you? LOL. No. He just disagrees with you, and I can fully appreciate why. Yes, you have a 'right' to have a firearm, but not a 'NEED'. And nobody should be made to possess a firearm, even indirectly, if they don't want to. SO is he IGNORANT? Not at all. It's a bit a ignorant to accuse him of that. And I am not sure how old you are, but perhaps you could wait until you moved out of home and started your own life, before buying a firearm.
And in case there's an urge to attack me: I grew up with rifles and lived in some pretty harsh areas of Australia.
And in case there's an urge to attack me: I grew up with rifles and lived in some pretty harsh areas of Australia.
Guns are fine. They're only bad when in the hands of someone bad. But I can understand their neverous-ness. I mean, with all the teenage and highschool shootings, they could be thinking along those lines. Putting a gun in any person's hands makes them 200% more dangerous and powerful. Which would threaten a parents power.
Ask to get one, but keep it at a firing range, or at least let one of them keep it. I wouldn't trust any teenager completely with a gun. Not even myself. I'd probably shoot a bird or something out of boredom.
Also, imagine the cost of all the ammo and maintenance.
Ask to get one, but keep it at a firing range, or at least let one of them keep it. I wouldn't trust any teenager completely with a gun. Not even myself. I'd probably shoot a bird or something out of boredom.
Also, imagine the cost of all the ammo and maintenance.
Whether or not you're right about the gun, I have a hard time calling you right if you're going against what both your parents say and coming to this forum asking for a conflicting opinion. Granted, it is fairly common teenage behavior to want to do that.
Personally, I don't like guns very much. Devices whose purpose is to accelerate a mass in such a way as to kill something. Great if you have a pressing need for murder, such as encroaching wildlife or wrong-minded individuals threatening your way of life. But, other than that, for everyday life? Having such an implement about can be problematic. Very.
A youth's attractions to killing implements are not unlike the moth's to the flame. Death is a mystifying conflagration indeed, when you're young.
Personally, I don't like guns very much. Devices whose purpose is to accelerate a mass in such a way as to kill something. Great if you have a pressing need for murder, such as encroaching wildlife or wrong-minded individuals threatening your way of life. But, other than that, for everyday life? Having such an implement about can be problematic. Very.
A youth's attractions to killing implements are not unlike the moth's to the flame. Death is a mystifying conflagration indeed, when you're young.
He's wrong for being so extreme about it. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And if he won't live in a house with it, I say let him pack his things because you don't have to give two shit what he thinks.
That being said, I seriously doubt you need a gun at 16. If you only want it for target practice, I say get a pellet gun or something of the like. If you want to fire a gun, maybe it can be something special you do with your dad for a good time.
That being said, I seriously doubt you need a gun at 16. If you only want it for target practice, I say get a pellet gun or something of the like. If you want to fire a gun, maybe it can be something special you do with your dad for a good time.