Poll: Is it fair to call Top Gun gay?
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I think, in part because it is such a "guy" movie, people want to tease out the homoerotic undertones in it and point out that the juvenile fetishism of masculinity that characterizes such films is quite homoerotic, while ironically appealing most to people who consider homosexuality unmanly.
Put another way- films like this one illustrate the inherent irony that the most manly and least manly thing you can do (according to juvenile definitions of masculinity) is the same exact thing: admiration of the male form.
Put another way- films like this one illustrate the inherent irony that the most manly and least manly thing you can do (according to juvenile definitions of masculinity) is the same exact thing: admiration of the male form.
If someone wants to find homoerotic undertones in a movie, s/he will find it. Just like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Ergo, it's fair to call any movie gay, as long as the accuser tries and squints hard enough.
Top gun is a special case, however. Tom Cruise has such a big ego that he can take any insult and maybe even needs a few to get back to earth. It's fair to call him as gay as you want, I'm sure he'll be fine.
Top gun is a special case, however. Tom Cruise has such a big ego that he can take any insult and maybe even needs a few to get back to earth. It's fair to call him as gay as you want, I'm sure he'll be fine.
Oh please. How could a movie where the male protagonists call each other cute nicknames, and play volleyball, and ride their phallic vehicles at extremely high speeds be anything but straight?Squilookle said:
Er... not sure which side of the fence you're falling on here. Also how on earth is an F-14 phallic? it barely even has a nose! Maybe if they had a slo-mo scene of an in-flight refuelling, THEN they might have been phallic.SilverUchiha said:
Seriously, the "MiG 28s" even fit the term better. And what would THAT say about the US if it was intentional symbolism?
Somebody had to do it:
But honestly, sweaty/oily men hitting volleyballs in super slo-mo. I'm sorry but this is super gay.
But honestly, sweaty/oily men hitting volleyballs in super slo-mo. I'm sorry but this is super gay.
'DVS BSTrD said:
this
it isn't the fact that their are shirtless guys going around or anything.
it's how they go around doing that.
most movies have dudes near butt ass naked or literally butt ass naked (starship troopers off the top of my head, although that was unisex showers)
there is nothing wrong with it, but the context is CLEARLY their, whether it was intentional or just part of the whole 80's thing, i'll never know.
(a little fun fact, back in high school there was one underclassman on the soccer team who literally LOVED top gun,as in literal favorite movie of all time and gear he wore to prove it, while everyone else didn't quite care, but he also showed quite a few "homosexual innuendos" from time to time, so take that for what it's worth i guess.)
It's incredibly camp at the very least! It's a story about a young confused pilot, struggling with his sexuality, trying to hide his feelings, and pretend to be strait in a time that Homosexuals were not allowed in the military! But it turns out that ALL the pilots were gay and pretending...
Most gay line: (During the first brief at the Top Gun Accademy
Wolfman: This gives me a hard on.
Hollywood: Don't tease me.
Come on... What more evidence do you need?
Most gay line: (During the first brief at the Top Gun Accademy
Wolfman: This gives me a hard on.
Hollywood: Don't tease me.
Come on... What more evidence do you need?
Um... dude. I was just quoting a line from YGOTAM:BBT because that's essentially where this thread started from (seeing as how it started only a few days after it was uploaded to youtube). So... yeah... why so serious?Squilookle said:
What baffles me is how you're trying to talk as if I'm the only person who ever brought this up.Sober Thal said:
Here's a recut trailer for Top Gun [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXxi9IKZSA]. Now, I know that it's possible for a movie's premise to be completely warped by a recut trailer, but not since the comedy trailer for The Wicker Man [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mW8mBzmHo] have I seen it done with so little effort on the part of the editor.
I'm wondering if you even watched the movie. The only way you could ignore all this stuff is if you thought that part of boot camp was a chemical neutering or some sort of brain surgery that removes any and all concept of sex and sexuality from the human mind. Hell, even Val Kilmer joked that his first acting role as a gay character was in Top Gun.
