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traceur_

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Sindre1 said:
Im so sick of "SEARCH BUTTON!!!1"!
As am I, the great thing about forums is that they are dynamic. If a thread has been done before no one will have anything to say, ignore it, move on and it will die in double time. By posting "use the search button" people are keeping that thread at the top, just don't do it.
Agreed, also I've noticed a drop in zombie threads, I love zombie threads, they're fun.
 

Trivun

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Ironically enough, this is a repeat thread too. However, I think that you should search at least a few pages so that if something's been done or added to in the last week or so, then don't start a new topic about the same thing. However, anything more than a week and I reckon you're good to go...
 

ryai458

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fix-the-spade said:
Well, a lot of the threads that get people screaming SEARCH BUTTON are ones that crop up with monotonous regularity.

For example, anything with X vs Y
Why is Halo/CoD/FF/Half Life/Metal Gear/whatever so highly thought of?
Is X over rated?
Favourite console/controller/game within this set parameter/brand of soft drink.

These things crop up so often that after a couple of months you should be sick of seeing them, the answers don't change and neither do the flammable fan boys they attract.
this exactly
 

Galletea

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Yes this has been done before and fairly recently.
Anyway, I think it's ok to redo topics, but not when the exact same topic has been done recently. Use the search button and then if you find something that hasn't been done in a few months then I'd say it's ok to redo it. Problem is that we tend to have three or more of the same topics on the from page of this forum on a regular basis, and it is rather irritating.
 

Chipperz

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Right, I'm gonna come out and say it. If a topic hasn't been done before, send the guy a private message and DON'T POST TO THE THREAD. If it's a rehash, let it die. The second you post in it, you are at fault for keeping it alive.

The same goes for "This is a troll thread!" "Report and move on" and "Lulz! I can see this going badly!" If you feel that way, report the poster and DO NOT REPLY.

Of course, if this is done, equally, by everyone, then the forums will soon die off as people who don't want to bring back threads that may only be a few days old (have you seen the turnaround of threads on this site!?) won't post anything new, and we all just turn up for the new movies to leave a two line comment. C'est la vie.
 

StarStruckStrumpets

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I never make a search-bar joke unless it's funny. I don't care about repeat threads, I don't know why people are so bothered, you must have seen every thread ever made if it gets on your nerves so much.
 

EeveeElectro

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If we keep doing threads that have already been done about threads already been done which have already be done, surely there will be a paradox?!
Anyway, I love how some people on here put 'use the search button' in their answers.
Like "the search button is my favourite game!"
You guys are so clever :p
 

Overlord Moo

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I hate it when people keep going use the search button. Also on vs. threads, every other post is " mods don't like vs. threads".
 

AdamAK

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Yes, the repeating threads are annoying, but people still respond to them anyway. Rather than just letting it die, people always go all "Use the search button!", "Been done before", "What a pointless thread". Talk about hipocrisy.

By the way, the search function didn't work for months in any of my browsers until now, for some reason. I couldn't even search for random topics, even though I had no intention of making a new one.
 

DragunovHUN

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revolverwolf said:
People can just necro the thread. It stops all the clutter of repeating threads over and over again.
Yeah? Go ahead and necro a thread, see what happens.
Wether you repost something or necro something, you'll get yelled at. There's no right way to go so you might aswell just ignore all the posts telling you what to do. Unless it's a moderator's post, of course.
 

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It's fine to create a new thread on a subject if the old thread is long dead. It starts being a problem when the people start posting the exact same topic within a couple minutes of each other, and the entire "what's new" section on our front page is dedicated to repeat threads.

Or when people create threads that mimic frontpage news posts. That get's annoying too, since they only had to scroll down to see that one.

What he said.
 

IrrelevantTangent

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Nothing is more annoying than people repeatedly insisting 'use the search button' over and over again in any thread that just happens to not be 100% original. If people were banned for making threads similar to a thread or threads that've been made before, we'd have no members left.

Say it once so the OP is aware, then never say it again.
 

Knight Templar

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People are only asking you make some kind of attempt to be sure the topic hasn't been done before. If you search and find nothing then thats ok, but if you can't be arsed then you can't complain. Is somebody is saying "seach button" and nothing else, they are a jerk. however if you didn't search, you are a jerk.

My personal problem is people who make a "best quote thread". Seriously? You don't need to repeat that thread, plus its was started by Purple Rain.
DragunovHUN said:
revolverwolf said:
People can just necro the thread. It stops all the clutter of repeating threads over and over again.
Yeah? Go ahead and necro a thread, see what happens.
Wether you repost something or necro something, you'll get yelled at. There's no right way to go so you might aswell just ignore all the posts telling you what to do. Unless it's a moderator's post, of course.
Nobody here will get angry at you for Necro'ing a thread, and since the guidelines tell people to use the search button a modderator has said Necro is good...

Kinda anyway, I can't find a direct quote so if I could be wrong.
Also, when (at the escapist) has somebody gorne off at you for Necro'ing?
 

The Iron Ninja

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I think what constitutes a lawful re-doing of a thread depends heavily on a number of factors regarding the thread you plan to re-do.

Seeing as I'm a showy *****, I'll illustrate what these factors are using big fancy blue headings.

[HEADING=3]1: How long ago the last thread was[/HEADING]

Let's say, just as an example, that you want to make a thread entitled "Is Operation Flashpoint 2 going to be terribly dumbed down?" Which presumably will have an opening post that follows what the title suggests the thread will be about.
Now let's say you be a good little boy and/or girl and use the almighty yet heinously flawed search button to check if such a question has already been asked.
A good ol' search reveals that there was indeed a thread, but it was two months ago.
Now, seeing as we're all incredibly flawed humans and not perfect robots. Everyone has varying levels of bitchiness about how long ago it needs to be before you can re-do a thread. But this little Ninja says that two months ago is long enough and you're well on your way to earning the right to make that re-do.

However... should it be sooner than two months. Ye had best be prepared to face the full wrath of the escapist at large.
Your best bet would be to necro it. If people complain, kick them in the teeth.

[HEADING=3]2: Did you read the last thread?[/HEADING]
Did you?
You may find, owing to the fact that it was asking the same question. That your question may in fact have been answered by this previous thread. Which saves you a bit of effort, as well as the ridicule ye will receive if ye should re-do without a second thought for the poor old thread.
In addition to this, it turns out that the old thread was posted on many a time. These posts were placed there by good old ordinary people like you and me. It's by no means not always the case, but some of the old stuff out there might well have been the result of a great effort and thought by someone else out there. By taking the time to at least skim through a bit, you're doing them a kindness, considerately giving their words one last spin through the head of a reader. Rather than just thoughtlessly dooming their work to obscurity.


[HEADING=3]3 How well you done did it[/HEADING]
Let's say the old thread asking about Operation Flashpoint 2 had the following OP.
The Following OP said:
Salutations good people of the escapist.
I trust that I find you all in good health and as distinguished individuals of sound moral standing.

My question, dear friends, concerns the upcoming sequel to Codemaster's cult hit Operation Flashpoint.
I was a big fan of the original as a young lad. The brutal but realistic difficulty of the game was what allured me to it and kept me entertained for many years to come.
I know, judging by what I have read from the minds of others, that I am not alone in my views of this game.

So imagine my horror dear escapist when I read this little quote from a mister Lindop, one of the sequel's designers, in this month's edition of my gaming magazine (the paper kind) of choice.
"Something as heavily 'sim' as the original wouldn't work across both consoles and PCs."

I spit my morning coffee out at this Lindop fellow. May he have his limbs tied to four oxen and ripped apart by their bovine strength.

I myself own a gaming console, and despite this, feel that I am in no way some kind of adrenaline fueled lemur who can't concentrate on game mechanics more complicated than "shoot them in the head and it does more damage." But it seems that the frat boy demographic has once again stolen the heart of another of my favourite developers, and I am left with the choice of either begrudgingly moving along with the wretched current or removing myself from the idea of playing the sequel at all.

Are my fears justified dear escapist?
Are they going to slaughter our beloved Operation Flashpoint to make another "John McBaddass slaughters himself some evil non-Americans" game?
As opposed to...

As opposed to said:
Read the title.
'Nuff said.
Option number two took me two seconds at most.

Option number one took about five minutes.

That said, it's not about how long it takes, it's about the thought behind it.
If you ask a half-arsed question, particularly if it's been asked in a more thoughtful fashion previously, expect to be chewed out about it.

[HEADING=3]4 What's the thread about?[/HEADING]
This is the really important one.
This is the factor that precedes all others.
You don't even need the almighty search button for this one.
Ask yourself this.
Is the thread about how the 360 Suxxorz because Micro$oft is an evil corporation?
Is it asking what everyone's favourite game is?
Is it for telling other people on the internet what your ideal sexual partner would be?
Is the thread about your religious beliefs?
Is it proclaiming that Halo 3 is gods gift to gaming?

Well, if so. Would you be so kind as to not create such a thread?
No matter how long ago the last one was.

And while you're at it, please note that as far as I'm concerned, you no longer qualify as part of the human race.

Stimulating discussion should be the thought behind your thread.
Not flame wars, pages of lists which no one else will read or answers to simple questions you could have got from google with a lot less fuss.
The search button does come into play here, check what the response was to the last thread.
If it was decidedly negative, it might be an indication of what would be to come if you remade it.

[HEADING=3]And that's it[/HEADING]

Yeah...

Knight Templar said:
Also, when (at the escapist) has somebody gorne off at you for Necro'ing?
I've done that on one or two occasions.
Entirely because what I said last year got quoted and brought into question, repeatedly.
Simply because it was at the start of the thread and people didn't read any further in, or notice the date of my post.

however, those were threads that wasn't really in need of a necro anyway.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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When you see 3 of the same in the space of a day or so. (I saw 2 in an hour yesterday) then yes, people are being stupid.

If there was one months and months ago then it's ok.
 

Davey Woo

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I think unless 5 threads with the exact same discussion/poll/question pop up in the same week, it's all good to redo a topic.
 

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Overlord Moo said:
I hate it when people keep going use the search button. Also on vs. threads, every other post is " mods don't like vs. threads".
they really dont because mine got locked i was sad after like 11 posts
 

Overlord Moo

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xxnightlawxx said:
Overlord Moo said:
I hate it when people keep going use the search button. Also on vs. threads, every other post is " mods don't like vs. threads".
they really dont because mine got locked i was sad after like 11 posts
Only one of my 4 have been locked. :)