Poll: is the BP oil spill in america equivilent to chernobyl?
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No with enough work and effort I think we will get a handle on the oil spill. It may take years, but I am confident that people and nature will rebound from it within our lifetimes no problem.
Now the area around Chernobyl, even though people can go and walk around in the town and within a certain distance of the still deadly reactor, it's only for a small amount of time. And the actual reactor itself, well.... it's pretty much fucked forever as far as we are concerned. People that actually go into the reactor to clean and pour concrete to entomb it can only go in once a month for 15 minutes because the radiation is still elevated. Not only that but it's still unstable. There is this saying "The next Cheyrnobyl will be Chernobyl itself."
Now the area around Chernobyl, even though people can go and walk around in the town and within a certain distance of the still deadly reactor, it's only for a small amount of time. And the actual reactor itself, well.... it's pretty much fucked forever as far as we are concerned. People that actually go into the reactor to clean and pour concrete to entomb it can only go in once a month for 15 minutes because the radiation is still elevated. Not only that but it's still unstable. There is this saying "The next Cheyrnobyl will be Chernobyl itself."
Interesting thought.
However, Cherenobyl ruined the land, animals, and people around the site directly. The oil spill will only harm humans by proxy, through the fish. Plus, the oil can be cleaned up and is easily distinguishable from water, while radiation is only detectable by Geiger counter and cannot be cleaned directly, only time can help.
However, Cherenobyl ruined the land, animals, and people around the site directly. The oil spill will only harm humans by proxy, through the fish. Plus, the oil can be cleaned up and is easily distinguishable from water, while radiation is only detectable by Geiger counter and cannot be cleaned directly, only time can help.
As far as some company overlooking basic safety precautions and simple measures to prevent disaster: Yes.
But the oil is nowhere near as bad a Chernobyl. Oil is technically natural and the sun will eventually dry up what people don't gather. Radiation tends to stick around for a bit.
But the oil is nowhere near as bad a Chernobyl. Oil is technically natural and the sun will eventually dry up what people don't gather. Radiation tends to stick around for a bit.
No, we're still going to drill for oil after this and folks who say we aren't can basically open their wallets to the Saudi monarchy. For the near future, drilling offshore will be the norm.
No the same ballpark not even the same state.mrpenguinismyhomeboy said:
They had a accident.
Chernobyl was stupidity of turning off fail safes.
If it fails it safely shuts off. Well let's have a drill one failed.
We have three fail safes... Even better a drill where all three fail.
Unlikely but great training... ok what should we do. Disable the fail safes...can't we just pretend maybe put up a cardboard sigh saying fail and run a drill like it's happening?
Oh no...we need to really shut off the three fail safes. What could go wrong!
BP drills a lot of wells, this is the first major leak in a long time. But bound to happen, go so long...get to complacant...then bang. Love how people act like they have done this 80 times in a week. Yeah it's a problem....but hey...underwater earth quakes crack oil domes and send oil into the ocean as well....nature sorts it out.
We make a bigger deal cause someone with deep pockets might pay us. Cause that's more important than stopping and cleaning up the mess to the people I know and observe.
No. No no no. Are you actually aware of the difference in long term effects between an oil spill and a nuclear disaster?
You may want to read up on the zone of alienation and the abandoned city of Prypiat. That's just to start with.
You may want to read up on the zone of alienation and the abandoned city of Prypiat. That's just to start with.
Chernobyl was much worse and it also gave good video game ideas. I can't wait for S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Gulf of Mexico!
... the ocean sorts itself out much more quickly than irradiated land.
There are abandoned buildings all over the effected chernobyl areas; they're really creepy.
Sure it killed a bunch of life and will have huge effects on teh coastal economy, oil production, foreign and domestic policies of every country involved, and a lot of shit is hitting the fan against corporations(on top of what was already going on) but I don't think they are that similar. They're unique disasters and to lump them together is flawed because of hteir massive differences. You can't just draw a line and say that chernobyl is to nuclear power as the gulf oil spill is to off shore drilling.
There are abandoned buildings all over the effected chernobyl areas; they're really creepy.
Sure it killed a bunch of life and will have huge effects on teh coastal economy, oil production, foreign and domestic policies of every country involved, and a lot of shit is hitting the fan against corporations(on top of what was already going on) but I don't think they are that similar. They're unique disasters and to lump them together is flawed because of hteir massive differences. You can't just draw a line and say that chernobyl is to nuclear power as the gulf oil spill is to off shore drilling.
The Caesium levels maybe though.Dormin111 said:
Equally not common knowledge. Know about the rubbish island the size of Texas in the Atlantic? No...
And you know this BEFORE it's fixed? Wasn't AIDS, H1N1 etc. deigned to kill off most of the planet? Oh, but wait, we're only interested in HUMAN casualties, are we? Then, according to the WHO, that ranks as only 50 directly. Plant life is already growing within the worst hit zone (Pripyat), despite being radioactive.
Why don't we wait until BP let us have their figures on the damage? The Deepwater oil spill has already claimed 11 human lives and injured 115 more. Now 125 MILES of ruined coastline may not mean much to you and me, but that's a number of human livelihoods gone, hundreds of animals dead, $940 million lost, $62.7 billion in market capitalisation, $2.5 billion to the fishing industry and $3 billion to the Floria tourism. AND BP are suffering criminal charges brought about by the US Government; something that the Chernobyl survivors weren't.
And that's just so far.
Like I say, let's see what the final tolls are before we start declaring a "winner".
Both horrible events that could have easily been prevented and have people to blame for them.
But comparing the two comes down to the long term effects as well- and we have yet to see those in the case of the BP/Transocean spill. In time I think we could accurately gauge the two
But comparing the two comes down to the long term effects as well- and we have yet to see those in the case of the BP/Transocean spill. In time I think we could accurately gauge the two
Its pretty hard to compare them.
Chernobyl was a disaster that affected a much smaller area than this oil spill will. Its yet hard to say what the full impact of the spill will be but it is likely to be more focused on the animal life rather than a danger to humans.
I guess it just matters which you care about more, humans or the environment.
Chernobyl was a disaster that affected a much smaller area than this oil spill will. Its yet hard to say what the full impact of the spill will be but it is likely to be more focused on the animal life rather than a danger to humans.
I guess it just matters which you care about more, humans or the environment.