Poll: Is Not Dating a Certain Race Racist?

[Easton Dark]

YOUR definition: "the belief that some races of people are better than others"

"I find white women more attractive than black women"

More attractive = better, there is no way around that. You can find black women equal in every other way, but saying they are, as a whole and not individually, less attractive than another race's women, that's racist.

Give names. Individualize it. Then it wouldn't be racist. BLANKET STATEMENTS ARE GENERALLY AN -ism. This blanket statement concerns race. Race + ism

They're not saying that "X is better"

They are saying "X is better to me". That's what a preference is. "White is better to me" is a racist preference. "Apples are the best fruit to me" is fruitist, so on and so forth.

"I prefer Y and you aren't Y"

...Would you ever tell someone that, that you won't date someone because "I prefer white and they aren't white", and if not, is it because it sounds racist?

I don't like Twizzlers, but that doesn't mean it's an "inferior" candy in my mind. It's just not something I find tasty.

Dude, I like Skittles and I find every other type of candy inferior. Skittles are the master-race of candy to me. I will always choose skittles over other things if given the option, as you would probably do the opposite with twizzlers, and avoid them if possible.

I don't like racing games. I don't play them. That makes me "race-ist", get it?

Does anyone care if I like skittles and hate racing games as long as I don't try to replace all candy with skittles or ban racing games from being made? No, and if they do, fuck them.

It's not that I don't get what you're saying, and some of your objections are fair enough, but you're clearly twisting the meaning of the word into something it's not.

If this was a conversation, I'd be laughing in anger right now. You know that kind of nervous anger where it's like "I can't believe this". The definition is there. I've explained the second definition. This topic is about race discrimination, the third definition. Both fit perfectly and I'm disappointed with what I've read from most people in here.

 

[TallanKhan]

I guess it comes down to why.

Fundamentally no, if someone just isn't attracted to people of a particular race then no, it's not racist at all. However, if someone refused to date someone of a particular race *because* of their race, regardless of whether they were attracted to them, then yes, I would say that is racist.

 

[Xangba]

Does this guy actually dislike blacks?

Yes.

Has he mocked, picked on, or done offensive things to anyone of color because he doesn't like their color?

Yes.

I don't know, and neither do these people slamming him.

Yes they do. He equated sleeping with a black girl to beastiality, said mixed raced relationships were "filthy", said black people looked like "apes and monkeys" and said the white race was plainly superior because "they weren't picking cotton in a field for 400 years".

People need to cut this out and actually check to see if there is real racism in situations like this.

Yes, I agree. People should indeed check out if there is real racism in situations like this before leaping to conclusions. And OP *once again* this is why cutting half the context out of your OP is problematic and distorts the discussion.

Alright thanks for clearing that up. Yeah that kind of information should be in the main post. I was going off of the information I had. So for this guy, yeah it's racist as hell and he's a douchebag.

 

[Alarien]

Giving that many here have stated that simply cause one doesn't like a certain race cause it isn't their preference; would that mean I have a strong hate for Pepsi cause I just don't like the taste?

Here is how I think it can be broken down:

"I don't date _______, cause I just don't find them attractive." = Not Racist.

"I don't date _______, cause I think they are inferior to me or my race." = Racist.

I grew up in Texas and I'm a white guy that prefers black women. Just how I always been. I have dated others and given all my experiences, I chose black women as I'm always happy with the outcome. Plus a ex of mine that was white stabbed me in the back literally and stole money from me. Besides why look at the negative side to this and look at the positive that someone loves someone else.

I don't think that enough people do this, so I am. Good comment.

Whiskey7, I think you echo a lot of my comments, from the opposite end. I'm white and I kinda wish I was attracted to more than just white/hispanic women. Of course, from my posts... I am not

Your post is solid and correct. Good commentary.

 

[runic knight]

....nothing? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Which is to say, you didn't think.

The point, again, is that when people say "they just don't feel attracted to X race", what they're really saying is "I have no other way of not sounding racist when I say that I think X race is repugnant to me".

Bull.

I don't feel attracted to men, that does not mean I find them repugnant. I do not feel attraction to largely over or underweight women, that does not mean I find them repugnant. Attraction does have a very inherent nature to it (hell, that old adage "you can't help who you love" sort of is based in the idea). At a base level, if attributes of a person are something that have no attraction to, then that is not racism.
What you try to claim here seems to be presuming the motive of the person simply because it is easier to attack that way.

Someone brought up the point that African-Americans have almost uniformly black hair. It is a trait of their race. If someone does not feel attraction to that trait, and if that trait is important enough to affect attraction over all, one could say that they are not attracted to black people in a way that is not racist (as it is not because of their race, rather, because of a trait their race just happens to have predominantly).
Racism requires a bias or discrimination on the basis of race because of the race itself. This example would be a discrimination on the basis of hair color, not race. But that is again just an explanation of a counter example.

 

[Negatempest]

Racist, a little. Highly prejudice to just not like black women? Very much so.

EDIT: And apparently those that said no have no idea what racist or prejudice is. If you put one race below or above your own for no reason other than they are different, than that is being racist. But, that is no reason to hate the man for his choices. Dislike him, sure but not hate.

 

[runic knight]

Someone brought up the point that African-Americans have almost uniformly black hair. It is a trait of their race. If someone does not feel attraction to that trait, and if that trait is important enough to affect attraction over all, one could say that they are not attracted to black people in a way that is not racist (as it is not because of their race, rather, because of a trait their race just happens to have predominantly).

Of course, they would then have to say that they are not attracted to Asians, or Native Americans. It's so difficult to assign specific traits uniformly to an entire race, then turn around and say, "Therefore, I dislike (aesthetically) this race", that doing so will give the appearance of racism, intended or not. Easier to simply say "I dislike these traits" and leave it at that.

Oh I do agree there, don't get me wrong, I merely disliked the idea that he presented that people saying they weren't attracted to a race instantly was a replacement for something far more sinister or egotistical.
You are right though, would save a lot of hassle to just say "I don't feel attracted to this trait" then anything else.
Though, what if said trait is skin color? Obviously with the visual nature we use to mark races in the first place, that would be a bit of a hard way to present it as it is. At that point, saying "I don't feel attracted to this race" would probably have the same reaction from people as "I don't feel attracted to this skin color."

 

[carnex]

It's not a choice made based on race. That race just happens to have physical features he(hypothetical dude) finds displeasing.

I'm going to leave this quote here, so you can read it as many times as you like, until you find the logical phallacy hidden in it.
Hint: it's between "it's not a choice based on race" and "that race has displeasing physical features".

If you remove a conditional, the context of words tend to change.

"Happen to have" As in, race was not considered.

Dude, you said it's not a "race thing", but it's a "physical feature associated with race thing", which makes it a race thing.

Not if said physical feature exists independent of said race.

Dude, you just said "That race just happens to have physical features he(hypothetical dude) finds displeasing".

This is getting really dumb. Look, many equality advocates would not get in relationships with many of the races. They don't find them attractive. Period. You can like person without wanting to stick your weiner in one.

To be racist or hold racistic believes you have to hold certain race/races in contempt and actually think of them in different term than other race/races. Not being attracted to certain race is not any of that.

That is like saying that, just becouse you are a dog person, you are racist agant the cats.

 

[VanTesla]

Only if you... refuse to date, say a Chinese woman, who has beautiful looks, is a very nice person, in short someone you do feel attracted to (whatever that might mean to you) but you refuse to date her solely because she is Chinese. That is racism.

Keeping with the example... It is not racism if you don't feel attracted to Chinese women because, for instance, the general Chinese "looks" are not in conformity with your concept of beauty (and in this case we're obviously assuming, as an example, that beauty would be a major factor, but it could be anything else). The difference being, if it was a white girl with facial features you didn't like, you ALSO would not date.

It is not racist to me as long as the person does not believe the other to be inferior or harbor hate towards another race/ethnic group. If the reason of not wanting to date a person based on looks then you are the same as 99% of the human population in that we all have our preferences and some are more narrow or wider than others. I am not attracted to people of heavier weight, same sex, and certain physical characteristics, but I don't have any negative thoughts or think I am better than anyone that falls into those categories and they all should have the same rights to love anyone they want. We are all the same race as in the human race. We all have the right to choose what and who we like, but if you have any malice or negative perspectives that go beyond anything more than prefering one look over the other to the point that you can't even stand to be in the same room with a type of person, then maybe you should try to get someone to help you learn.

 

[LetalisK]

YOUR definition: "the belief that some races of people are better than others"

"I find white women more attractive than black women"

More attractive = better, there is no way around that.

If a person is shallow and bases other's value as a person on their looks, yeah, I guess.

 

[thenoblitt]

i do not find women that are black attractive, i just dont, that does not make me racist though

 

[Easton Dark]

YOUR definition: "the belief that some races of people are better than others"

"I find white women more attractive than black women"

More attractive = better, there is no way around that.

If a person is shallow and bases other's value as a person on their looks, yeah, I guess.

That's what the whole thread is about, so thanks for confirming it again I guess.

You know, that's not fair to be so rude to you. I talked about shallowness before actually, and this topic is incredibly shallow, but that's what the thread's about, so looks are as far as the argument can go.

edit: What the heck's with the Spike Spiegel brigade above me

 

[Shadowstar38]

But neither do I care if someone gets hurt feelings because their "no blacks" policy comes across a little bit racist in casual conversation.

Agreed. Race should just be banned as a conversation topic in general.

 

[AperioContra]

Racism and race relations is sort of a complex subject, and judging a person based on their personal preference in tongue licking partners is usually fairly narrow-minded. For instance, plenty of people prefer skoodilipooping with their own race, not as a judgment of other races, but as a personal preference. I don't understand it, myself, I've been rejected by women of ever race, color, and creed, but that doesn't make it wrong.

On the otherhand, the fact that he felt the need to specifically mention this, and specifically mention one race out of the others is eyebrow raising. For instance, if I wanted an artist to collaborate with me on a project, and I make a specific point to mention "Gays need not apply," It would be fair to assume that I am a homophobe. The fact that I am signling gay people at the exclusion of any other persons is disconcerting.

I guess what I'm saying is that one's choice in face-licking partners is not really a fair issue to judge their opinions on race, but under these circumstances (especially since they were right) I'm gonna side with the feminists.

Plus that site just sounds kind of douchey.

DFTBA

 

[Billy D Williams]

To be honest I am not really that attracted to black and latino women as most other races. Its not me being racist against them or anything, I just don't really feel that attracted to them. GRANTED! That isn't all black and latino women (I cite Naomie Harris as one of the most sexy Bond Girls ever to defend myself) but they usually don't tend to do as much more me. Nothing more to it than that.

So assuming its just because of sexual attraction than sure, its not racist. But once you get racial prejudice than ya, your a racist douche.