Poll: Is it Cruelty to Animals if you stop an animal from harming you?
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No, there are some very specific rules about this. Even if a Panda bear breaks out of a zoo and tries to get you, you have every right to kill the living shit out of it, regardless of endangered level and animal ownership.
Depends....if you kick a dog that is attacking you no....if you kick him stand on him and do stuff to it then yes
cruelty [ˈkruːəltɪ]
n pl -ties
1. deliberate infliction of pain or suffering
2. the quality or characteristic of being cruel
3. a cruel action
Self defense, as long as it is concise, should never be considered cruelty. Deliberate violence WITHOUT provocation could be considered cruelty, however.
n pl -ties
1. deliberate infliction of pain or suffering
2. the quality or characteristic of being cruel
3. a cruel action
Self defense, as long as it is concise, should never be considered cruelty. Deliberate violence WITHOUT provocation could be considered cruelty, however.
No, what kind of question is that?
I will do my very best effort to kick the shit out of any animal attacking me, same goes for humans (though i will show more restraint against a human).
I will do my very best effort to kick the shit out of any animal attacking me, same goes for humans (though i will show more restraint against a human).
No its not.
Chances are however that the actions leading up to the animal attacking you involved animal cruelty in some form.
There's also an ssue of whether the whole incident could be avoided. If you knowingly take a shortcut through a backyard with a dog, or a park with an aggressive magpie then its your own stupid fault if you get hurt. Defending yourself in such an instance still isn't animal cruelty it just makes you a dickhead.
Oh and as Strain42 said, the reaction should suit the situation. Nothing pisses me off more than dickheads walkng around with big sticks waiting to bludgeon a swooping magpie to death because it dared to (worse case scenario) peck them on the head.
Chances are however that the actions leading up to the animal attacking you involved animal cruelty in some form.
There's also an ssue of whether the whole incident could be avoided. If you knowingly take a shortcut through a backyard with a dog, or a park with an aggressive magpie then its your own stupid fault if you get hurt. Defending yourself in such an instance still isn't animal cruelty it just makes you a dickhead.
Oh and as Strain42 said, the reaction should suit the situation. Nothing pisses me off more than dickheads walkng around with big sticks waiting to bludgeon a swooping magpie to death because it dared to (worse case scenario) peck them on the head.
I agree with you on the dog for the most part, you should actively be avoiding places like that if you have an ounce of sense in your skull. However, as someone who lives in Australia, where magpies are abundant, I can tell you that they are vicious, hateful birds who will attack you for having the audacity to exist anywhere NEAR their nests, even when they build them along common walkways and footpaths humans use, and even when you give no indication of any interest in them whatsoever. Oftentimes you won't even know you're near a magpie nest until the little monster is stabbing you in the head with its beak.fletch_talon said:
So slaughtering the little bastards for pecking you in the back of the head hard enough to bleed with their diseased little beaks isn't animal cruelty, in my eyes. It's selection pressure on the species to weed that trait out. The same applies to other self-defense situations against animals, so long as they are the aggressor and they clearly have harmful or lethal intent, as well as the means the execute that intent. Obviously an angry cat doesn't pose the same threat as a large dog, so you shouldn't treat it as the same threat.
It depends because some people are dicks around dogs for instance, the dog gets cornered nips a person and is it appropriate to beat that dog for it? Hell no. It's all circumstantial though.
I also live in Australia. And in my experience, magpies will rarely actually make contact unless they have reason to feel threatened or have been mistreated in the past. Most of the time they will swoop but not actually hit, trying to scare intruders away.Zoraste said:
And as someone who has been pecked in the back of the head hard enough to make me bleed, I can say that the brief pain does not warrant killing a creature that is acting on its natural instincts. They can generally be avoided and there are tactics that will often prevent them swooping at all (I've found that 9 times out of 10, a magpie won't swoop whilst you watch it, I've even had magpies break mid-swoop simply because I turned and saw them).
Also selection pressure is presumably what gave the magpie its aggressive breeding behaviour. You won't weed out the trait no matter how many birds you so bravely defend yourself against.
I also like how you say that a cat poses less threat than a dog, stands to reason that a bird would then be less than a cat. If you think killing a magpie is ok, I'd hate to see what you do to a dog (I'm assuming it involves a car battery and electrodes).
Now if that last line didn't give it away, I'm straddling the line between indignation and humour. I do disagree with you, but I don't wanna get into a fight over it. So long as you don't kill one whilst I'm nearby its really none of my business what you do. Personally I think compromise is the best solution, and I have heard of instances where aggressive magpies and their nests have been relocated to avoid incidents.
Is it cruelty to other people if you stop them from harming you?
Answer that question and you'll have your answer.
Answer that question and you'll have your answer.
