Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?

[Baneat]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG. People in this thread are using the word way too loosely. Way too loosely indeed.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

 

[charlest92]

YES

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

 

[Bloodstain]

No, it's not wrong if it's consensual.
Also, birth defects because of incest usually only arise after the second or third generation of incest, not after one incident. For example: A father having a child with his own daughter, the resulting child having an incestuous child yet again.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Personally, its definately not for me, but I dont see anything wrong with it.

Sure, I might find it weird, and you might find it weird, but thats not a good reason to outright ban it. Its really none of our business what two consenting adults do with themselves, and it would be arrogant of us to assume it is.

As for the whole "mutated babies from the womb of Satan" thing, IIRC incest doesnt actually lead to any birth defects unless you have a number of generations doing it consecutively.

 

[Baneat]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

And how was it ended? Sorry for the probing but it's such an interesting scenario

Also: anyone gonna take the challenge of putting forth valid reasoning to declare it morally wrong? come on!

 

[JUGGERNAUTBITCH]

direct family YES! its wrong.(brothers sisters mom dad.. grandma granddad?) nothing wrong with nieces etc. tho. (my parrents are nieces n nefew)

 

[Loop Stricken]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

 

[starwarsgeek]

When science backs ethics up, there's really no argument. Also, gross.

 

[Kryzantine]

As someone has probably mentioned before, incest goes strictly against the idea of diversifying the gene pool. If you know of the Hapsburg lisp, or the hemophilia that ran through the royal Russian line, those were direct results of generations of inbreeding. Biologically, incest just isn't supposed to work.

But let's ignore the idea of having offspring and simply focus on the love aspect of it. Well, that's much, much, much harder. This is complicated because I know this one incestuous couple (though only partially, they were half-siblings who only shared the same father) who ran off to Australia a few years back, and they honestly loved each other. I can't be against them, their relationship is legit, I gave them my encouragement when they moved to avoid the wrath of their parents. So it would be pretty hard to turn on that and say that incest is completely immoral - love is still love, last I checked.

Perhaps I would be pertubed if the case involved pure siblings who have known each other their whole life. That would be a tad creepy. But I don't like that I'm making distinctions here, that I can't provide a yes-or-no answer. Guess it'll have to do.

 

[Baneat]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

Well.. technically it was a return trip

Sorry this can't be resisted.

When science backs ethics up, there's really no argument. Also, gross.

Expand on this?

 

[Loner Jo Jo]

That's a question they pose to all the intro logic classes at my school... anyway... Using the assumptions that both parties are adults and consenting here.

It depends. What kind of incest? Between brother and sister, there is a good chance that if a child came out of the union it would suffer from birth defects of some sort. It seemed that the general consensus of all the people I've talked to about this is that so long as they take every precaution necessary to ensure they do not procreate, then it is morally fine. Between cousins, while still gross, it's been shown that the likelihood of birth defects is minimal, so then maybe even if they didn't take precautions it would still be morally fine. It happened a great deal throughout history anyway so...

 

[Rin Little]

I mean personally it makes me cringe to think of and I'm an only child, but hey if it's what makes you both happy then go for it... I guess? I think most of the social stigma comes out of biological reasons such as a genetic bottle-neck and thus all the disfigurements a child born of an incestuous relationship will tend to have...

 

[Jacob Iott]

I don't know...

Is it wrong to kill a suicidal person?

 

[Jake0fTrades]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

 

[CrystalShadow]

So my family and I were eating, and incest became, albiet briefly, the subject. So that got me thinking: is incest wrong if it's consensual?

EDIT: A lot of people think that something like that is going on in my family. No. Just... No. The thought is just... *vomits*

That's never had anything to do with why incest is considered wrong.

Incest, at the end of the day is 'wrong' because of the risks related to inbreeding if you happen to have a child with a close relative.

Interesting, yet vaguely disturbing fact:

Under UK law, there are two groups.
People you are allowed to marry, and people you are allowed to have sex with.

in terms of people you are related to, you can marry your cousins.

It's illegal to marry your aunts, uncles, mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, brothers and sisters. (It's still illegal to marry step-mothers and fathers, and step-brothers/sisters. Possibly because in the past it would have been very difficult to tell if you're related to them or not, or maybe for some other reasons.)

Now, how about just having sex with relatives?

Well, assuming it's consensual, it's still illegal to have sex with brothers/sisters, parents, and your grandfather. (including step-parents and step-brothers/sisters)

It's alright to have sex with your cousins, uncles, and aunts though.

And, bizarrely enough, it's legal to have sex with your grandmother, while it's illegal to do so with your grandfather...

(That last one seems really bizarre, but if you consider incest laws to be related to having deformed children, it kind of makes sense... A grandfather could still get his granddaughter pregnant... The majority of grandmothers are too old to still have more children.)

But... I don't know. There's a lot more problems with the idea of having sex with close relatives than just the risk of inbred children...

 

[Curlythelock]

Yes it is wrong.

 

[Entropywarrior]

Its a little odd, and I wonder how exactly you bring it up lol, but if you both wanna do it... more power to you.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Well.. technically it was a return trip

I like you.

When science backs ethics up, there's really no argument. Also, gross.

Expand on this?

I assume he's referring to the higher risk of birth defects granted to a child of incest. Which is, according to a random Google page, about 5%.
Of course, according to the same page the chance of birth defects in your average nonrelated couple is about 2.5%

BUT THAT'S A 100% INCREASE OH MY GOD

 

[jakeblues1295]

Hmmm.......where did I put my 10ft pole?