Poll: Is Resident Evil 5 Racist?
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Yes; this is not an interesting point.Mizaki said:
Mainly, it's not interesting because you're not responding to any of the arguments about racism being made here; you're simply assuming that there is no racism in RE5 and then proceeding to provide a facile, psychologistic rationale for why people talk about racism in general.
This adds nothing to the conversation.
No one is making this argument.Mizaki said:
You're like one of those people who argue against the death penalty by yelping, "executing the criminal won't bring back the victim!"
No one has ever made such a claim. No one has ever argued that executing a murderer will bring his victims back to life, just as no one here has argued that simply putting black Africans in the role of enemies is racist.
I don't know what else to say. You're not having the conversation you think you're having, but, if you haven't figured this out yet, it's unlikely that pointing it out to you--even in the clearest possible terms--will make any difference.
Good luck!
As I said earlier discussing this topic requires that one have a grasp of American history (In particular.) before one starts speaking. There is a long history of portraying black people in America as exceptionally violent. One police department (Want to say it was Chicago.) even asked for higher caliber bullets (&uring the earlier part of the 20th century.) because "Negros" on Cocaine (These were dock workers who chewed the Coca leaf as it aided their work performance. This is also largely before we had the concept of illegal drugs in the US.) gained what could only be described as a superhuman ability to take bullets before dying.Bulletinmybrain said:
There are a whole host of reasons people might consider this game racist the least of which is the setting. Really the footage from the game reminds some people of very negative stereotypes sorrounding black people. Think of it this way do you think it abnormal for someone who is of Arab descent to be at least a tad annoyed at the fact that (Save for Prince of Persia (Do not ever call a modern day Iranian an Arab, they will possibly eat you.) ) virtually every time they appear in movies or games they are the terrorist?
Are you saying wartorn africa should look like Washington D.C?(The look of the game suggests that it is not happy go sunshine 9000.)shadow skill said:
2.) Should we treat black people different because they were made to be americas ***** for quite a long time?
3.) Everybody in a shooter are violent.
4.) If somebody started grabbing me, and attempting to bite me I would be pretty pissed off.
No I'm saying be mindful. Read what I said again because it's pretty obvious it's gone over your head.Bulletinmybrain said:
Again with the belittling. You know, on every single forum I go to I always see the "you sound like (insert other type of person who is disagreeable to the poster)" mentality. It doesn't work on me at this point because this whole back and forth thing is a clone of many other ones. So anyway, although what I say may seem to have nothing to do with this.. maybe, just maybe, if you use your eyes juuuust a little more (It isn't hard!), you'll see how it ties into this issue. Sure, you can repeat "nobody is saying that" all you want, but the root of this thread is the issues I named above. Now, I will kindly request you scroll back up and read the entirety of my post, and leave your personal taste and/or emotional bias under your bed whilst doing so.Ray Huling said:
Calling RE5 is just an attempt to give video games a bad reputation. Same with all the rants about games being too violent. Next they'll be crying because video games are too fun. As long as things exist people will whine one way or another.
Hopefully linking to the right posts here...Bulletinmybrain said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.78737?page=6#997643
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.78737?page=6#997676
EDIT: Yeah, seems to be working...
I was somewhat hoping to be contributing to progress in some direction... Oh, well. Here goes:Mizaki said:
Obviously there a great number of people who make a "career" (if you want to call it that) out of nothing but largely made up allegations of racism against all and sundry. That does nothing to help the actual problem, and only serves antagonise as well as lowering the level of public discourse and confounding the issue with various half-truths in order to further personal agendas.
However, racism does still exist. We are very, very far from eradicating it. In my opinion, the primary factor behind the spread of racism is misinformation, mythology and ignorance. If one considers these to be the primary factors, it follows rather naturally that the best way to counter it is with truth. Even if that truth is uncomfortable for both sides of the debate.
EDIT: To clarify a bit, even a racial minority may have an interest in perpetuating certain racial myths which work to their advantage. That is not acceptable, either.
What is needed is then not less talk, but more talk. Above all, more educated talk. Mythology can only exist in the absence of fact and understanding, and imposing silence in order to quell controversy will only serve to obfuscate the issue and further the spread of myths in the place of truth.
To suggest that we should just hold our noses and hope for the stink of racism to go away, as you appear to be doing (correct me if I'm wrong here) to me appears an irresponsible idea. Picking at a wound will obviously prevent healing, but some wounds won't heal on their own; they require direct, active treatment or they will remain and fester. Racism, I think, is such a wound.
^ What you said is something I unfortunately forgot to add. I agree with you fully. Thank you, actually. Because, continuing the analogy I said... they will never actually just take the object out of the water and even attempt to get rid of it.. they just keep looking at it and complaining.
I'm pretty certain that there are games out there that have more things morally wrong with them (and should recieve our full and undiverted attention) than Resi 5.
How about Dead or Alive? A very sexist game that suggests that a woman is only worthwhile if she is attractive, posesses large breasts and has a mastery of at least one martial art (with revealing clothing and a knack for volly ball being bonuses).
What about Manhunt? Murder simulator, aye?
Let's not forget those pornographic games that come out of Japan that have contents that aren't mentionable in polite conversation...the shame of it!
How about Dead or Alive? A very sexist game that suggests that a woman is only worthwhile if she is attractive, posesses large breasts and has a mastery of at least one martial art (with revealing clothing and a knack for volly ball being bonuses).
What about Manhunt? Murder simulator, aye?
Let's not forget those pornographic games that come out of Japan that have contents that aren't mentionable in polite conversation...the shame of it!
Well it would be kinda stupid to have resi 4 set in spain/mexico and not have the people who live there in it
and i think it is utterly retarded now that its set in Africa/ somewhere over there and people are saying its racist to have black zombies as the majority
its just... ridiculous
and i think it is utterly retarded now that its set in Africa/ somewhere over there and people are saying its racist to have black zombies as the majority
its just... ridiculous
They're not saying it's racist because of that. Some people, who probably have never played any of the Resident Evil games, saw a trailer for Resident Evil 5 that showed a physically perfect white man going to an African city and being attacked by hordes of emaciated, barbarous, sub-human black people. Do you see why they might have concerns yet?Killcushley said:
No. Because, surely, to make a constructive argument, you should have a full picture of what you are talking about. If you don't know the context of RE5 or what it is, then you have no right to hoot about it to all and sundry. These are the people perpetuating racism, honking on the internet about how a black man was shown in a light THEY perceive to be wrong, not trivial crap like RE5. I know Africa is not a nice place to live for many, but I refuse to acknowledge setting a game there is racist, or even insensitive, in the slightest.Axolotl said:
