tzimize said:
SinisterGehe said:
What I am wondering is the fact would universe miss out on something if there would be no life anywhere. What I have studied and observed is that universe in all its being and existence is beautiful logical and functioning machine that functions as it should and if nit doesn't it replaces it's old function with a new one.
This is just a question that doesn't really serve any purpose it is here to be wondered. I myself often wonder if our sun would destroy everything living on our solar system would it "matter" to the universe. Or are we the living the universes legacy, that what it was supposed to create, something that it tried to create and succeed, making something amazing and complex by sheer power of mass and energy. I am not wondering here that should I kill out everything living I wonder here does it serve a meaning, a purpose or is it's task only to exist.
I study philosophy, this is what I do every day, sit and think, write it down, explain it to my teacher and to my fellow student and achieve greater understanding of something.
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Your original question has been answered, and answered well. Life is the most important thing there is, and at the same time it doesnt matter at all. Depends on your point of view, and your definition of important.
There is no one correct answer to this, or any other question in philosophy for that matter. Philosophy is not mathematics and thus it is not really possible to achieve a greater understanding of anything in philosophy. Wonder is the main ingredient in philosophy, conclusion is not.
Whenever you feel you have achieved a greater understanding, what has really happened is that your opinion has changed. Philosophy explores the whys, science the hows. There are no definate answers to the whys so greater understanding cannot really be achieved.
Imo.
This is how I see it.
Think your understanding as a bubble, in right between that bubble there is line that is absolute, it divides real world and idea word and in between there is something. Now how I see my understanding has expanded in a way that the bubble has stretched to one direction and grown larger (It no longer looks like a bubble but still think like it would be, a ball of knowledge that grows) I have gained knowledge of something, may it be the real world, idea world or in between. Everyone's bubble is different shaped.
Philosophy has mathematics in it. Philosophy (or philosopher to be exact) means love of wisdom. Philosophy in itself is not an absolute that, it contains different forms of wisdom, logic being one of them and logic is mathematics and mathematics is logic - our understanding what the "math" as a context holds in are absolute values and figures that can be used to describe things.
But I enjoy the way Ludwig Wittgenstein put it "There are no philosophical problems, only problems of language".
Let me make my thoughts a bit more precise. By mathematics I mean for example numbers. If you add two and two, you get four. Always. (unless you live in discworld where you might get five for very large values of two). In this matter, there will be precise and indisputable answers. As long as people agree on what two is, and what addition is (and for this example they do) it will always stay the same. And this is possible to understand. As you learn about a science like that, you can expand your understanding. Before, you didnt understand, then when you learn, you do.
And how can my opinion change if I really have no opinion, In the beginning I made a statement of how I see things, it itself is not an opinion. I can state "I like blue cheese", it is a statement, it is real and perfect in it's way, but it is not an opinion just like; "I like the taste of black hole", I see that I like the taste of black hole's, but I can not say what it tastes like, I can not make opinion about it. If you say "black holes taste awful" and I agree with you, has my opinion change or have I change the an idea in my head, that black holes are no longer tasty. Ideas do not equal opinions, opinions are ideas. (I just love language in this case, how imperfect it is. The way I can say something is but isn't and still hold it as a logical fact.)
I didnt quite understand all of this, but my point is: If something cannot be argued to be correct/precise, for example: The meaning of life is to eat all the cheese you can...it is an opinion. Morality fall into this category as well. For example: You cannot argue it is wrong to take a life, other than the socioeconomic waste I suppose. But from a moral standpoint; there is an idea that it is wrong to take a life. It is also just an opinion and will never be anything else.
Philosophy and morality are very closely knit together. And there are no absolutes or correct/precise answers in any of them. As such, there is really no greater understanding to be found. If one has an epiphany, and ones "worldview" changes/achieves a greater understanding...well...do you see what I am getting at? If there is nothing to be learned one cannot learn anything. :> Ones ideas can change or mature, but there is still no real understanding to be found. Simply opinion.
But still, every single piece of information I gather expands my bubble to some direction in someway, may it be opinions, facts, ideas or even lies, it still expands. Knowledge and wisdom do not require facts in order to exist.
If your "bubble" consists of knowledge, new stuff can and is learned all the time. The name of a new country, a quote from a famous philosopher, the name of a flower...etc. How I interpret language this is not understanding in a philosophical fashion, this is simply knowledge. Which is completely different.
Ofc. We could go on fight about how our perspectives are different and how you see the ideas of these words and the ideas in general different. But how I see it is that I possess a great amount of wisdom and knowledge, just like you, because I do not think you are that stupid of a person being able to challenge my words like that, but I hope that you can see things from my perspective, even for a second, for a moment take a look inside my world, my bubble and use it to expand yours.
This last bit seemed like a bit of mumbo-jumbo, no offense. To respond...I'd say...language indeed is a fascinating creature, and that the first step on the road to understanding is definition of language. And by understanding, I in this sense mean communication, not a philosophical understanding.
