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ToysforGuns

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Is it still piracy if you buy the game but you install the crack that removes the DRM? I personally do not think so as you have still purchased the game. I know it still counts as copyright, but what do you personally think about this matter?
 

infohippie

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No, you haven't infringed copyright so it's not piracy. If you live in America, it's technically illegal to crack your game thanks to the damn Patriot Act which makes it an offense to bypass or remove any "access control systems" but I certainly think there's nothing morally wrong with it.
 

mekose

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I've had to do this with Ubisoft games before (Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands). I don't know any legalities in the matter but I don't think there is any moral problems. Actually, being forced to do stuff like this just pisses me off and makes me not want to buy any more games from publishers that do this sort of stuff. Especially considering I bought it off steam so I have a proof of purchase and DRM already there.
 

Giest4life

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I don't know if it's piracy or not, but I don't see anything wrong with you cracking a game that you bought. Although people will always bring up the ToS and the EULA agreements.
 

TheIronRuler

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mekose said:
I've had to do this with Ubisoft games before (Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands). I don't know any legalities in the matter but I don't think there is any moral problems. Actually, being forced to do stuff like this just pisses me off and makes me not want to buy any more games from publishers that do this sort of stuff. Especially considering I bought it off steam so I have a proof of purchase and DRM already there.
I hope that GOG expands and increases its library of no-DRM quality games.
 

Superior Mind

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I would hope not. Finding and downloading a crack was the only way I could get into Assassin's Creed 2 after I bought it. Ubisoft's DRM blocked legitimate customers far more effectively than it blocked pirates.
 

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Well you DO violate the contract but they deserve it for being assholes and treating us the paying customers like criminals so I say GO FOR IT!!!
 

Kae

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Well although you violate the EULA they deserve it for being assholes and treating us the paying customers like criminals, so I say go for it those assholes can go fuck themselves for putting it there in the first place.
EDIT: Sorry I apologize for double post but, I refreshed a few times and the post did not appear so I made another comment.
 

Arehexes

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No we bought the game, we shouldn't have to jump through hoops to play it. It's why I have to even check steam for the words 3rd Party DRM.
 

Valiance

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<img src="http://www.frigginrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pirateDVD-vs-paying.jpg" /img>

Love that picture.

Anyway, I don't think it's piracy. Are you pirating the game, or are you downloading a piece of software that someone made and is distributing for free? Perhaps it's an EXE that was reverse-engineered from the game, but since you can't play the "game" without the rest of it, it would be like making a copy of a key for a car, at least in my eyes.

The bottom line is, some of my friends pirate software because they get a superior product, and I sadly can't argue with them. They're like "I would rather just mail 50 bucks to (publisher) and download (game) so I don't have to (use steam/use the disk/sec-u-rom/register online/get an account/install origin/whatever)"
 

lacktheknack

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No. It's cracking, which is an entirely different kettle of fish.

I don't know whether it's legal in Canada or not...
 

bakan

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Giest4life said:
I don't know if it's piracy or not, but I don't see anything wrong with you cracking a game that you bought. Although people will always bring up the ToS and the EULA agreements.
Well, in europe these EULA's are invalid as they are only allowed to be one page on a monitor screen and in general they are several pages and you have to scroll, which makes them invalid, too.

But for the question as you have bought the game you didn't pirate it, the question would be if you are allowed to change the programm code and I guess that you are allowed as it is your property and not just rented stuff like some publishers want to make you believe.


edit: captcha "walk the plank" ...
 

Aidinthel

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It's probably illegal (or at least against the ToS), but I don't see any moral issue and I sincerely hope that no company would be stupid enough to sue you for it.
 

sephthewind

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Piracy? No I don't believe so, not if you paid for it.

Legal? I don't know, I don't see why it shouldn't be. I think that if I buy a game I should be able to modify it however I want.

Violates the ToS? Probably, they don't want you bypassing their DRM after all.

The only reason I'd crack a game is so that I don't have to put the disk in the drive every time I want to play it, reduces wear on the disk and the drive. Which is good since my disk drive seems to be on its last leg, only working some of the time. If it decides to go out on me I wouldn't be able to play games that I own just because they require their disk until I replaced it, even though it doesn't actually do anything for the game except act as a DRM.
 

T_ConX

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lacktheknack said:
I don't know whether it's legal in Canada or not...
Well...

Graham Reynolds said:
TPMs (technological protection measures), sometimes referred to as "digital locks," are technological measures that allow copyright owners to restrict access to and/or use of copyright-protected expression. Bill C-32 makes it an offence to circumvent a TPM which controls access to a work, a performer's performance fixed in a sound recording, or a sound recording. It also makes it an offence to offer or provide services or devices to the public that are "primarily for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure" (provided that certain other criteria are satisfied). Certain narrowly-circumscribed limitations to these offences are built into the bill. It is not an offence, for instance, to circumvent a TPM for the purpose of national security. In many instances, however, an individual could commit an offence by circumventing a TPM to do something that the individual has the right to do under the Copyright Act.
[a href="http://www.themarknews.com/articles/1667-how-balanced-is-bill-c-32"]Source[/a]

As for the [a href="http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4580265&Language=e&Mode=1&File=72#16"]actual law[/a]...

Bill C-32 said:
41.1 (1) No person shall

(a) circumvent a technological protection measure within the meaning of paragraph (a) of the definition ?technological protection measure? in section 41;

(b) offer services to the public or provide services if

(i) the services are offered or provided primarily for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure,

(ii) the uses or purposes of those services are not commercially significant other than when they are offered or provided for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure, or

(iii) the person markets those services as being for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure or acts in concert with another person in order to market those services as being for those purposes; or

(c) manufacture, import, distribute, offer for sale or rental or provide ? including by selling or renting ? any technology, device or component if

(i) the technology, device or component is designed or produced primarily for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure,

(ii) the uses or purposes of the technology, device or component are not commercially significant other than when it is used for the purposes of circumventing a technolog- ical protection measure, or

(iii) the person markets the technology, device or component as being for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure or acts in concert with another person in order to market the technology, device or component as being for those purposes.
Thanks a lot Harper...
 

puffy786

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Well really all you are doing is replacing coding with coding that has less coding. Thats not pirating.
 

enistoja

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I hadn't thought about it until now. I changed a word in a game's code to access the downloadable content that never made it to the PC version of my game.

I don't think it's piracy, after all, if you paid for it, and the content was already there, you bought it as a part of the whole.
 

Strixvaliano

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I do not think it is piracy at all, if anything it is giving the consumer the product they should have been given in the first place. As to the legality of it, other posters have already covered that aspect.