Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?

[Monkfish Acc.]

Depends.

Parent and child, siblings where one is significantly older, aunts and uncles, much older cousins. These can all be pretty iffy. There is a chance the younger participants have been groomed into it.
If they'd barely seen each other in their entire lives, sure, why not. It's consentual, there's probably not any mind fuckery going on. They're welcome to do as they please. We have contraception now, there is no reason for it NOT to be okay.

I mean, sure, it's pretty gross, but it's not really anybody's business. Taboo is not a legitimate reason to keep two people who love each other apart. If you remember, being gay used to be (and still is in some parts) this huge taboo, and I would like to think most of us here are pretty aware how stupid homophobia is.

 

[gabe12301]

That's just sick of course not! just...why would you ask this?

 

[Mr. 47]

Is the two parties are both of age, then no. I find it a little peculier to say the least, but if they are happy, who are we to deny them?

 

[Loop Stricken]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I'm comparing viewpoints, dear. Greens and Jehova's Witnesses would consider the above to be not natural in our culture and highly frowned upon.

Meat; vegetarians.
Nuclear power; idiots who think wind power will suffice.

You see where I'm going with this?

 

[Kargathia]

Debating whether it's morally wrong to have a consensual incestuous relationship is something that doesn't even matter.
The incest part doesn't even come into play yet - the problem is "consensual".

Family members can excercise way too much influence over each other to truly be able to say something is consensual. It's not a case of "it always is like this", it is a case of "it might be like this, and that's why it's best to ban it altogether".

The same thing goes for relations between teacher and pupil. A sexual relationship with your student gets you jailed, and put on the sex offenders list. Even if the both of you are adults, and even if it was the student asking you out for dates / dinner / etc.

If you're in an influentual position you'll have to accept the responsibility that comes with it. And while you can always start dating after graduation, there is no point where you clearly can't influence your family any more.

 

[Baneat]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I thought that was fairly clear.

I just don't see the connection.

He was highlighting how poor the connection was. The argument proposed was that not being natural => moral wrong. He was refuting by example.

 

[Hurray Forums]

It's taboo not because it's rape but because it contaminates the population with harmful mutations. The gene pool doesn't need to be diluted any faster than it already is, thank you very much.

Actually it kinda does what with dilution being the general dispersion of one solution in another which is what you DO when you breed with fresh genetic material...

To explain myself then, we need to keep harmful mutations that are preventable to a minimum. That works best when new genetic material is added. Stagnation then. Avoiding stagnation is the goal.

Love and happiness is more important than genetic diversity. Relationships are about feelings, not producing the best child. It's an irrelevant point anyway as incest doesn't automatically result in children. This would be an argument against children being born from incest, not incest itself. Kind of like how you ban shooting people instead of banning guns entirely. Finally, if genetic stagnation is "wrong" we should ban living on islands since those tend to be pretty stagnant.

 

[aashell13]

Yes, absolutely. Most religions prohibit it, so if you're at all religious then its a no-go for that reason. Also, society has a legitimate pragmatic reason for curtailing the practice, given that any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled.

 

[robert01]

Like they say a family that sleeps together sticks together right?

Seriously I can't say I would agree with any form on wincest plan and simple. But what people do is their business but if I was seeing a girl and it came out that she slept with family memebers I wouldn't be talking to her again. Period.

 

[retyopy]

Crap, escapist ate my post, then spat it out.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

 

[Baneat]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

 

[Loop Stricken]

snip

Wait, so you're saying you would want... that's...

wierd vibes, eh?

No. See this post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.305719.12287453].

 

[Loop Stricken]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

Funny, I tend to hear the same thing about religion.

Except from its practitioners.

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

And I was implying that you want to go to home base with your mom. cheers.

EDIT: I screwed up the quote.

 

[metamorphosis18]

Morally wrong, grey area.
Ethically wrong - almost certainly, given the possible consequences-

 

[Jake0fTrades]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

And I was implying that you want to go to home base with your mom. cheers.

EDIT: I screwed up the quote.

EDIT 2: That was a joke. Just so you're clear.

 

[karamazovnew]

- Incest between parent and child (underage) is a crime and an ugly one at that. Unfortunately, incest between father and daughter (usually violent) used to be the most common type.

- Incest between parent and adult child is just plain weird.

- Incest between siblings is (outside of hentai animes) quite ugly, usually an older brother will force and abuse a younger sister (usually both underage). However, using imagination here, there might be "happy couples" out there and as long as they don't have children, it's.. well, who am I to judge?

- Cousins (first degree) are ok, but again, only as long as there are no children. Unfortunately quite many countries permit marriage. However if the cousin is from the mother/grandmother side (even second degree), it's extremely dangerous.

 

[chadachada123]

Yes, absolutely. Most religions prohibit it, so if you're at all religious then its a no-go for that reason. Also, society has a legitimate pragmatic reason for curtailing the practice, given that any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled.

Religion has nothing to do with the legal framework, and nothing to do with the moral framework for non-religious people.

Oh, and your quote "any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled" is both factually incorrect and logically ineffectual as an argument. The chance of disability goes up only VERY slightly in a first-generation incestual relationship. It is inbreeding over *generations* that causes, say, royal families to contract many genetic defects. On top of that, it is only an argument against related people *giving birth.* It says nothing about gay related people having sex, or straight related people having sex without having children.