Poll: Is it cheap, if it's in the game?

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ace_of_something

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ExaltedK9 said:
madbird-valiant said:
Sanders? I do believe her name is Anders. Anyway, that sounds like the same thing as when I made a hesitant venture into Gears of War online, and I was assaulted with "YOU CAN'T USE A SHOTGUN AT CLOSE RANGE, THAT IS SO CHEATING."
yea sorry, Ander that is,And I've come across alot of shotgun critisism in GoW2. They are easily shaken.
Huh? Isn't that the whole point of the shotgun in like, every game that has a shotgun man people are crybabies.

Things might be cheap but they are not cheating. If it is an exploit that the developer didn't realize would unbalance the game it will usually be patched as nowadays with online play and all that they have no excuse for such things.
 

massau

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if its shooting in the back its cheap but its cool that you could came around that person
 

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madbird-valiant said:
Sanders? I do believe her name is Anders. Anyway, that sounds like the same thing as when I made a hesitant venture into Gears of War online, and I was assaulted with "YOU CAN'T USE A SHOTGUN AT CLOSE RANGE, THAT IS SO CHEATING."
Haha thats SO funny

Yeah I think if its in the game and not a glitch it's ok
 

squid5580

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I believe there is a flaw with the "well it is in the game" theory. Some games like a balanced RTS well everyone has the same stuff to choose from so cheap is not really applicable. If you overrun my base with a bunch of grunts while I am gathering resources to bring doomageddon to your doorstep well it sucks to be me.

On the other hand I am going to use Fear 2 as an example for this since it was the worst balance issue I have ever seen. On a control Point map there are mechs. 2 Mechs 5 control points and a bunch of people. Each team can only use 1 mech when you control CP 2. And you spawn on CPs you control. Almost every match I played followed the same path. Get 1 and 2 (or 5 and 4), get mech, mechs battle at 3. Winning mech (that regenerates fast) camps on 2 or 4 (depending on what side the enemy controls) and spawn camps with mech til either the rest of the team takes the points or everyone losing quits (and occasionally some winners who see the sheer stupidity). That is unfair, unbalanced and cheap.
 

elitecrewer

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Heard a nice rule once I guess... 'If it's fun to do, use it'. Probably why no-one complains about bunny hopping in Halo (well not THAT much).

Also, it obviously reflects on the game if it's got so-called 'exploits' in it.
 

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I know, not brought up here at all, but I'm only doing so because it falls into the criteria of being pvp, being online, and having its own exploits. The game? Why, it's called Arcanists (www.funorb.com) ((P.S. Sorry if this is considered advertising, I have a tendency to share games I love))

Now, if you want people to scream 'n00b' and all of its variations at you, then there are three spells you can easily use. Only one of them causes anything considered decent damage, but they all generally have the same effect.

Arcane Flash: 15 damage, melee range. Effect? Damage, clears out a considerable amount of terrain around yourself, and, if aimed correctly, sends the opponent flying, usually into the ocean.

Vine Whip: 15-30 damage, extended melee range. Effect? Damage, clears out a nice tunnel with a bubble at the end for you or allies to use, and if aimed right, sends the target hurtling through the air, usually into the ocean.

Shock Bomb: 35-70 damage, tossable, minor range. Effect? Damage, does nothing to terrain, and sends an opponent flying, usually into the ocean.


There are others that induce flight, but these are the ones that are used the most, and most people complain about. Why? They're easy to use, easy to set up (Shock Bomb especially as its book comes bundled with Flight, which allows the user to do a bomb run, if they so choose), and being sent into the ocean, unlike in Worms, only costs the target a turn as they teleport anywhere back on stage they choose.

Why do people complain? Because they're easy, and they often cost them a turn. I will admit, I often use them as a first turn attack, if only because the turn lost to my opponent is a turn that I can set up my defenses, all of which can be worked around with other spells, or tactics of their own.

Do people think of these tactics all the time? Will they know the limitations and strengths of their spells at every moment? Hardly if at all. I only know what works for me, what makes my fights as fun for others to watch as they are for me to play, and I push to that end.

Cheap players will go for a bundle of easy tactics with high results, of which there are countless.

Stylish players will go for the flashy spells with tactile demands and beautiful resolve.

'Good' players will go for a medium spread that allows them to go anywhere or counter just about anything without having anything really damaging until late into the match.


That's the long and short of it, anyways...

And anybody who complains about a shotgun to the face doesn't understand its purpose...outside of bird hunting
 

Pimppeter2

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I voted yes, but it depends on the contex of the game.

When I play Nba Live online, i hate when people just play as the lakers and try to score with kobe the whole game. They usually lose, and thats just annoying because even if you score 80 with kobe, my team will still score 120 on you. It ruins the concept of basketball

On the other hand, soe of my friends hate it when I or others play as the lakers or such. But then I remind them that its okay to use my fav team in the leauge(not the lakers god no, but some other good teams). I mean thats the reason to be upset becuase I picked a team with a good player. especially when your playing as the heat

grr
 

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DM. said:
Overlord Moo said:
madbird-valiant said:
Sanders? I do believe her name is Anders. Anyway, that sounds like the same thing as when I made a hesitant venture into Gears of War online, and I was assaulted with "YOU CAN'T USE A SHOTGUN AT CLOSE RANGE, THAT IS SO CHEATING."
Wait, wait, wait... You got attacked for using a shotgun at close range?!? That's one of the stupidist things I've ever heared
Happens more times then it seems,
It's people like this that cause the " Humanity is getting stupider with every generation" argument.
 

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It's not cheap unless it is in fighting games. Move spam in Street Fighter and Soul Calibur is one of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.
 

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I don't believe in the concept of 'cheating', but rather fair play. I find that no matter how much cheating you do, any amount of 'skill' will be able to easily win over. Such as in Starcraft or Halo Wars, I could mass all I want, but a few well-placed spells (starcraft) or well-placed heavy units and special moves will decimate the entire army. Such as in Halo Wars, I find that it is fairly easy to bring down a pair of scarabs if done right with very few losses, and then a few bases on top of that.
 

McClaud

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If it's fair, then use it. Those noobs yelling at you because you used something in the game that was intended to be used by the developers? Dumbasses.

If it's a fucking glitch, and ruins the experience for everyone else, then don't use it. Glitches aren't meant to be part of the initial gaming experience, and they destroy the fairness in games. If someone calls you a cheater because you used a glitch to win, then you're the dumbass.
 

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yes every single one of these arguements are invalid

games are for fun if you 2 piece in gears or whatever it takes the fun out of the game for the other player and if you are putting winning in front of fun then you care about the game way to much
 

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If it's a glitch? No, it's not fair.
If it was purposely put in by the developer? Go ahead.
 

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RapidCrash said:
I don't believe in the concept of 'cheating', but rather fair play. I find that no matter how much cheating you do, any amount of 'skill' will be able to easily win over. Such as in Starcraft or Halo Wars, I could mass all I want, but a few well-placed spells (starcraft) or well-placed heavy units and special moves will decimate the entire army. Such as in Halo Wars, I find that it is fairly easy to bring down a pair of scarabs if done right with very few losses, and then a few bases on top of that.
What about an invincibility glitch? Or hacks? You're talking about "cheap" (read: cheap doesn't exist) tactics, not actual cheating.
 

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ygetoff said:
If it's a glitch? No, it's not fair.
If it was purposely put in by the developer? Go ahead.
This. When I first heard the OP, I was hesitant because there are a lot of glitch abusers out there. Like when Team Roomba somehow got beneath the map and built turrets that were able to fire at the people above.
 

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ygetoff said:
RapidCrash said:
I don't believe in the concept of 'cheating', but rather fair play. I find that no matter how much cheating you do, any amount of 'skill' will be able to easily win over. Such as in Starcraft or Halo Wars, I could mass all I want, but a few well-placed spells (starcraft) or well-placed heavy units and special moves will decimate the entire army. Such as in Halo Wars, I find that it is fairly easy to bring down a pair of scarabs if done right with very few losses, and then a few bases on top of that.
What about an invincibility glitch? Or hacks? You're talking about "cheap" (read: cheap doesn't exist) tactics, not actual cheating.
glitches - fine to an extent
hacks - just shameful

glitches are simply finding an advantage already in the game. It's there and everyone has an equal chance to use them (although I would rather they didn't), so really I don't find it all too bad. Hacks on the other hand are purposeful and have specific intent to gain an upper hand against everyone else by CREATING your own advantage.
 
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If a game has an annoying cheap weapon, than it is the designers fault, but this means that it becomes annoying and not fun for others. Take Team Fortress Classic for example, each class had 2 types of grenades, and they were both bloody annoying, then in TF2, they omitted said grenades, balancing gameplay and simplifying it to the fun weapons. So yes, it is a legitimate tactic, it is just annoying and not that much fun to use. Which brings me to another question, if they think the game is so good, then why are they willing to omit the cheapocannons from all reviews, if they spend all the other times ranting about x weapon is for noobs (Which means that they don't like how they can be killed if they are "elite", excuses excuses), then say it is the best game ever? Take halo for example, sorry to bag on it, it is an actually nice game, but the Banshee from the multiplayer, or in fact, any flying vehicle of any multiplayer game, unbalances the game extremely unfairly towards the 2 players who are lucky enough to get in them before the others. Then, every little runt on the ground, who comprise about 97% if the players, are just killed to death in a mass slaughter and end up pissed and unsatisfied with the game.
 

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wow 75% od people are noobs lol jk. Its cheap when you use the methods that everyone can use to kill anyone. If fine to use it once or twice but when its the only thing u do all game its just not right. When I pay halo 3 our of courtesy I dont use shotguns swords vehicles unless the other team is using them and i only do it to give them the taste of their own medicine. Honestly if youre good enough it doesnt matter what tatics they use any good player knows how to beat those tatics. Maybe its just me but I sorta have an honor code with games. Others dont share the same one and thats fine.