Poll: Is it inaccurate or offensive to call Anime "Cartoons"

[Pyro Paul]

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Okay....enough of this. A words definition changes as society dictates it. A cartoon USED to mean just what you said, and it still does, but it's modern definition has expanded to include animation as a whole because society says so. Do you see all the people just in this thread using the word cartoon, as you would say, incorrectly? No, they are using it by it's modern definition.

just because people believe something doesn't make it so.


A Cartoon is litterally means 'Short unrefined'
the confusion about it being attributed to Animation is placed on the orginal animated short, 'Steam Boat Willie' entitled 'Sound Cartoon'



Major animation studios such as Warner Bro and Walt Disney both maintained (and still do) that a 'Cartoon' is a short quickly done animated bit with simple story. This has continued to this day as 'cartoons' are still short (7-15 or so minutes long) and 'cartoon shows' are litterally two or three Cartoons packed together in a single 30 minute time slot.

when you go beyond the 15 minute time marker they stop remaining cartoons and are then considered 'Animations'.

go back and look at anything animated Disney, Warner Brothers, or Universal... Anything below 15 minutes is considered a Cartoon. Josie and the pussy cats, Scooby-doo, Loony Tunes, Tom and Jerry. anything above 15 minutes was entitled 'Animated'. Jonny Quest from Hanna-barbra was an 'Animated-Adventure'. Pinnochio, Snow White, Alice in Wonder land and all the other feature length films by Disney, Warner Brothers, and so on all titled 'Animated Films' on their title cards.


in modern definition a Cartoon is a type of hand drawn animation... Not a term to identify ALL hand drawn animation.

 

[finalfantasyaddictAU]

Linguistically speaking ?A?j? (Anime) is the short-form of the word Animation. The term does not necessarily mean 'cartoon' in that, the meaning of 'cartoon' has come to encompass both comic strips/non-animated features, as well as animated ones. Though the Japanese make this distinction by pronouncing ?A?j? (Anime) for obviously named Animation features, and ???æ (Manga) for most features similar to comic strips/books. In both instances the Japanese consider ?J[?g?D[?? (cartoons) as the Western equivilent, just as the West considers Anime the Japanese equivilent.

Although it may be offensive to some, due to purely cultural and linguistical difference, these are equivalent yet dissimilar in their own contexts...

 

[DkLnBr]

animated cartoon, noun
: a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animated+cartoon?show=0&t=1299435683

So in short, yes. Its just a different style of cartoon than say, spongebob or the simpsons

 

[Pyro Paul]

animated cartoon, noun
: a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animated+cartoon?show=0&t=1299435683

So in short, yes. Its just a different style of cartoon than say, spongebob or the simpsons

So you're saying the orginal Star Wars is a cartoon?

 

[A random person]

I'm not really offended or anything if you call anime cartoons, but I call them by separate names because it makes conversation easier for some reason.

 

[blankedboy]

Eh, I'd say it is inaccurate. Western? I call them cartoons, generally. Japanese? Animé.
If anyone tries to get into a conversation about animé with me in real life, and call them cartoons, I just give them the "Are you stupid" look. And then explain why it is animé, and not cartoons.
As it is, I just give that look to my screen, then go to look at the next thread.

Cartoons from Japan are still cartoons. Anyone who gets pissy over someone calling them that is far too obsessed with them.

I AM NOT OBSESSED.
*Goes to rearrange her animé figurines*

Put the Higurashi girls so that they make rainbow hair ^^

OT: I don't mind, but it's still better to say 'anime'. I consider anime and cartoons pretty damn different, it's just that other people don't necessarily so why bother?

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

It's an animated show (AKA a CARTOON!) Don't watch anime myself but I find myself getting into this argument rather frequently with my friends...

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

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OT: I don't mind, but it's still better to say 'anime'. I consider anime and cartoons pretty damn different, it's just that other people don't necessarily so why bother?

Most of my animé figurines are Higurashi characters >.>
In fact, all but one, which is Rei Ayanami (It was dirt cheap, I had no choice >.>)
I need to get more... I need Rika, Hanyuu and Shion... wonder if there are any Keichii ones...
Also, the Rena and Rika ones are the most expensive, and Satoko tends to be the cheapest >.>

 

[blankedboy]

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OT: I don't mind, but it's still better to say 'anime'. I consider anime and cartoons pretty damn different, it's just that other people don't necessarily so why bother?

Most of my animé figurines are Higurashi characters >.>
In fact, all but one, which is Rei Ayanami (It was dirt cheap, I had no choice >.>)
I need to get more... I need Rika, Hanyuu and Shion... wonder if there are any Keichii ones...
Also, the Rena and Rika ones are the most expensive, and Satoko tends to be the cheapest >.>

It's official, you're obsessed.

 

[DkLnBr]

animated cartoon, noun
: a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animated+cartoon?show=0&t=1299435683

So in short, yes. Its just a different style of cartoon than say, spongebob or the simpsons

So you're saying the orginal Star Wars is a cartoon?

Ha, no. merriam-webster is

 

[nicholaxxx]

while true about some anime, I wouldn't argue the "depth and complexity" of Naruto and Bleach. I still say Anime because most of the people I know default to spongebob and the like if I say cartoons (not a bad thing, but a little annoying when I'm watching something with more adult themes than spongebob)

 

[z121231211]

There isn't a problem with calling them that, it's just that I've never heard anyone call them "Japanese Cartoons" unless they're mocking them.

So not calling it anime or Japanese Animation is just a way to show that you don't care about or have no respect for the medium.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

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It's official, you're obsessed.

Oh buggery >.>
I didn't expect that >.>
I really need to buy some more figurines...
But... £20 for a little Rika figurine... I payed about that for my big Rena one at the animé expo...
Dammit, now I'm finding them on ebay >.>
I blame you >.>

 

[luckshotpro]

as far as I'm concerned "cartoon" and "animation" are mostly interchangeable terms, so it doesn't bother me, although I do tend to say anime just for the sake of discerning it from other types of cartoons.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

First of all, backstory: I have a lot of friends who watch anime, some of them get angry at me when I refer Naruto and Bleach as 'cartoons' and say that I do this just because I personally dislike them. I'm told the phrase 'cartoon' is offensive because it "trivialises the depth and complexity of anime". I disagree.

Cartoons have brought us classics such as Rocco's modern life, Spongebob squarepants, Ed Edd 'n' Eddy, Cow and Chicken and many more. If anything I would consider it a compliment to be compared to such a great medium of entertainment.

So I put it to the escapist community, is there anything wrong with calling anime "cartoons"?

EDIT: Fuckin' poll being a ***** atm

I'm with your friends on this. I've yet to see a cartoon with even the depth of the simplest anime, and the word cartoon is indicative of children's entertainment, which anime is not.
Off topic: I hate cartoons.

What the poor japanese kids dont get animated series for themselves? Haha, i call BS on this, of course there is a lot of anime made for kids, and for youngsters and for adults.Just as it is with the Western counterparts. Still, its cartoons.

No.

It's what they are. Cartoons. Anime just means animation. The Japanese call western animation anime too.

The only people it would bother are the weebos.

plus: offensive? seriously? to whom? The animators? The Writers?
Really you folks get "offended" by everything nowadays, the word lost all of its meaning.

 

[mighty_honour_korea]

if you call stuff like Death Note, Darker than Black and Elfen Lied shallow and immature than you sir are a pretentious moron

I don't recall mentioning any one of those. Shouldn't you wait until someone actually mentions the ones you watch before you start slinging mud? Tool.

 

[Chani07]

I don't find it to be wrong or offensive, but i do find it inaccurate. People might just not know what you are referring to.

 

[Tehlanna TPX]

I think the real issue is, since when is Spongebob Squarepants a classic? /vom.

OT: I agree to Cartoon being a genre (or Animated Feature, if you prefer), and Anime being a more description of the type of Cartoon.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Considering I use the term "Japanese styleized cartoons" to describe anime to people who don't know what it is (after smacking them on the head for not knowing, jk), I'd say I don't have a huge problem with the term "cartoons" being used to describe anime.