Thats what i hope is happening..only three people so far have admitted to thatGlademaster said:
Poll: Is The "PC Elitist" As Common As The Escapist Would Like To Think?
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You're going to have to define lesser gamer. Paying for two computer systems(because everyone is going to have a computer for email/internet anyways and yes a console is a type of computer) instead of just buying a singular good PC that can run the top games for years because they are developed for the lowest common denominator graphics(console graphics) is stupid and a waste of money. But it does not really have any forbearance on their importance as gamers. What it does show is a lack of economic foresight, understanding in technology or a huge desire for their gaming system to be more easily portable(the only place where consoles are really better.)
Here is a bigger secret though. I know fuck-all about hardware. Computers are hugely easy to assemble; you literally just drop parts in, screw things in and then plug everything into the Power supply, and the disk into the motherboard(the big piece at the bottom/back of the computer. Anyone could figure it out how to do it in like an hour at most and then set up the computer in maybe 2-3 hours depending on how fast you work. The bulk of that time is actually spent doing stuff like installing windows and installing drivers. If you're really nervous about trying it just have a friend help you out and offer them free dinner. When I made my first PC I got my father to help me, I was like 14 at the time though so it likely wouldn't be nearly as hard for someone who is about 18-20 to just assemble their own PC without help.
As for finding which parts to buy, that's also not hard, just google shit. "GPU benchmarks" or "processor benchmarks" and then select the best one for the best money. Tom's hardware will basically tell you exactly what you should get.
Developing for a PC requires a net cost of nothing. Developing for a console requires to to buy licensing to develop for that platform. So if companies develop exclusively for the PC it means that they have more money to make better games faster meaning game quality goes up.
They have access to better hardware which means they can either make games more graphically intense, or they can spend less time working on graphics and make their games better without sacrificing graphics.
There is something called consolitis which is when a game is stunted by development for consoles. It encompass a lot of things actually, but its essentially gameplay/design choices that are bad but are required for consoles. Such as poor sensitivity rates, FoV, ect. For example, Skyrim had a heavy case of this: the UI was incredibly watered down, by which I don't mean that I demand an overly complex one, I just want one that I can actually fucking navigate quickly because I have a mouse and don't need to pretend I'm playing with a console controller. Then there's the non equivalent sensitivity rates for horizontal versus vertical movement. The locking out my computer from using extra resources for rendering, and so forth.
Here's a couple secrets, I bought a computer for about 650-700$ about 4 years ago which has lasted me up until the very most recent batch of games skyrim/rage/deusex:HR. I did have my motherboard crap out once and replaced it for like 30$ on ebay. I don't really think that that is an overly expensive price to pay, if you calculate it out, its about 14$ a month. Assuming you already have a computer that costs like 300$ as I'm pretty sure everyone has one unless they/you really are too poor to afford a computer, in which case you're probably too poor for console games as well. So its only a little bit more to simply buy a good PC instead of a bad one and a console system. At which point you get games for cheaper, because they cost more on consoles.enzilewulf said:
Here is a bigger secret though. I know fuck-all about hardware. Computers are hugely easy to assemble; you literally just drop parts in, screw things in and then plug everything into the Power supply, and the disk into the motherboard(the big piece at the bottom/back of the computer. Anyone could figure it out how to do it in like an hour at most and then set up the computer in maybe 2-3 hours depending on how fast you work. The bulk of that time is actually spent doing stuff like installing windows and installing drivers. If you're really nervous about trying it just have a friend help you out and offer them free dinner. When I made my first PC I got my father to help me, I was like 14 at the time though so it likely wouldn't be nearly as hard for someone who is about 18-20 to just assemble their own PC without help.
As for finding which parts to buy, that's also not hard, just google shit. "GPU benchmarks" or "processor benchmarks" and then select the best one for the best money. Tom's hardware will basically tell you exactly what you should get.
It's actually a lot more important than you think it is for a great many reasons.enzilewulf said:
Developing for a PC requires a net cost of nothing. Developing for a console requires to to buy licensing to develop for that platform. So if companies develop exclusively for the PC it means that they have more money to make better games faster meaning game quality goes up.
They have access to better hardware which means they can either make games more graphically intense, or they can spend less time working on graphics and make their games better without sacrificing graphics.
There is something called consolitis which is when a game is stunted by development for consoles. It encompass a lot of things actually, but its essentially gameplay/design choices that are bad but are required for consoles. Such as poor sensitivity rates, FoV, ect. For example, Skyrim had a heavy case of this: the UI was incredibly watered down, by which I don't mean that I demand an overly complex one, I just want one that I can actually fucking navigate quickly because I have a mouse and don't need to pretend I'm playing with a console controller. Then there's the non equivalent sensitivity rates for horizontal versus vertical movement. The locking out my computer from using extra resources for rendering, and so forth.
I'm certainly no elitist. My only thoughts on console gaming are that people who buy certain games like Skyrim are missing out on all the interesting mods.
*I do also use consoles for gaming, but I am mostly a PC Gamer. Using a console is the exception for me now. It didn't used to be that way, but as I got older I migrated here.
*I do also use consoles for gaming, but I am mostly a PC Gamer. Using a console is the exception for me now. It didn't used to be that way, but as I got older I migrated here.
Well there are nearly three times more votes than there are replies so I am sure that number is far higher than being admitted to.Anthony Wells said:
I spend almost a year at the Steam forums so in my experience it's not a vocal minority but a vocal majority.
AS far as tech goes, the PC will (for the next few console generations) be superior to the console simply due to the ability to upgrade hardware, and hardware and software constantly being developed to make the PC perform better in all areas of graphics and computation. This is even more apparent as the "backyard filmmaker" movement continues to grow, and the demand for better performance continues to grow with it. I suspect that in the near future consoles will have similar demands and graphics and performance will even out with the PC.
As far as gamers go, there's no real difference. We all like games, we all like to play them, and we'll all continue to play them. There will be snobs wherever you go. Just ignore them.
As far as gamers go, there's no real difference. We all like games, we all like to play them, and we'll all continue to play them. There will be snobs wherever you go. Just ignore them.
This whole thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Anyways, I'm what one would call a "PC-elitist". The only console I've ever owned was a Super Nintendo me and my sister got for Christmas in....-92? But that doesn't say that I don't enjoy consoles. I play on consoles at my friends houses regularly. I like consoles, but I would never buy one. I'm a PC-gamer, and that is just my preference.
The only people in our group that are "lesser people", are the ones who are so insecure that they have to rag on other people within the same group.
Anyways, I'm what one would call a "PC-elitist". The only console I've ever owned was a Super Nintendo me and my sister got for Christmas in....-92? But that doesn't say that I don't enjoy consoles. I play on consoles at my friends houses regularly. I like consoles, but I would never buy one. I'm a PC-gamer, and that is just my preference.
The only people in our group that are "lesser people", are the ones who are so insecure that they have to rag on other people within the same group.
I consider myself a lesser gamer, because i cant play for more than 30 minutes without alt tabbing to read some forum or to chat with friends on skype, one of the main reasons why i prefer the platform. Actually who gives a shit? Every platform has fanboys, only pc fanboys are called elitists for some reason.
While I don't think that a gamer's level of gamertoud should be specified by his price or type of gaming devices. I rather think it should be on the knowledge and how much gaming affects their life. Usually PC gamer's are more knowledgeable of games and the things behind them, while console gamer's are little more basic.
It's just a given, once you invest so heavily into something you become more knowledgeable of it. and now when pc gaming is clearly technically superior they show that they care more about that also.
When I switched to pc gaming my level of gamertude for sure went up, but again the pc makes me nothing, it is what I know.
It's just a given, once you invest so heavily into something you become more knowledgeable of it. and now when pc gaming is clearly technically superior they show that they care more about that also.
When I switched to pc gaming my level of gamertude for sure went up, but again the pc makes me nothing, it is what I know.
I hate the part of our human nature that forces us to define ourselves in groups. Seriously I play on my PC, and I play on my PS2, my PS3, my friend's Xbox, my friend's Gamecube, my phone, my NES emulation site, and whatever the hell I can get my hands on to play some games!
Why do people feel to need to criticize the other platforms?
Do you know what's even worse than any one platform? Limiting yourself to just one platform.
Because I'm laughing knowing that by not limiting myself I can play any game I want and you almighty PC elitists can't play a bunch of quality games. Same goes for the stupid fanboys out there on any platform.
/rant
Why do people feel to need to criticize the other platforms?
Do you know what's even worse than any one platform? Limiting yourself to just one platform.
Because I'm laughing knowing that by not limiting myself I can play any game I want and you almighty PC elitists can't play a bunch of quality games. Same goes for the stupid fanboys out there on any platform.
/rant
They are a minority but sadly your poll does not reflect the proper amount. Many elitist consider the PC to be "better" but not necessarily that gamers are inferior. I'd argue that anyone that considers PC to be "better" is arguing base on biased criteria and that different tech is different not inferior and superior. If you think the piece of metal and circuit boards is somehow superior to some other pile of metal and circuits then I think there some elitism going on, or at least some related stupid idea.
Aside from that, they are a very vocal minority here at the Escapist and unfortunately they color the discussion since most sane people will avoid the flame war of console and PC threads.
Aside from that, they are a very vocal minority here at the Escapist and unfortunately they color the discussion since most sane people will avoid the flame war of console and PC threads.
Remember kids, everything is a competition, everything is completely polar to where no middle ground exists, and if someone is different than you, you're automatically better.
This is a forum where I've been called indecisive for being agnostic, so you can imagine what it's like to enjoy a PC and consoles.
This is a forum where I've been called indecisive for being agnostic, so you can imagine what it's like to enjoy a PC and consoles.
There are a fair few but no its as common as its made out to be tho it?s unfortunately not uncommon either. More common is just that belief that PCs can have better hardware and could potentially be pushed further than consoles which have stayed the same for years and that is true. I see console gamers bashing PC gamers just as much (tho again not the majority) and it?s just as stupid.
You get accused of being a PC elitist for everything under the fucking sun. You have a preference for PC and you?re a PC elitist. If someone is spouting absolute bullshit about the cost of PC gaming or that installing every game is a trial and you correct them then you?re PC elitist. There is a console exclusive and some PC gamers look at it and go ?hey that looks like a game I and many others would like to play on the PC. I think it would sell well and it would be a good idea to port it? and they get accused of ?bitching? and you gets stupid comments about ?PC gamers wanting everything?. I don?t know why people care about a game no longer being exclusive to their platform, does it make them feel special or something? The Witcher 2 is getting ported to the 360 and it doesn?t bother me. Some games really only work on a certain control scheme (tho honestly this is more of an issue for consoles since you can use a controller with a PC but as far as I know you can't use a keyboard and mouse on a console tho there seems to be a stigma about releasing a game on the PC that requires a controller) and that?s fine. I don?t think every game needs to be designed with multipalt in mind but if it can actually work and people want to buy it what?s the harm? Sometimes a company might think it?s not economically viable to do a port, they may be right and arn't obligated to port it but there no harm in requesting one and trying to show them that there are actually allot of people interested and it would be profitable for them .
Also saying something is a shit port is not elitism either. Some games are just badly ported and don?t work as they should. If you're paying for something you expect it work, especially if you?re paying full price for it.
You get accused of being a PC elitist for everything under the fucking sun. You have a preference for PC and you?re a PC elitist. If someone is spouting absolute bullshit about the cost of PC gaming or that installing every game is a trial and you correct them then you?re PC elitist. There is a console exclusive and some PC gamers look at it and go ?hey that looks like a game I and many others would like to play on the PC. I think it would sell well and it would be a good idea to port it? and they get accused of ?bitching? and you gets stupid comments about ?PC gamers wanting everything?. I don?t know why people care about a game no longer being exclusive to their platform, does it make them feel special or something? The Witcher 2 is getting ported to the 360 and it doesn?t bother me. Some games really only work on a certain control scheme (tho honestly this is more of an issue for consoles since you can use a controller with a PC but as far as I know you can't use a keyboard and mouse on a console tho there seems to be a stigma about releasing a game on the PC that requires a controller) and that?s fine. I don?t think every game needs to be designed with multipalt in mind but if it can actually work and people want to buy it what?s the harm? Sometimes a company might think it?s not economically viable to do a port, they may be right and arn't obligated to port it but there no harm in requesting one and trying to show them that there are actually allot of people interested and it would be profitable for them .
Also saying something is a shit port is not elitism either. Some games are just badly ported and don?t work as they should. If you're paying for something you expect it work, especially if you?re paying full price for it.
I recently upgraded to the pc platform a few months because I had the expendable income(and you will need a lot) but since I was 5 I played on the console platforms and I'm over 22 years old now. I never look down on people now because they play games on consoles because what is the point. A gamer is a gamer whether they use a keyboard and mouse or a controller, it just comes down to preference.
EDIT: I do think that the pc is far superior than any console could ever hope to be by the way.
EDIT: I do think that the pc is far superior than any console could ever hope to be by the way.
This is going to come off the wrong way but I'll say it regardless, most people who play games are ignorant to how PCs work from what I've seen. Most people I've talked to think it costs $3,000 to make a gaming PC and then they have to upgrade their video card every 2-3 weeks, and that they have to play ALL games on a keyboard and mouse.
Problem is none of this is true. But people believe it.
Here's the thing, after my 7th 360 fried itself I decided to sell the games and grab what games were on steam that I had on 360 during the sale then, get this, I plugged in one of my 360 controllers and plugged my PC into my TV with an HDMI cable. Now it's exactly like playing the xbox without it dying 3 times per week.
Point is PC gaming is exactly the God damn same as console gaming, it just depends on what you look for in your gaming device or gaming, I just happen to use my PC for art so it works out better for me.
Problem is none of this is true. But people believe it.
Here's the thing, after my 7th 360 fried itself I decided to sell the games and grab what games were on steam that I had on 360 during the sale then, get this, I plugged in one of my 360 controllers and plugged my PC into my TV with an HDMI cable. Now it's exactly like playing the xbox without it dying 3 times per week.
Point is PC gaming is exactly the God damn same as console gaming, it just depends on what you look for in your gaming device or gaming, I just happen to use my PC for art so it works out better for me.
But I also have a PS3, PS2, PSOne, PSP, GBA SP, Game Gear, Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, SNES, Wii, Gamecube+GBA adapter incase you thought I was bias
Maybe there isn't much of it on that particular thread, or even this site in general; but there is quite a bit of PC elitism all over the place. Whether or not you see it is another story.El Presidente said:
In the end, I've stopped giving a shit about your preferred gaming system.
I consider myself a PC gamer. While I do view the 360 and PS3 as inferior pieces of hardware, I do not view the gamers differently from myself. Only people who are unbelievably thick would believe that the hardware you play on dictates your value as a gamer and that the PC gaming community isn't nearly as bad as the console community in every single way.
+64 since you last posted. The thread does ask two different questions, so that probably has something to do with it. I doubt there would be so many people that would post yes otherwise.st0pnsw0p said:
Current console generation is junk.
I wouldn't, ever, use a 7 year old PC, why the fuck would I use a 7 year old console?
Ok, I use a 10 year old phone, but hey, all I want a phone for is plain text SMS and making/receiving calls.
If I were interested in having more features in my phone, I would think an iphone 2 is a piece of shit, too.
I want new consoles.
'cos even USB 2.0 is obsolete and should go the way of the dodo.
But most importantly, the only reason DVDs are still all over the place in stores, is 'cos people cling to their obsolete crap and by doing so are holding back the industry.
Blu-rays would be dirt cheap if everyone who uses DVDs switched.
If getting upset at people who hold back the march of technological progress makes me elitist, so be it.
I wouldn't, ever, use a 7 year old PC, why the fuck would I use a 7 year old console?
Ok, I use a 10 year old phone, but hey, all I want a phone for is plain text SMS and making/receiving calls.
If I were interested in having more features in my phone, I would think an iphone 2 is a piece of shit, too.
I want new consoles.
'cos even USB 2.0 is obsolete and should go the way of the dodo.
But most importantly, the only reason DVDs are still all over the place in stores, is 'cos people cling to their obsolete crap and by doing so are holding back the industry.
Blu-rays would be dirt cheap if everyone who uses DVDs switched.
If getting upset at people who hold back the march of technological progress makes me elitist, so be it.
Im sick to my back teeth of ppl who dish out the elitist card whenever PC gaming is concerned, for example the TB Dark Souls PC vid and that Elder Scrolls rant vid PC
I think way too many ppl confuse snobbery with PC gamers just wanting a quality gaming experience.
Everybody likes to wear quality clothes, What are you guys clothes elitists!
I think way too many ppl confuse snobbery with PC gamers just wanting a quality gaming experience.
Everybody likes to wear quality clothes, What are you guys clothes elitists!