Poll: Is stealing the other team's vehicles in competitive multiplayer cheap/unfair?

[The White Hunter]

If the other team is so god damn inept that they've given you the opportunity to steal their Viper/Havoc/AA/Tank, you're damn right it's fair game.

Hell, in BC2 I remember stealing a T90 on Port Valdez, getting a friend to jump in the gunner's seat and between us managing to get enough kills to equal their team's entire ticket count on the last set of MCOMs.
Like I said, if they're bad enough to let that opportunity arise, exploit it to all hell.

BC2 has great vehicle stealing memories for me on Rush.

My friend and I were on the attacking team and obtained our own teams helicopter, where I took upon myself the role of gunner, upon sight of an unmanned enemy Havoc I proceeded to parachute down, steal it, take to the skies.

Oh how we rained glorious glorious death. First objectives too and I got shot up and bailed on the last objective, landed at it, cleared it, armed it, won.

Glorious things come from vehicle theft.

Captcha: thinking cap

Exactly Captcha.

 

[The White Hunter]

I disagree with and don't steal vehicles from the enemy teams uncap in BF but for the most part I will let it slide if someone steals vehicles from my uncap, as long as they don't attack, I DESPISE spawn killers. If they touch the air vehicles however, they are in for a world of pain because I will hunt them down. repeatedly.

No one. Touches. My. Jet.

However, the jets and chopper at Charlie on Wake Island are fair game. That point CAN be captured (and really should be, take that and the Russians are divided).

On an unrelated note, I hate the mobile AA in BF3. So many good dogfights ruined by those.

I just hate Wake Island in BF3. Awful map imo with very poor vehicle distribution amongst teams. The AA tank is great on another map though, can't recall the name but the enemy gets a few light helos and think they can dominate, forgetting the AA tank awaits them.

I don't mind vehicle steals, I agree with spawn killers, I fucking hate spawning and being shot in the back by an Abrams nobody saw fit to use ¬_¬

 

[Vivi22]

TL;DR: Basically, I believe that if the other team allows you to steal their vehicle than you deserve it because you gained it through exploiting their mistakes or lack of defences. What do you think?

Unless you're a whiny 10 year old kid who complains that something is unfair whenever they don't like it or can't deal with it then I honestly don't see there even being a question here. People tend to have some screwed up views of what fair play is that have absolutely no business being in a competitive arena.

Mind you, I have no issue with those people starting their own server and making up whatever rules they want. I just probably won't play with them.

 

[miketehmage]

It isn't cheap or cheating. It's really goddamn hard to steal any decent vehicle in battlefield most of the time. Most teams aren't dumb enough to let the enemy steal their jets or attack helicopters. And god does it feel rewarding if you actually pull it off.

I especially don't see the issue with it now, in BF3 which I think is very balanced, pretty much anything can be taken down by smart infantry.

Back in BF2 though if you stole the dominant vehicle most of the time the enemy team were fucked.

As for servers having rules against it? Meh, it is their server so their rules. I can see why some people wouldn't like it.

 

[s0p0g]

well, it's competetive mp, right?
i wouldn't say that it's anything like cheating, not even unfair (i mean, they have to do some work to get our tanks out of our base, right? while we obviously didn't protect/use them)
BUT it sure is annoying - mostly because getting your vehicles stolen means your team is - in this constellation - inferior anyway, and you prpbably get your ass whupped all the time; no team play whatsoever, everyone wants this one chopper and if they don't get it they'll stand there and wait for its respawn, all the "no i don't wanna use teh tank bc i iz uber-snip0r" kids, etc pp

if it happens too often: switch servers, hope to get into a more balanced game


i still understand that some servers have a rule against stealing vehicles; kind of enforcing a balance of power; i'm ok with that

just be fair & play by the rules and try not to act like the biggest dickheads on the net; that should make for a nice match

 

[Snafu]

i find it one of the most enjoyable aspects of multiplayer, its usually a suicide mission in most games and thats what makes it so rewarding to get a tank or whatever back to safeish territory although i never keep it out of the fight as that is just irritating when it happens to you, i even enjoy defending against this happening, one of the rare times a team unites is when they see someone casually stroll off with their only tank.

 

[snappydog]

Any option that is available to both teams equally is not cheating, as far as I'm concerned. If one team gives the other the opening, then they have not played the game as well as the other but began with no advantage or disadvantage.

 

[luckshot]

if they didnt want them used against them they should have used them or guarded them

thats my opinion

 

[ReadyAmyFire]

I basically agree with the majority here. There's a precedent:

Spoiler

 

[Snafu]

This brings back fond memories of multi-player in The Original Halo. I would sneak in to the other teams base, steal their banshee and my friend would take ours. Together we would tear up the skies

That was brutal. I ended up becoming somewhat of an anti-banshee specialist because of those situations, even getting some sniper kills, but my personal favourite was a freak double banshee kill on blood gulch with one plasma grenade, ahh good times, two birds and one stone

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I disagree with and don't steal vehicles from the enemy teams uncap in BF but for the most part I will let it slide if someone steals vehicles from my uncap, as long as they don't attack, I DESPISE spawn killers. If they touch the air vehicles however, they are in for a world of pain because I will hunt them down. repeatedly.

No one. Touches. My. Jet.

However, the jets and chopper at Charlie on Wake Island are fair game. That point CAN be captured (and really should be, take that and the Russians are divided).

On an unrelated note, I hate the mobile AA in BF3. So many good dogfights ruined by those.

I just hate Wake Island in BF3. Awful map imo with very poor vehicle distribution amongst teams. The AA tank is great on another map though, can't recall the name but the enemy gets a few light helos and think they can dominate, forgetting the AA tank awaits them.

I don't mind vehicle steals, I agree with spawn killers, I fucking hate spawning and being shot in the back by an Abrams nobody saw fit to use ¬_¬

I don't hate it in BF3, but Wake was certainly better in other games. 1942 and BF2 it was good, but never played 2142

 

[TheTim]

I steal the enemy team's tanks all the time in BF3, Sometimes while the other team is even in control of them. I think its fine

 

[Odbarc]

Is letting your enemy take your resources unskilled?

 

[Xan Krieger]

If you leave your vehicles unguarded then you'll learn from your mistake when you're staring down the barrel of a tank you could've been using. It's poor planning on the other team's part and sometimes the only way to learn is to take a high velocity armor piercing projectile to the mouth.

 

[WanderingFool]

TL;DR: Basically, I believe that if the other team allows you to steal their vehicle than you deserve it because you gained it through exploiting their mistakes or lack of defences. What do you think?

This is why I only play official servers.

Anyways, OT, if the vehicle isnt locked against the other team (i.e. if its the red team's tank, and you can get in it while you are the blue team) than its not cheating. If its in the game, its most likely not cheating. It can be unfair, yes, but thats subjective.

Really, if they leave a vehicle thats still useable in the middle of the battlefield, its their own stupid fault for what happens. If they lose a vehicle at spawn, its doubly so.

 

[Overusedname]

On a grander scale, it's like picking up the ammo a killed enemy drops.

I would say it's fair, and typically balanced in a way. If the vehicle is REALLY powerful, it'll probably make for a really quick game and that to me is poor game design, but it's not unfair in most cases. If there's still a good way for the other team to band together and counter it, it's fine.

You earned it.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

I had a rather "unfair" situation during a conquest match on seine crossing which had us spawn on the riverside of the map and while one rather stupid player got in the tank alone and drove across the bridge, then getting a barrage of rockets from around 4 engineers and then abandoning the tank with our enemy arriving with theirs and taking ours.

We were camped for the entire match with both tanks guarding each bridge and walkways around the river and no rocket,c4 or mortar could save us from getting shelled and killed wherever we spawned.

Also I dislike a player having only the mindset of I must steal the enemies helicopters and tanks rather than actually going out there and getting some kills and Iv'e never once thought of having the need to steal the enemies helicopters and tanks as I can do fine with or without my own.

If you ever get camped by an entire team it's not "tough luck" it's "unfair sportsmanship" and then it becomes unfair if you are unable to do anything against them.

Then again it's tactics and rented server rules along with some equipment not working right that has forced me to put down BF3 forever and take up replaying Red Dead Redemption and it's multiplayer as well as Saints Row 3.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I've noticed that there are some people who believe that anything besides a perfectly-even, 1-on-1 battle is unfair, that using things such as advantageous terrain, the element of surprise or even a weapon more suited to the encounter than the opponent's is "cheap".

I call these people "easy kills".

If you don't want the enemy stealing and using your vehicles, then either use them yourself or guard them properly. Or do the same to them.

 

[Guffe]

Hell no!
As you said, they don't want it and you take the risk to steal it. You get it and it's yours.
I mean case in point BF is supposed to be somewhat "realistic" shooter, well you don't see people moaning in real war about cheating if someone steals your vehicle. If you fight 8 on 8 first to 50 in war game... There's only one rule. = Any means neccessary!

 

[Rumpsteak]

No, if you can get the other teams vehicles then do it. However, if they're paying for the server they can impose any and all rules they wish. I'll be in favour of their right to ban all ranged weapons in an fps game if they're paying for the server.