Poll: Is it ever moral to kill when it is not in self defense?

[GreyWolf257]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

No worries, I can't take anyone serious who supports someone who has murdered that many people. I usually just read their quotes and shake my head. I've gotten to the point where I don't even argue with them anymore.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

No worries, I can't take anyone serious who supports someone who has murdered that many people. I usually just read their quotes and shake my head. I've gotten to the point where I don't even argue with them anymore.

My friend, much in the style of a holocaust denier, claims that the death count of Stalin's reign of terror is an invention of the capitalist media and that the only people he killed were those who attacked his forces. He really believes that the USSR was good and, since Stalin was its first premiere, he feels he needs to justify his actions to agree with the values of the nation as a whole

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Most would agree that, as a general rule, killing is wrong. It is also accepted that an exception to that rule is to kill in self defense. However, are there other exceptions?

I believe there are.

I believe that if someone in a position of power is abusing their power to kill thousands and make the world a worse place, not only is it moral to kill them if given the chance, but it would be immoral not to kill them. Just to clear up, I'm talking about someone like, on the level of Hitler. Not just some president you happen to disagree with.

Do you agree?

I'm gonna answer this slightly differently.

Murder is the lustful, often vengeful, killing of another human. It is done through hate and complete disregard for human life.

As long as killing a person isn't because of that definition of murder, I don't really care.

Also, killing someone in a war, even if your feeling for killing them is murderous, doesn't count. It's natural to feel that way. After all, the person you killed wants to kill you too.

"War is hell" is what i would quote in responce

 

[Helimocopter]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

has achmedinijad(sp?) really done anything that terrible yet?
this is a post more out of ignorance than any attempt to challenge

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

There is a difference between what is moral and what is right. It's not moral to kill when it's not self-defense. However, sometimes it is the right thing to do.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

If i know, for a fact, that someone is going to kill 2 people. And i know for a fact that there is no other alternative than to kill them. I will kill them. Period. However, if there is even a shadow of a doubt about either point, then i would seek a different method.

You have a sound ideology. Much applause and such

But their is one thing, what possition of power is each person. What i mean is if the person your going to kill is say Vladamire Puton for him condeming 2 poor sick people, then that wouldnt be very smart. Sure thats an extreme but you get the point. Plus killing Vlad would end the world in a nuclear opacolips(sp?)

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

Stalin wasn't communist!!! Anyone who's a true commie knows that. Stalin was a douche bag who took everything potentially good about communism, corrupted it, and made a brutal dictatorship out it.

Your friends are either blatantly stupid or they have no idea what they're talking about; they're just feeling rebellious towards their current political authorities and are trying to find the best way to send a political "F--- YOU!" message to them. Kinda like an emo kid in highschool. That everyone hates. because he/she is just fake.

Yeah. I don't like Stalin because A) I don't like the absolute extreme presented by communism, as I am socialist and B) to quote an internet picture about Stalin "Communism: You're Doing It Wrong"

He admittedly knows little about the political structure of communism, but has devoted all his time to studying communist economics.

 

[GreyWolf257]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

No worries, I can't take anyone serious who supports someone who has murdered that many people. I usually just read their quotes and shake my head. I've gotten to the point where I don't even argue with them anymore.

My friend, much in the style of a holocaust denier, claims that the death count of Stalin's reign of terror is an invention of the capitalist media and that the only people he killed were those who attacked his forces. He really believes that the USSR was good and, since Stalin was its first premiere, he feels he needs to justify his actions to agree with the values of the nation as a whole

I spent a few minutes trying to think of a clever joke or witty statement, but all I can think of is how retarded that statement is. I think I just gave myself a brain tumor trying to figure out what mind set someone has to be in to think that.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

has achmedinijad(sp?) really done anything that terrible yet?
this is a post more out of ignorance than any attempt to challenge

Well, he is quite dictatorial. After the Iranian elections I was following Iranian tweeters. Several times someone would be posting updates every minute about the horrors the government was perpetrating. Then the tweets would stop. 40 minutes later, their account would start posting pro-Iranian government propoganda.

I suspect lots of people I was following died that day.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

No worries, I can't take anyone serious who supports someone who has murdered that many people. I usually just read their quotes and shake my head. I've gotten to the point where I don't even argue with them anymore.

My friend, much in the style of a holocaust denier, claims that the death count of Stalin's reign of terror is an invention of the capitalist media and that the only people he killed were those who attacked his forces. He really believes that the USSR was good and, since Stalin was its first premiere, he feels he needs to justify his actions to agree with the values of the nation as a whole

I spent a few minutes trying to think of a clever joke or witty statement, but all I can think of is how retarded that statement is. I think I just gave myself a brain tumor trying to figure out what mind set someone has to be in to think that.

he is absolutely obsessed with the idea of communism. So obsessed that he is blinded to the fact that soviet russia, north korea, and china are not true communist countries, but have gone more facist than anything

 

[Ridley200]

Yes. Like when it's for money.

god I hope your kidding.

hitmen- capitalism at its most literally "cutthroat"

Just saying... mercenaries get paid more than doctors... and with less time wasted in school...

that is true

The only thing is, how does one become a merc or an assassin. Personally i'd much prefer to be an assassin, but even though it'd mean going to africa or some other hole of a place, i'd happilly become a merc. Only thing that's really stopping me is how would one procure jobs? Not like you'd see listings in the paper...

But on topic. Would you say no to a million dollars just to pull a trigger?

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

If i know, for a fact, that someone is going to kill 2 people. And i know for a fact that there is no other alternative than to kill them. I will kill them. Period. However, if there is even a shadow of a doubt about either point, then i would seek a different method.

You have a sound ideology. Much applause and such

But their is one thing, what possition of power is each person. What i mean is if the person your going to kill is say Vladamire Puton for him condeming 2 poor sick people, then that wouldnt be very smart. Sure thats an extreme but you get the point. Plus killing Vlad would end the world in a nuclear opacolips(sp?)

That is a good point

 

[duchaked]

on an individual level and in self or for other defense...no, but I can see many reasons it'd be understandable for it to happen
meaning, it's not moral but I can sympathize and pray I never get into that situation where being human takes over utterly

 

[GreyWolf257]

Sorry, double post.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Yes. Like when it's for money.

god I hope your kidding.

hitmen- capitalism at its most literally "cutthroat"

Just saying... mercenaries get paid more than doctors... and with less time wasted in school...

that is true

The only thing is, how does one become a merc or an assassin. Personally i'd much prefer to be an assassin, but even though it'd mean going to africa or some other hole of a place, i'd happilly become a merc. Only thing that's really stopping me is how would one procure jobs? Not like you'd see listings in the paper...

But on topic. Would you say no to a million dollars just to pull a trigger?

Yes. Perhaps its because I'm such a raging pinko, but I find human life to be of more value than money

 

[GreyWolf257]

People who it would DEFINATELY be a moral decision to kill (Disregarding how history would probably be f'ed up, of course):

Hitler
Stalin
Mao Ze Dong
Mamouhd Amedenijad (I don't want to look up spelling)
Atila the Hun
Saddam Houssein (Again)
Osama Bin Laden

[Generic millions of other evildoers]

And the creator of Diet Snapple

Good list. I agree with all of those. Although some of my communist friends might skin you for the Stalin one (I'm a socialist and don't much care for soviet russia so I don't like Stalin)

No worries, I can't take anyone serious who supports someone who has murdered that many people. I usually just read their quotes and shake my head. I've gotten to the point where I don't even argue with them anymore.

My friend, much in the style of a holocaust denier, claims that the death count of Stalin's reign of terror is an invention of the capitalist media and that the only people he killed were those who attacked his forces. He really believes that the USSR was good and, since Stalin was its first premiere, he feels he needs to justify his actions to agree with the values of the nation as a whole

I spent a few minutes trying to think of a clever joke or witty statement, but all I can think of is how retarded that statement is. I think I just gave myself a brain tumor trying to figure out what mind set someone has to be in to think that.

he is absolutely obsessed with the idea of communism. So obsessed that he is blinded to the fact that soviet russia, north korea, and china are not true communist countries, but have gone more facist than anything

Oy...that is just crazy. I really don't know how to respond to that.